No Re-entry

[PapaG]

As others have said this isn't something that people are going to agree on here. I get it, it's the way we do. What I do find funny is that people act like this is a god given right. I have been to a lot of sporting events across college and pro sports at a lot of different venues in my life. I can literally count on one hand (and still have fingers left over) the number that allow people to leave and re-enter the venue. Like I said, I get it it is what has always been done here but to act like keeping people in the stadium all game is this crazy thing or that you should have a right to do this has always been comical to me.

Autzen/Reser/Husky Stadium/Bobcat Stadium/WashGriz

All allow re-entry, or at least did with the last five years as I have been to games at each stadium in that span.

[ClowderUp]

Eck? That guy is Choate level at media. He would be proud of this result.
Vigen? I saw the expanded version of this pep talk. The point was to remind everyone this isn't another crappy team. Fans need to come ready to do our thing for 4 full quarters. It helps.

[Cataholic]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

What I heard Vigen say: This is a big game so get your asses back in the seats for the third quarter.

What I didn’t hear Vigen say: don’t go tailgate at halftime

What I also didn’t hear Vigen say: MSU should implement a no re-entry policy.

In fact, I don’t ever remember Vigen lobbying for a no re entry policy.

We must go to different qb club meetings.

You are right. He didn’t say don’t go tailgate. He said be back in your seats. I don’t think that I ever said Vigen wanted no re-entry.

Why does he want people back in their seats? Because it helps our home field advantage. Yet how many posters have said that it doesn’t matter whether they are back in theirs seats? Some posters even tried to compile data to say it didn’t matter how many were in their seats. All to justify their precious 10 minutes of socializing. I guess some of you understand the team way better than these coaches. Vigen even compared the post halftime start to the ICCU crowd (or lack of crowd) in Pocatello. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that the crowd environment affects the game.

How long have our teams kicked off in front of half empty stadiums after halftime? They have tried whistles, bells and sirens. I recall 20+ years ago they forced tailgates to close when the 3rd quarter started. Nothing has worked to get people back to their seats in time. Sorry man, but maybe it is time for a change. If people won’t voluntarily make an effort, what else do you do?

[wbtfg]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

What I heard Vigen say: This is a big game so get your asses back in the seats for the third quarter.

What I didn’t hear Vigen say: don’t go tailgate at halftime

What I also didn’t hear Vigen say: MSU should implement a no re-entry policy.

In fact, I don’t ever remember Vigen lobbying for a no re entry policy.

We must go to different qb club meetings.

You are right. He didn’t say don’t go tailgate. He said be back in your seats. I don’t think that I ever said Vigen wanted no re-entry.

Why does he want people back in their seats? Because it helps our home field advantage. Yet how many posters have said that it doesn’t matter whether they are back in theirs seats? Some posters even tried to compile data to say it didn’t matter how many were in their seats. All to justify their precious 10 minutes of socializing. I guess some of you understand the team way better than these coaches. Vigen even compared the post halftime start to the ICCU crowd (or lack of crowd) in Pocatello. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that the crowd environment affects the game.

How long have our teams kicked off in front of half empty stadiums after halftime? They have tried whistles, bells and sirens. I recall 20+ years ago they forced tailgates to close when the 3rd quarter started. Nothing has worked to get people back to their seats in time. Sorry man, but maybe it is time for a change. If people won’t voluntarily make an effort, what else do you do?

Didn’t we have the longest home winning streak in the nation last year?

[BelligerentBobcat]

Some of us act like we’re back in grade school.

“But he’s soooo mean to me!”

You show your true colors every time you post Seriously, who names themselves Belligerent and thinks it’s cool. Time to grow up little man!

Have you ever thought to yourself:

“Wow! I take this message board thing WAY too seriously!”?

Chill dude. None of this matters, it’s all just for entertainment.

Then why do you always comment on my posts? Strange post by you.

There’s like 20 posters here. I think I’ve responded to all of them at some point. Furthermore, you were the first one here to respond to me, am I not allowed to respond? Perhaps you should make a set of rules for me to follow to be an appropriate poster in your mind. That would be helpful.

[BelligerentBobcat]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

What I heard Vigen say: This is a big game so get your asses back in the seats for the third quarter.

What I didn’t hear Vigen say: don’t go tailgate at halftime

What I also didn’t hear Vigen say: MSU should implement a no re-entry policy.

In fact, I don’t ever remember Vigen lobbying for a no re entry policy.

We must go to different qb club meetings.

You are right. He didn’t say don’t go tailgate. He said be back in your seats. I don’t think that I ever said Vigen wanted no re-entry.

Why does he want people back in their seats? Because it helps our home field advantage. Yet how many posters have said that it doesn’t matter whether they are back in theirs seats? Some posters even tried to compile data to say it didn’t matter how many were in their seats. All to justify their precious 10 minutes of socializing. I guess some of you understand the team way better than these coaches. Vigen even compared the post halftime start to the ICCU crowd (or lack of crowd) in Pocatello. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that the crowd environment affects the game.

How long have our teams kicked off in front of half empty stadiums after halftime? They have tried whistles, bells and sirens. I recall 20+ years ago they forced tailgates to close when the 3rd quarter started. Nothing has worked to get people back to their seats in time. Sorry man, but maybe it is time for a change. If people won’t voluntarily make an effort, what else do you do?

Didn’t we have the longest home winning streak in the nation last year?

Irrelevant.

[RockyBearCat]

As others have said this isn't something that people are going to agree on here. I get it, it's the way we do. What I do find funny is that people act like this is a god given right. I have been to a lot of sporting events across college and pro sports at a lot of different venues in my life. I can literally count on one hand (and still have fingers left over) the number that allow people to leave and re-enter the venue. Like I said, I get it it is what has always been done here but to act like keeping people in the stadium all game is this crazy thing or that you should have a right to do this has always been comical to me.

On the hands counting non-re-entry, how many allowed beer at your seat. All?

[Nickisch]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

What I heard Vigen say: This is a big game so get your asses back in the seats for the third quarter.

What I didn’t hear Vigen say: don’t go tailgate at halftime

What I also didn’t hear Vigen say: MSU should implement a no re-entry policy.

In fact, I don’t ever remember Vigen lobbying for a no re entry policy.

We must go to different qb club meetings.

You are right. He didn’t say don’t go tailgate. He said be back in your seats. I don’t think that I ever said Vigen wanted no re-entry.

Why does he want people back in their seats? Because it helps our home field advantage. Yet how many posters have said that it doesn’t matter whether they are back in theirs seats? Some posters even tried to compile data to say it didn’t matter how many were in their seats. All to justify their precious 10 minutes of socializing. I guess some of you understand the team way better than these coaches. Vigen even compared the post halftime start to the ICCU crowd (or lack of crowd) in Pocatello. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that the crowd environment affects the game.

How long have our teams kicked off in front of half empty stadiums after halftime? They have tried whistles, bells and sirens. I recall 20+ years ago they forced tailgates to close when the 3rd quarter started. Nothing has worked to get people back to their seats in time. Sorry man, but maybe it is time for a change. If people won’t voluntarily make an effort, what else do you do?

Perhaps one can just accept that the fans aren't going to change, and that's an OK thing. The stats that have been pointed out are to highlight that while having a loud crowd can make a difference in terms of an opposing team being able to communicate easier, it hasn't had a noticeable impact on the outcome of games. So both can be true that having fans in the stadium makes a difference for the experience, AND that the outcome has little to do with how many fans are in the stadium. The GameDay experience is different for everyone, and always will be, and trying to force that to change is not going to make players play better or result in more wins. As for me personally, I also choose to stay in my seat and be present during the beginning of the third quarter, while accepting that many others choose not to share that experience.

[grizzh8r]

Eliminating re-entry would be the biggest mistake MSU could make, and it's not about third-quarter crowd size or alcohol consumption.

One thing you see at MSU and UM that's rare at other college football stadiums is families. Two weeks ago at ISU, I barely saw any families. Why? It's challenging to keep kids seated for 3.5 hours straight. At some point, it's not worth the effort to bring a family to watch only part of the game. Consequently, families simply don't attend.

This Saturday, notice how many young families are experiencing Bobcat football, becoming lifelong fans, and growing our fan base. Parents won't bother bringing them if they have to struggle for three hours or if they're limited to watching only the first half. Instead, they'll stay home. But because they have re-entry as an option, the kids can go run around and burn some energy before they go back into the game.

I'm proud to say my kids (17,13) have never missed a game, but this is only possible because we have re-entry when they were young.

I expect that MSU will attempt to justify closing the stadium to re-entry at some point, and I can only hope that our fan base fights back.

As a side note: I saw more drunk obnoxious fans at the ISU game(some were MSU fans) than I have at any of our games, and you can buy and bring beer into the stands at ISU. So people just sit and get hammered.

Thanks for posting this. As a dad of two young boys - a 9yo who has only just recently become capable of sitting thought an entire game and a neuro-divergent 6yo who loves football but just doesn't have the attention span to last a whole game - I fully agree

Oh, and I agree with the poster that stated the below..

[77matman]

Wait. Wait.

The solution is simple. Make halftime 20 minutes.

[Cataholic]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

What I heard Vigen say: This is a big game so get your asses back in the seats for the third quarter.

What I didn’t hear Vigen say: don’t go tailgate at halftime

What I also didn’t hear Vigen say: MSU should implement a no re-entry policy.

In fact, I don’t ever remember Vigen lobbying for a no re entry policy.

We must go to different qb club meetings.

You are right. He didn’t say don’t go tailgate. He said be back in your seats. I don’t think that I ever said Vigen wanted no re-entry.

Why does he want people back in their seats? Because it helps our home field advantage. Yet how many posters have said that it doesn’t matter whether they are back in theirs seats? Some posters even tried to compile data to say it didn’t matter how many were in their seats. All to justify their precious 10 minutes of socializing. I guess some of you understand the team way better than these coaches. Vigen even compared the post halftime start to the ICCU crowd (or lack of crowd) in Pocatello. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that the crowd environment affects the game.

How long have our teams kicked off in front of half empty stadiums after halftime? They have tried whistles, bells and sirens. I recall 20+ years ago they forced tailgates to close when the 3rd quarter started. Nothing has worked to get people back to their seats in time. Sorry man, but maybe it is time for a change. If people won’t voluntarily make an effort, what else do you do?

Perhaps one can just accept that the fans aren't going to change, and that's an OK thing. The stats that have been pointed out are to highlight that while having a loud crowd can make a difference in terms of an opposing team being able to communicate easier, it hasn't had a noticeable impact on the outcome of games. So both can be true that having fans in the stadium makes a difference for the experience, AND that the outcome has little to do with how many fans are in the stadium. The GameDay experience is different for everyone, and always will be, and trying to force that to change is not going to make players play better or result in more wins. As for me personally, I also choose to stay in my seat and be present during the beginning of the third quarter, while accepting that many others choose not to share that experience.

This is a good post. I would ask though why you give some anonymous Internet posters the same level of credibility as the head coaches when it comes to the impact on the game? Dont you think the coaches have a better understanding of how it impacts the game? Otherwise, why would Vigen be asking everyone to be back in their seats?

[Cataholic]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

What I heard Vigen say: This is a big game so get your asses back in the seats for the third quarter.

What I didn’t hear Vigen say: don’t go tailgate at halftime

What I also didn’t hear Vigen say: MSU should implement a no re-entry policy.

In fact, I don’t ever remember Vigen lobbying for a no re entry policy.

We must go to different qb club meetings.

You are right. He didn’t say don’t go tailgate. He said be back in your seats. I don’t think that I ever said Vigen wanted no re-entry.

Why does he want people back in their seats? Because it helps our home field advantage. Yet how many posters have said that it doesn’t matter whether they are back in theirs seats? Some posters even tried to compile data to say it didn’t matter how many were in their seats. All to justify their precious 10 minutes of socializing. I guess some of you understand the team way better than these coaches. Vigen even compared the post halftime start to the ICCU crowd (or lack of crowd) in Pocatello. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that the crowd environment affects the game.

How long have our teams kicked off in front of half empty stadiums after halftime? They have tried whistles, bells and sirens. I recall 20+ years ago they forced tailgates to close when the 3rd quarter started. Nothing has worked to get people back to their seats in time. Sorry man, but maybe it is time for a change. If people won’t voluntarily make an effort, what else do you do?

Didn’t we have the longest home winning streak in the nation last year?

Yes. We have a great crowd. Great teams as well. I am sure we won some games because we have 22,000 people in the stands. So do you think the crowd’s impact is the same with 8,000 fans in their seats or 22,000 fans in their seats? And why do you think Vigen asked everyone to be back in their seats? Maybe because it helps out our team?

[Cataholic]

Some of us act like we’re back in grade school.

“But he’s soooo mean to me!”

You show your true colors every time you post Seriously, who names themselves Belligerent and thinks it’s cool. Time to grow up little man!

Have you ever thought to yourself:

“Wow! I take this message board thing WAY too seriously!”?

Chill dude. None of this matters, it’s all just for entertainment.

Then why do you always comment on my posts? Strange post by you.

There’s like 20 posters here. I think I’ve responded to all of them at some point. Furthermore, you were the first one here to respond to me, am I not allowed to respond? Perhaps you should make a set of rules for me to follow to be an appropriate poster in your mind. That would be helpful.

I guess you could have meant that post for a bunch of people as you were calling everyone childish. That is your regular MO. Since you asked, I could write up a set of rules for you to follow. Maybe it will help you transform from being Belligerent to a new username: “justadickpartofthetime”.

[utucats]

At some point we all need to grow up enough to understand that we can’t control other people’s actions. A few posters on here want to lock people in and force them to act the way that they deem appropriate. Our OP keeps mentioning that 10 minutes of beer time with friends is a cheap sacrifice. Well maybe his beer is flat and his friends are lame. My ten minutes is worth the hike. I enjoy getting up and moving around at half. I’ll do it cause I can and don’t care what anyone, including Eck and Vigen, think about it.

[allcat]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

[bobcatfan15]

Wait. Wait.

The solution is simple. Make halftime 20 minutes.

+1

[The Butcher]

Like I said before, it is no reentry every place else - even places they spend more money than us on tickets and travel. I didn’t realize a 10 minute social break was such an important component of the “fan experience”. And let’s quit spending money on stadium improvements because we already have a “considerable home field advantage”. What a dumb position.

easy there bud. no need to tell people they are dumb or that their perspective is dumb just because it doesn't align with yours. let's be respectful to our fellow MSU Alumni/Fans

Time fair that type of comment has been made by both sides of this argument

And quite honestly, Vigo has not been the most respectful poster in various conversations over the years. I have no problem returning the treatment to him. And wbtfg also doesn’t like me.

Silly @Cataholic ... don't you know by now that you are not allowed to have a different opinion ( and voice it) than the masses on here. If you do, you see what happens.

I still agree and support your opinion!

Is this a real statement? You are both being gatekeepers on how to best be a fan. You are right, everyone can have their own opinion, and clearly all of us do. Let people have that opinion, even if you don't like it. That's life. The fact is there will be people that don't get back right away after half, and there will be people who don't usually make it back that do because of the opponent. Re-entry is a thing, and it's not going away any time soon. Being angry about those that don't make it back isn't going to do anything, and it's a waste of your time.

PLEASE FOCUS ON THIS SIMPLE FACT. COACH ASKED EVERYONE TO BE BACK IN THEIR SEATS FOR KICKOFF. You are so worried about being dissed that you fail to see the whole point of the discussion. Get over yourself.

I feel its an important game against a top BSC team so I will be there for the second half kickoff. But I fully intend to exit the stadium at halftime and drink a beer and RE-ENTER the stadium.

(unless we are up by 20+ points and/or MSU gets the ball first in the second half, then I might be a few minutes late)

That makes you a non-fan. You are disallowed to root for the Bobcats any long!

Don't talk to me next time you need an extra ticket for a game then

Damn it! I take it back, so about those tickets...

[ilovethecats]

Not going to make a difference. Place is going to be rocking. People make more of an effort getting back in time for the big games. It still won't be every single person which will irk some. And it won't be because of beer at the tailgates. Some will be getting food. Others will be in mile long bathroom lines. some will be herding their kids. But it won't matter. The fans that make it back in time will be loud. The atmosphere will be great.

[wbtfg]

Not going to make a difference. Place is going to be rocking. People make more of an effort getting back in time for the big games. It still won't be every single person which will irk some. And it won't be because of beer at the tailgates. Some will be getting food. Others will be in mile long bathroom lines. some will be herding their kids. But it won't matter. The fans that make it back in time will be loud. The atmosphere will be great.

Exactly!

[ilovethecats]

Not going to make a difference. Place is going to be rocking. People make more of an effort getting back in time for the big games. It still won't be every single person which will irk some. And it won't be because of beer at the tailgates. Some will be getting food. Others will be in mile long bathroom lines. some will be herding their kids. But it won't matter. The fans that make it back in time will be loud. The atmosphere will be great.

Exactly!

And one only needs to look at playoff attendance to show this. I'm sure Vigen really wants every playoff game to be a sellout. He might even send an email telling the fanbase to please sellout the stadium. Every coach in the country prefers a sellout over a non-sellout. But it's not going to happen. Especially the first one. And people here can scream from the mountains to sell it out, and it won't be a sellout. But you know what it will be? A very loud and very hostile place for the visiting team. Anyone who has ever been to a playoff game should know that butts in seats doesn't translate to more noise and energy.

I'd take 14,000 standing screaming fans all day every day while we wait for the others to make it back to their seats. They're not all gonna be standers and screamers anyway....