No Re-entry

[The Butcher]

People pay a lot of money at other stadiums as well. Why do you think MSU fans have the “right” for re-entry when it is not the industry norm?

I don't believe I said they have a right to re-entry; it's just the current rule. My opinion is that it should remain the rule to maintain a great fan experience for people who shell out tons of money to support the team and enjoy the product. Worsening the fan experience in an effort to enhance an already considerable homefield advantage is the tail wagging the dog.

Like I said before, it is no reentry every place else - even places they spend more money than us on tickets and travel. I didn’t realize a 10 minute social break was such an important component of the “fan experience”. And let’s quit spending money on stadium improvements because we already have a “considerable home field advantage”. What a dumb position.

easy there bud. no need to tell people they are dumb or that their perspective is dumb just because it doesn't align with yours. let's be respectful to our fellow MSU Alumni/Fans

Time fair that type of comment has been made by both sides of this argument

And quite honestly, Vigo has not been the most respectful poster in various conversations over the years. I have no problem returning the treatment to him. And wbtfg also doesn’t like me.

Silly @Cataholic ... don't you know by now that you are not allowed to have a different opinion ( and voice it) than the masses on here. If you do, you see what happens.

I still agree and support your opinion!

Is this a real statement? You are both being gatekeepers on how to best be a fan. You are right, everyone can have their own opinion, and clearly all of us do. Let people have that opinion, even if you don't like it. That's life. The fact is there will be people that don't get back right away after half, and there will be people who don't usually make it back that do because of the opponent. Re-entry is a thing, and it's not going away any time soon. Being angry about those that don't make it back isn't going to do anything, and it's a waste of your time.

PLEASE FOCUS ON THIS SIMPLE FACT. COACH ASKED EVERYONE TO BE BACK IN THEIR SEATS FOR KICKOFF. You are so worried about being dissed that you fail to see the whole point of the discussion. Get over yourself.

I feel its an important game against a top BSC team so I will be there for the second half kickoff. But I fully intend to exit the stadium at halftime and drink a beer and RE-ENTER the stadium.

(unless we are up by 20+ points and/or MSU gets the ball first in the second half, then I might be a few minutes late)

That makes you a non-fan. You are disallowed to root for the Bobcats any long!

[AFCAT]

Me watching this thread without having an opinion on the subject.

[cats2506]

I don't believe I said they have a right to re-entry; it's just the current rule. My opinion is that it should remain the rule to maintain a great fan experience for people who shell out tons of money to support the team and enjoy the product. Worsening the fan experience in an effort to enhance an already considerable homefield advantage is the tail wagging the dog.

Like I said before, it is no reentry every place else - even places they spend more money than us on tickets and travel. I didn’t realize a 10 minute social break was such an important component of the “fan experience”. And let’s quit spending money on stadium improvements because we already have a “considerable home field advantage”. What a dumb position.

easy there bud. no need to tell people they are dumb or that their perspective is dumb just because it doesn't align with yours. let's be respectful to our fellow MSU Alumni/Fans

Time fair that type of comment has been made by both sides of this argument

And quite honestly, Vigo has not been the most respectful poster in various conversations over the years. I have no problem returning the treatment to him. And wbtfg also doesn’t like me.

Silly @Cataholic ... don't you know by now that you are not allowed to have a different opinion ( and voice it) than the masses on here. If you do, you see what happens.

I still agree and support your opinion!

Is this a real statement? You are both being gatekeepers on how to best be a fan. You are right, everyone can have their own opinion, and clearly all of us do. Let people have that opinion, even if you don't like it. That's life. The fact is there will be people that don't get back right away after half, and there will be people who don't usually make it back that do because of the opponent. Re-entry is a thing, and it's not going away any time soon. Being angry about those that don't make it back isn't going to do anything, and it's a waste of your time.

PLEASE FOCUS ON THIS SIMPLE FACT. COACH ASKED EVERYONE TO BE BACK IN THEIR SEATS FOR KICKOFF. You are so worried about being dissed that you fail to see the whole point of the discussion. Get over yourself.

I feel its an important game against a top BSC team so I will be there for the second half kickoff. But I fully intend to exit the stadium at halftime and drink a beer and RE-ENTER the stadium.

(unless we are up by 20+ points and/or MSU gets the ball first in the second half, then I might be a few minutes late)

That makes you a non-fan. You are disallowed to root for the Bobcats any long!

Don't talk to me next time you need an extra ticket for a game then

[tetoncat]

It's interesting how some people get bothered when fans head to their tailgate at halftime. I don't quite understand why it matters to those who choose to stay. It's a strange thing to be concerned about.

Seems to me the conversation started as coaches saying the full stadium has an impact. There have been valid points made that most stadiums dont allow, valid points that the extra 15 minutes probably dont make or break a tailgating experience, also valid points that current stadium has some deficiencies, current rules allow etc. It really is okay to discuss things with different views. Doesn't make posters whiney, bothered, concerned, or telling others what to do.

It does seem like there are probably some who demand to be able to do what they want, but also complained about how tickets are distributed, spot is to small, had to change locations, can't get a parking tag, bleachers suck, scoreboard isn't layed out well, etc.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Some of us act like we’re back in grade school.

“But he’s soooo mean to me!”

You show your true colors every time you post Seriously, who names themselves Belligerent and thinks it’s cool. Time to grow up little man!

Have you ever thought to yourself:

“Wow! I take this message board thing WAY too seriously!”?

Chill dude. None of this matters, it’s all just for entertainment.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I think the majority of fans will be back for the start of the 3rd quarter for this game. For example, it never seems to be as big of a problem for the Cat-Griz game.

I think taking away re-entry would likely be a mistake. Again, the games, the socializing, all of this is for our entertainment. Within reason, people should be able to fan how they want. Some fans complain a lot, some fans are positive about everything and shut down any negativity, some fans are loud, some want to watch in silence. Do whatever you like, but I think the university restricting the tailgating would be a mistake. People will show up for the big games. They always do.

[Prodigal Cat]

Me watching this thread without having an opinion on the subject.

No kidding. I see both sides so whatever but dang people we have the biggest game so far this season on Saturday and you're arguing about re-entry.

[LynxRufus]

What on earth are we doing here?

Below are total scores by quarter under Vigen at home. I left out the non-conference games so it's only for 13 conference games and 5 playoffs games. An 18-1 record for what it's worth. I don't know how else to tell you this has about as big of an impact on the game as the color of Cataholic's socks on gameday. If it ain't broke, don't let Eck tell you to fix it. Can't wait to see everyone's heads explode Saturday night when UI wins the toss and takes the ball first.

..... Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
MSU 66 93 66 77
OPP 181 255 180 119

[damnyoutuesday]

What on earth are we doing here?

Below are total scores by quarter under Vigen at home. I left out the non-conference games so it's only for 13 conference games and 5 playoffs games. An 18-1 record for what it's worth. I don't know how else to tell you this has about as big of an impact on the game as the color of Cataholic's socks on gameday. If it ain't broke, don't let Eck tell you to fix it. Can't wait to see everyone's heads explode Saturday night when UI wins the toss and takes the ball first.

..... Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
OPP 66 93 66 77
MSU 181 255 180 119

FTFY

[Cataholic]

What on earth are we doing here?

Below are total scores by quarter under Vigen at home. I left out the non-conference games so it's only for 13 conference games and 5 playoffs games. An 18-1 record for what it's worth. I don't know how else to tell you this has about as big of an impact on the game as the color of Cataholic's socks on gameday. If it ain't broke, don't let Eck tell you to fix it. Can't wait to see everyone's heads explode Saturday night when UI wins the toss and takes the ball first.

..... Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
MSU 66 93 66 77
OPP 181 255 180 119

You forgot Vigen put out the message this week. I guess his thoughts don’t matter.

[Cataholic]

Some of us act like we’re back in grade school.

“But he’s soooo mean to me!”

You show your true colors every time you post Seriously, who names themselves Belligerent and thinks it’s cool. Time to grow up little man!

Have you ever thought to yourself:

“Wow! I take this message board thing WAY too seriously!”?

Chill dude. None of this matters, it’s all just for entertainment.

Then why do you always comment on my posts? Strange post by you.

[Cataholic]

People pay a lot of money at other stadiums as well. Why do you think MSU fans have the “right” for re-entry when it is not the industry norm?

I don't believe I said they have a right to re-entry; it's just the current rule. My opinion is that it should remain the rule to maintain a great fan experience for people who shell out tons of money to support the team and enjoy the product. Worsening the fan experience in an effort to enhance an already considerable homefield advantage is the tail wagging the dog.

Like I said before, it is no reentry every place else - even places they spend more money than us on tickets and travel. I didn’t realize a 10 minute social break was such an important component of the “fan experience”. And let’s quit spending money on stadium improvements because we already have a “considerable home field advantage”. What a dumb position.

easy there bud. no need to tell people they are dumb or that their perspective is dumb just because it doesn't align with yours. let's be respectful to our fellow MSU Alumni/Fans

Time fair that type of comment has been made by both sides of this argument

And quite honestly, Vigo has not been the most respectful poster in various conversations over the years. I have no problem returning the treatment to him. And wbtfg also doesn’t like me.

Silly @Cataholic ... don't you know by now that you are not allowed to have a different opinion ( and voice it) than the masses on here. If you do, you see what happens.

I still agree and support your opinion!

Is this a real statement? You are both being gatekeepers on how to best be a fan. You are right, everyone can have their own opinion, and clearly all of us do. Let people have that opinion, even if you don't like it. That's life. The fact is there will be people that don't get back right away after half, and there will be people who don't usually make it back that do because of the opponent. Re-entry is a thing, and it's not going away any time soon. Being angry about those that don't make it back isn't going to do anything, and it's a waste of your time.

PLEASE FOCUS ON THIS SIMPLE FACT. COACH ASKED EVERYONE TO BE BACK IN THEIR SEATS FOR KICKOFF. You are so worried about being dissed that you fail to see the whole point of the discussion. Get over yourself.

I totally understand the point, you seem to have lost it. You made the original post saying a change needed to be made because it affects the game. Many have agreed, some have disagreed. Fact - it is what it is and isn't going to change. Fact - You and another poster are questioning people's fandom because some don't get back in the gate in time for Q3. That's ridiculous, you are not the fandom police (even if you think you are). Football games aren't only about football for everyone. The fact Vigen asked everyone to get back in doesn't make anyone's opinions on the matter right or wrong. I never leave my seat, and would love if all 22K were back at the beginning of Q3, but don't see the need to change the policy.

I know it won't happen, but you really should reflect on your posts here. You often have discussions like a child and refuse to accept other people have different opinions and viewpoints - see the bolded above, but act like others are the problem. Mirrors are good tools for self-reflection.

What? I actually started the thread, yet I am the one who lost the focus? I have continuously tried to steer it back to the key point: “the coaches have stated how it impacts the game”. Hence, the reason for the CAPS above. I am not questioning your fandom. I have an opinion which I am entitled to. It has been consistent. Coach Vigen has asked us to be in our seats. I think it is a small ask. And it boggles my mind that 10 minutes of socializing is such a big sacrifice to some people.

And talk about acting like a child. Look at where you interjected yourself. Another poster said they agree with my opinion. You interject to call us the fan police. Maybe you need to take a look in the mirror. And once focus on the issue at hand. When our coaches said we need an indoor facility for cold weather practice, we got it done. Now coach asks to be in your seat by kickoff and many act like he is taking away your birthday.

[LynxRufus]

What on earth are we doing here?

Below are total scores by quarter under Vigen at home. I left out the non-conference games so it's only for 13 conference games and 5 playoffs games. An 18-1 record for what it's worth. I don't know how else to tell you this has about as big of an impact on the game as the color of Cataholic's socks on gameday. If it ain't broke, don't let Eck tell you to fix it. Can't wait to see everyone's heads explode Saturday night when UI wins the toss and takes the ball first.

..... Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4
OPP 66 93 66 77
MSU 181 255 180 119

FTFY

Thanks, I had the overall record wrong too (should be 17-1) but I'm new to this message board squabbling. Think I'll slip back into the shadows, or maybe run out and grab a beer.

[damnyoutuesday]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

[Cataholic]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

[damnyoutuesday]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

Yeah, in response to what Eck said, and Eck was blowing smoke up our ass. If it was such a problem, we would've heard about it years ago when we didn't have a coach and team that's dominated at home over a 4 season span

[Cataholic]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

Yeah, in response to what Eck said, and Eck was blowing smoke up our ass. If it was such a problem, we would've heard about it years ago when we didn't have a coach and team that's dominated at home over a 4 season span

It has been talked about for years Where have you been? And competitive advantage would Eck have in saying something. If anything, it hurts him.

[wbtfg]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Did you hear Vigen? He said the same thing.

What I heard Vigen say: This is a big game so get your asses back in the seats for the third quarter.

What I didn’t hear Vigen say: don’t go tailgate at halftime

What I also didn’t hear Vigen say: MSU should implement a no re-entry policy.

In fact, I don’t ever remember Vigen lobbying for a no re entry policy.

We must go to different qb club meetings.

[tetoncat]

I think the majority of fans will be back for the start of the 3rd quarter for this game. For example, it never seems to be as big of a problem for the Cat-Griz game.

I think taking away re-entry would likely be a mistake. Again, the games, the socializing, all of this is for our entertainment. Within reason, people should be able to fan how they want. Some fans complain a lot, some fans are positive about everything and shut down any negativity, some fans are loud, some want to watch in silence. Do whatever you like, but I think the university restricting the tailgating would be a mistake. People will show up for the big games. They always do.

Why would not allowing reentry restrict tailgating. That is the one argument I don't understand. Several hours before and some time after to do it. By time you walk out and back, hit the outhouse, grab a beer not much more than 15 minutes of other time if you want back in by mid 3rd qtr. If they allow an extra hour after games would that change your opinion.

[PapaG]

If teams were scoring more in the 3Q than any other quarter of the game, you'd have a point. But our box scores from the past 3 years say otherwise.

2024: https://msubobcats.com/sports/football/schedule/2024
2023: https://msubobcats.com/sports/football/schedule/2023
2022: https://msubobcats.com/sports/football/schedule/2022

Most of the scoring incidences happen either in blowouts, or after MSU had already scored in the 3Q. It does not matter, now let us drink and socialize in peace.

Long live re-entry

Agreed, and I say this as a fan who never leaves the stadium from kickoff until the final whistle no matter how lopsided the score. It simply doesn't matter. Enjoy the game how you want and mind your own business about how others enjoy it. What's next, fan police roving through the crowd chastising fans who don't make noise on defensive third downs or clap along with the fight song after a touchdown?

I don’t leave anymore either but don’t mind if others do. Last year’s playoff game against NDSU had TDs by both teams in the first minute of the 3rd quarter. My payoff was getting to see those scores but I don’t care at all what other people do at halftime. It’s their ticket and also their game experience.