Housewright cited for aggravated DUI

[allcat]

This could easily be the beginning of the end for Vigen. Thats just the world we live in.

I mean this isn't exactly Penn State. Its college assistance coaches at the FCS level getting cited for DUIs. Is it bad? Yes. Should Vigen hold his coaches to a higher standard by making them suffer the consequences? Yes. Should Vigen be let go? No.

With Garza’s most recent DUI I was shocked when he wasn’t let go immediately but understood the legal process needed to play out. In my opinion he should have been let go by the University immediately once the legal end was finalized (if it has been). I’ve truly enjoyed Housewright and what he’s brought to MSU football the past few years. He made a mistake, a stupid one, and we’ve all made them and moved on. But, two coaches with DUI’s in 6 months? It’s absolutely unacceptable for this to be swept under the rug and I truly hope that Coach Vigen addresses this publicly somehow. The players and fans deserve that in my opinion.I’m as big of an MSU football fan and supporter as you’ll meet, but what kind of message is being sent here?!? Seriously, say what you want, but I put this at Vigens feet. These actions may not be his doing, but they could definitely be his un-doing! Vigen is ultimately responsible for setting the tone of the football program, how he approaches this situation could ultimately break him. The optics on this are terrible for MSU and the scrutiny that will be closely following is going to be deserved.

Do all public employees deserve to lose their job for a DUI. Professors, the custodian staff, etc. My guess is they have to treat these coaches the same as they would others on campus. They are more in the public eye, but still under a contract.

Of course not. And they shouldn't. but they arent the public face of the university...they dont make the crazy high salaries that an OC makes, and they weren't driving an MSU issued vehicle.

No way an addict professor should get fired for this. No way Garza or House should be on the sidelines next fall.

"Crazy high salaries". Maybe at FBS schools but certainly not at the FCS level.

Relative to professors, custodians, support staff at MSU. MSU is known for how poorly it pays most staff. I dont recall exactly how much Housewright makes, but I'm reasonably sure its 20-30x what MSU pays adjuncts. At the salty old age of 33.

I would bet against that.

Adjucts make $1500 (give or take) per class. x2-3 classes per term, with 0 benefits. So, yeah, House with bonuses & benefits package is easily 20x.

You are comparing a very part time with a full time position. That's really just trying to cherry pick your stats. Complete apples and Oranges.

[TomCat88]

If you hire people who have had DUI then should you fire someone when they get one? By hiring someone with a prior DUI are you’re saying it’s okay to get one?

It’s worth noting that over 90% of the coaches at any BSC school will be gone in 5 years or less.

What’s the penalty for a first time DUI in Montana?

[blueandgoldblitz]

If you hire people who have had DUI then should you fire someone when they get one? By hiring someone with a prior DUI are you’re saying it’s okay to get one?

It’s worth noting that over 90% of the coaches at any BSC school will be gone in 5 years or less.

What’s the penalty for a first time DUI in Montana?

For a first time DUI charge in the State of Montana, if you have a decent lawyer, I've known more than a couple of people that didn't blow the breathalyzer and were able to plead down to reckless driving with a conditional sentence. Does that mean everyone gets that deal? Probably not. Does this apply to aggravated DUI and all the other alleged things in this case? I have no idea but I wouldn't think so

[justafan]

If you hire people who have had DUI then should you fire someone when they get one? By hiring someone with a prior DUI are you’re saying it’s okay to get one?

It’s worth noting that over 90% of the coaches at any BSC school will be gone in 5 years or less.

What’s the penalty for a first time DUI in Montana?

basically 24 hours in the can and 600-1000 fine and loss of D/L for 6 months but perhaps the biggest penalty is your insurance rate will go through the roof. the insurance thing has to come into play if a person is using a company car. I am pretty sure the MUS is self insured so not sure how that works.

[Cat Grad]

If you hire people who have had DUI then should you fire someone when they get one? By hiring someone with a prior DUI are you’re saying it’s okay to get one?

It’s worth noting that over 90% of the coaches at any BSC school will be gone in 5 years or less.

What’s the penalty for a first time DUI in Montana?

I'm going to share this as I've stated before in this thread, this particular patrolman seems to have a rather dubious history as he let the Kardashian woman and the anchor for Fox News go without issuing a warning when they slid into the ditch on the way to and from Big Sky. I understand they were all called to the airport when Ted Cruz was acting like Ted Cruz because the stupid bastard missed his flight. Any of those three anywhere else would have spent the night in jail, especially the news anchor who could not even stand upright. They watch for MSU vehicles and employees just like your town cop has a hard on against certain high school kids, usually the ones on the varsity...

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears ... ng-montana

90-95 at night and he only got a warning?

[TomCat88]

If you hire people who have had DUI then should you fire someone when they get one? By hiring someone with a prior DUI are you’re saying it’s okay to get one?

It’s worth noting that over 90% of the coaches at any BSC school will be gone in 5 years or less.

What’s the penalty for a first time DUI in Montana?

basically 24 hours in the can and 600-1000 fine and loss of D/L for 6 months but perhaps the biggest penalty is your insurance rate will go through the roof. the insurance thing has to come into play if a person is using a company car. I am pretty sure the MUS is self insured so not sure how that works.

Yeah, I think the insurance increase is probably the biggest penalty next to losing your job if that were to happen. Fortunately no one got hurt.

[ThoughtUKnew14]

We have all made mistakes and from what I know, this is his first.

Hopefully he’ll learn from his mistake and grow as a coach and mentor.

Furthermore, I’d assume we almost have to keep Houseright after the Garza outcome. If not, i’d imagine litigation would be forthcoming.

[utucats]

This thread it a ****** show.

Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.

I bet nobody on this thread has crashed an MSU issued vehicle & left the scene.

You are right, we are all far superior human beings.

[utucats]

This thread it a ****** show.

Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.

I don’t think anyone is saying he’s a bad person, though I’m not a huge fan of his ever since the 2021 presser after getting smoke by the griz. The dude crashed a vehicle tied to the school, while presumably intoxicated, and fled the scene. He can still be a decent guy that made a mistake AND deserve to be fired. That also has nothing to do whether or not any of us have gotten away with making similar bad judgment calls.

I never said he didn’t deserve to be fired. Mistakes have consequences but a few on here are saying ludicrous things about Vigen condoning this sort of stuff and MSU culture. That is a ridiculous take.

[BLACKnBLUEnGOLD]

This thread it a ****** show.

Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.

I bet nobody on this thread has crashed an MSU issued vehicle & left the scene.

You are right, we are all far superior human beings.

Frankly I would say that bet is risky as hell. There are a lot of MSU alums in this thread, and I'm positive that I'm not the only one who got drunk and did dumb ******. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody here took a joyride in a maintenance golf cart or something, and ended up in a ditch. There was a time when that kind of thing was laughed off.

[Cat Grad]

This thread it a ****** show.

Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.

I bet nobody on this thread has crashed an MSU issued vehicle & left the scene.

You are right, we are all far superior human beings.

Frankly I would say that bet is risky as hell. There are a lot of MSU alums in this thread, and I'm positive that I'm not the only one who got drunk and did dumb ******. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody here took a joyride in a maintenance golf cart or something, and ended up in a ditch. There was a time when that kind of thing was laughed off.

Did you partake in any panty raids? That would probably be frowned upon these days...

And how badly did you damage the golf cart?

[BLACKnBLUEnGOLD]

This thread it a ****** show.

Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.

I bet nobody on this thread has crashed an MSU issued vehicle & left the scene.

You are right, we are all far superior human beings.

Frankly I would say that bet is risky as hell. There are a lot of MSU alums in this thread, and I'm positive that I'm not the only one who got drunk and did dumb ******. I wouldn't be shocked if somebody here took a joyride in a maintenance golf cart or something, and ended up in a ditch. There was a time when that kind of thing was laughed off.

Did you partake in any panty raids? That would probably be frowned upon these days...

And how badly did you damage the golf cart?

Yes to the first part, no to the second.

I did crash a motorcycle that belonged to a university in Indonesia, but that was a skill issue.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Sounds like Sam Mix was involved and charged with multiple things as well. Things are going stellar.

[CelticCat]

Fan freaking tastic.

[CNC_Cat]

Ugg. This spring of doom continues . . . Other than Duncan Hamilton has anything gone well for the Cats since March Madness?!

[Hawks86]

A Montana Highway Patrol trooper charged Mix, MSU’s running backs coach, for obstructing a peace officer or other public servant and for driving a motor vehicle while privilege to do so is suspended or revoked at 11:52 p.m. May 5.

Housewright was charged with a DUI and two other violations at 12:28 a.m. May 6 at the roads of South Cottonwood and Patterson, the same location as Mix’s alleged incident. The vehicle in Mix’s charging documents is a 2021 black Ford Expedition, which matches the description of Housewright’s “courtesy car,” as MSU described it, mentioned in his charging documents.

In addition to the DUI, Housewright was cited for leaving the scene of an accident and failing to give notice of an accident. The MHP trooper — the same one who cited Mix — wrote in his report that Housewright crashed, left the scene and drove a different vehicle to the trooper’s traffic stop while a “friend drove crashed vehicle.”

The trooper’s description of Mix’s obstruction charge says Mix “drove a vehicle being flat towed away from crash scene” and “lied about being the driver of the vehicle during the crash.”

The documents note that Mix had a driving “status suspended out of Washington” but don’t say why Mix’s driving privilege was suspended or revoked. His driving license, also from Washington state, expires on Jan. 4, 2024, per the documents. Mix is from Sammamish, Washington.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... 36524.html

[CodyCat]

Unpopular opinion, Vigens seat is getting very hot (or should be). This is a huge embarrassment to MSU. It’s starting to look like this is an acceptable culture in Bobcat Football.

[MSU01]

Unpopular opinion, Vigens seat is getting very hot (or should be). This is a huge embarrassment to MSU. It’s starting to look like this is an acceptable culture in Bobcat Football.

It's pretty obvious to me from his statement in the most recent article that whether you agree with it or hate it, how this is being handled is not Vigen's call. How the university responds to the court cases if there are guilty verdicts will tell me all I need to know about whether there's a culture problem or if these were isolated incidents with the people involved rightly terminated if found guilty.

[Andy]

This is about as ugly as a patch of Montana thistles.

[nanacat]

I'm sorry but this is getting ridiculous! This is reflecting so poorly on the football program and school in general. It's not fair to the team to have this mess tainting the reputation of the program. Vigen needs to tighten things up. I feel like not firing Garza was a mistake and now the snowball is building into an avalanche. I get the legalities and letting the process play out but there is a football season starting relatively soon and this program needs to get its poop in a group now! If we wait too long and coaches get dismissed or resign too close to the fall a very promising season could be squashed. But more important than all that is what the kids are learning, watching, seeing happen. Yup everyone is human and people screw up every day, but when you're a leader with young people looking up to you to be an example, a mentor, etc., you better strive to be above reproach. If that means avoiding environments or activities that could get you in trouble then so be it. Reputation, respect, "riding for the brand" better be a bigger priority than what is being presented currently.