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I feel like the little third grader tattling on their friends with this post, but after our QB Club meeting where we met the coaches, I had some concerns with one of the coaches having four beers and no meal and then driving a pretty long distance back to Bozeman. I know these are grown men and need to be responsible for their decisions, but it is becoming clear that there needs to be some higher standards or protocals for their drinking habbits. We run a pretty classy program, but this is one of black eye areas.
4 beers? After 4 bears I would probably be at .0004. Maybe his were those 12% craft beers.
Have you ever been tested after four beers (or bears, as you wrote) on an empty stomach? You may be surprised.
Exactly. You’re definitely getting a DUI after four beers.
Time frame matters. 4 beers in an hour or 4 in 4 hours
Very good point!
All of this is pointless argument. If you're going to drink ANYTHING, don't drive. It's really that simple. As the ads say "buzzed driving is drunk driving".
Then let's close down tailgating and beer sales at the BB games. It's as simple as that.
Yes, because everyone goes to games alone... Someone can ALWAYS be the nominated DD. And for the very small percentage that do, plan for it. It's called being a responsible human being. There is no excuse, PERIOD.
Eric Curry STILL makes me sad.
94VegasCat wrote:Are you for real? That is just a plain ol dumb paragraph! You just nailed every note in the Full Reetard sing-a-long choir!!!
I feel like the little third grader tattling on their friends with this post, but after our QB Club meeting where we met the coaches, I had some concerns with one of the coaches having four beers and no meal and then driving a pretty long distance back to Bozeman. I know these are grown men and need to be responsible for their decisions, but it is becoming clear that there needs to be some higher standards or protocals for their drinking habbits. We run a pretty classy program, but this is one of black eye areas.
4 beers? After 4 bears I would probably be at .0004. Maybe his were those 12% craft beers.
The moral of the story is if I'm driving a University vehicle a long distance, I'm not have 4+ beers on an empty stomach and then crawling behind the wheel and heading home. I guess I just don't find a need to gamble that way.
I know what your saying and yes, probably not worth it but to me 4 beers is not much of a gamble. Maybe 10.
Cold Smoke or Coors Light?
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4 of those and it is GOOD NIGHT..
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Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.
Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.
Nailed it. You imagine how many of us on here sit around and drink all day during home games while tailgating before and after the game, only to get in our cars and drive away like we are completely sober. Dude made a mistake, lots of college coaches make mistakes.
I feel like the little third grader tattling on their friends with this post, but after our QB Club meeting where we met the coaches, I had some concerns with one of the coaches having four beers and no meal and then driving a pretty long distance back to Bozeman. I know these are grown men and need to be responsible for their decisions, but it is becoming clear that there needs to be some higher standards or protocals for their drinking habbits. We run a pretty classy program, but this is one of black eye areas.
4 beers? After 4 bears I would probably be at .0004. Maybe his were those 12% craft beers.
The moral of the story is if I'm driving a University vehicle a long distance, I'm not have 4+ beers on an empty stomach and then crawling behind the wheel and heading home. I guess I just don't find a need to gamble that way.
I know what your saying and yes, probably not worth it but to me 4 beers is not much of a gamble. Maybe 10.
Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.
I don’t think anyone is saying he’s a bad person, though I’m not a huge fan of his ever since the 2021 presser after getting smoke by the griz. The dude crashed a vehicle tied to the school, while presumably intoxicated, and fled the scene. He can still be a decent guy that made a mistake AND deserve to be fired. That also has nothing to do whether or not any of us have gotten away with making similar bad judgment calls.
I worked for a major energy company. Corporate policy on DUIs was crystal clear. If you were convicted you were out. No exceptions.
I also worked for a major energy company and saw that policy change over last 20 years. I even had to roll out new policy to field and professional staff. It changed for us in alignment with growing marijuana usage and illicit drugs.
Basically a first offense resulted in disciplinary action (usually unpaid leave of some duration), committing to attend a treatment program, weekly testing program while in treatment program and long term random testing program (including hair for drug cases)…Monday was always a popular random test day. If incident caused injury or death the case was handled differently and employee was terminated. Second offense was termination. Footnote: I saw several good employees benefit from the treatment programs and get a second chance at life.
At the time we were also testing all new employees before hire. professional and hourly……often seeing positive test results of 25% depending on demographics….and for defined safety sensitive positions that meant you didn’t even get a second chance or get hired.
So there is state law which governs one aspect of this and there is University policy that governs the University actions. I don’t know what university policy is. Then there is the “court of public opinion”.
So many who have never sinned on this site. Good thing there are lots of rocks in MT.
Just the optics of the discussion.
Most of this could have been private messages between the morals police. Same folks who look down on others who work for a living and get their hands dirty.
On another subject: I am now convinced cat4lyf is a plant to get page views for ad revenue.
So many who have never sinned on this site. Good thing there are lots of rocks in MT.
Just the optics of the discussion.
Most of this could have been private messages between the morals police. Same folks who look down on others who work for a living and get their hands dirty.
On another subject: I am now convinced cat4lyf is a plant to get page views for ad revenue.
Have a nice day.
Thinking a DUI in a school vehicle and leaving the scene warrants a loss of job is just “people who haven’t sinned”?
Good grief. Standards aren’t a bad thing to have. At the end of the day, Housewright is a coach in charge of a group of young people and helping them grow as humans. It’s not all about football.
I’m sure he’s a decent person, but there needs to be consequences for actions. Letting it go sets a bad example for MSU.
Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.
Nailed it. You imagine how many of us on here sit around and drink all day during home games while tailgating before and after the game, only to get in our cars and drive away like we are completely sober. Dude made a mistake, lots of college coaches make mistakes.
He made choices, not mistakes. Running a wrong route or fumbling the ball is a mistake.
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I feel like the little third grader tattling on their friends with this post, but after our QB Club meeting where we met the coaches, I had some concerns with one of the coaches having four beers and no meal and then driving a pretty long distance back to Bozeman. I know these are grown men and need to be responsible for their decisions, but it is becoming clear that there needs to be some higher standards or protocals for their drinking habbits. We run a pretty classy program, but this is one of black eye areas.
4 beers? After 4 bears I would probably be at .0004. Maybe his were those 12% craft beers.
Have you ever been tested after four beers (or bears, as you wrote) on an empty stomach? You may be surprised.
Exactly. You’re definitely getting a DUI after four beers.
Time frame matters. 4 beers in an hour or 4 in 4 hours
Very good point!
All of this is pointless argument. If you're going to drink ANYTHING, don't drive. It's really that simple. As the ads say "buzzed driving is drunk driving".
Then let's close down tailgating and beer sales at the BB games. It's as simple as that.
Yes, because everyone goes to games alone... Someone can ALWAYS be the nominated DD. And for the very small percentage that do, plan for it. It's called being a responsible human being. There is no excuse, PERIOD.
I have no problem sharing the road with people driving after a beer or two, unless they are a complete lightweight and can’t handle their alcohol at all. I’m way more concerned about the super intoxicated drivers, and detracted/texting drivers. Doesn’t the data show texting and driving is more dangerous than drunk driving?
I don’t know if anybody has said this or not, but what if the policy is set by the AD? I ate lunch at the canary yesterday and a former coach was in there, won’t say his name, and he said when Fields was the AD he told all coaches in a huge group meeting if they got a DUI they were gone. Zero tolerance policy. It got me thinking, what if all of this isn’t Vigen’s decision like so many think. Maybe it’s a policy set by the AD, which makes more sense to me, and Vigen actually doesn’t have any authority regarding legal matters. Just a thought.
When Fields was AD one of the football coaches pulled a gun in a bar and it went off into the ceiling. There was even a bit wrote in Sports Illustrated reporting on the incident. The coach was not terminated. So please tell us more about how Fields was holding coaches to such a high standard...
Did he get convicted? Was he charged? How can you fire someone from what people say? This isn’t a banana republic. If you aren’t convicted of something, how can you fire someone? If you fire someone for a report or a what people are saying, then saddle up when that person isn’t even charged with a crime or convicted. Why open yourself up to that? People need to get off their high horses, until the case is closed. It’s shocking how much people are worried about the look for MSU, get off egriz and you wouldn’t even know.
I don’t know if anybody has said this or not, but what if the policy is set by the AD? I ate lunch at the canary yesterday and a former coach was in there, won’t say his name, and he said when Fields was the AD he told all coaches in a huge group meeting if they got a DUI they were gone. Zero tolerance policy. It got me thinking, what if all of this isn’t Vigen’s decision like so many think. Maybe it’s a policy set by the AD, which makes more sense to me, and Vigen actually doesn’t have any authority regarding legal matters. Just a thought.
When Fields was AD one of the football coaches pulled a gun in a bar and it went off into the ceiling. There was even a bit wrote in Sports Illustrated reporting on the incident. The coach was not terminated. So please tell us more about how Fields was holding coaches to such a high standard...
Did he get convicted? Was he charged? How can you fire someone from what people say? This isn’t a banana republic. If you aren’t convicted of something, how can you fire someone? If you fire someone for a report or a what people are saying, then saddle up when that person isn’t even charged with a crime or convicted. Why open yourself up to that? People need to get off their high horses, until the case is closed. It’s shocking how much people are worried about the look for MSU, get off egriz and you wouldn’t even know.
I’m in the camp for firing the OC and DC if they are convicted. Due process is crucial for a lawful society, without that you get socialism and a banana republic. If you let social media and public opinion drive your thinking, you will find yourself living a lawless society, which is exactly where we are headed unfortunately. Shameful.
I don’t know if anybody has said this or not, but what if the policy is set by the AD? I ate lunch at the canary yesterday and a former coach was in there, won’t say his name, and he said when Fields was the AD he told all coaches in a huge group meeting if they got a DUI they were gone. Zero tolerance policy. It got me thinking, what if all of this isn’t Vigen’s decision like so many think. Maybe it’s a policy set by the AD, which makes more sense to me, and Vigen actually doesn’t have any authority regarding legal matters. Just a thought.
When Fields was AD one of the football coaches pulled a gun in a bar and it went off into the ceiling. There was even a bit wrote in Sports Illustrated reporting on the incident. The coach was not terminated. So please tell us more about how Fields was holding coaches to such a high standard...
Did he get convicted? Was he charged? How can you fire someone from what people say? This isn’t a banana republic. If you aren’t convicted of something, how can you fire someone? If you fire someone for a report or a what people are saying, then saddle up when that person isn’t even charged with a crime or convicted. Why open yourself up to that? People need to get off their high horses, until the case is closed. It’s shocking how much people are worried about the look for MSU, get off egriz and you wouldn’t even know.
He wasn’t convicted, but making SI for shooting a gun in a packed bar isn’t a great representation of the program. He did get arrested again for beating up a woman…
***Note my response is to your comment about Fields, not the current situation. Peter was worthless as an AD and truly f***ed up around every corner.
I feel like the little third grader tattling on their friends with this post, but after our QB Club meeting where we met the coaches, I had some concerns with one of the coaches having four beers and no meal and then driving a pretty long distance back to Bozeman. I know these are grown men and need to be responsible for their decisions, but it is becoming clear that there needs to be some higher standards or protocals for their drinking habbits. We run a pretty classy program, but this is one of black eye areas.
4 beers? After 4 bears I would probably be at .0004. Maybe his were those 12% craft beers.
The moral of the story is if I'm driving a University vehicle a long distance, I'm not have 4+ beers on an empty stomach and then crawling behind the wheel and heading home. I guess I just don't find a need to gamble that way.
If you are driving a University vehicle, 0 beers is the appropriate number.
This could easily be the beginning of the end for Vigen. Thats just the world we live in.
I mean this isn't exactly Penn State. Its college assistance coaches at the FCS level getting cited for DUIs. Is it bad? Yes. Should Vigen hold his coaches to a higher standard by making them suffer the consequences? Yes. Should Vigen be let go? No.
With Garza’s most recent DUI I was shocked when he wasn’t let go immediately but understood the legal process needed to play out. In my opinion he should have been let go by the University immediately once the legal end was finalized (if it has been). I’ve truly enjoyed Housewright and what he’s brought to MSU football the past few years. He made a mistake, a stupid one, and we’ve all made them and moved on. But, two coaches with DUI’s in 6 months? It’s absolutely unacceptable for this to be swept under the rug and I truly hope that Coach Vigen addresses this publicly somehow. The players and fans deserve that in my opinion.I’m as big of an MSU football fan and supporter as you’ll meet, but what kind of message is being sent here?!? Seriously, say what you want, but I put this at Vigens feet. These actions may not be his doing, but they could definitely be his un-doing! Vigen is ultimately responsible for setting the tone of the football program, how he approaches this situation could ultimately break him. The optics on this are terrible for MSU and the scrutiny that will be closely following is going to be deserved.
Do all public employees deserve to lose their job for a DUI. Professors, the custodian staff, etc. My guess is they have to treat these coaches the same as they would others on campus. They are more in the public eye, but still under a contract.
Of course not. And they shouldn't. but they arent the public face of the university...they dont make the crazy high salaries that an OC makes, and they weren't driving an MSU issued vehicle.
No way an addict professor should get fired for this. No way Garza or House should be on the sidelines next fall.
"Crazy high salaries". Maybe at FBS schools but certainly not at the FCS level.
Relative to professors, custodians, support staff at MSU. MSU is known for how poorly it pays most staff. I dont recall exactly how much Housewright makes, but I'm reasonably sure its 20-30x what MSU pays adjuncts. At the salty old age of 33.
I would bet against that.
Adjucts make $1500 (give or take) per class. x2-3 classes per term, with 0 benefits. So, yeah, House with bonuses & benefits package is easily 20x.
Housewright made a big mistake but it doesn’t have anything to do with MSU culture. People drink and not everyone does responsibly. I bet nearly everyone on this site has gotten away with driving under the influence. Let’s hold off on the judgment just because we never got caught.
I bet nobody on this thread has crashed an MSU issued vehicle & left the scene.
Someone can ALWAYS be the nominated DD. And for the very small percentage that do, plan for it. It's called being a responsible human being. There is no excuse, PERIOD.
