The crowd factor

[catatac]

MSU also had to go into the game not knowing who the EWU quarterback would be, and it was pretty clear that they ran some different things with the backups in there than they might otherwise do in their normal offense. It wasn't always pretty out there but credit to the MSU coaches for making adjustments in game and shutting EWU down in the fourth quarter when it really mattered.

True, but that doesn't explain how a 4th year starter QB gets a delay of game before the first snap of the game.

I'm not trying to pile on, but curious - what is the point\reason for your post? Are you offering up a solution, suggestion that would have helped Tommy not make that mistake? If so, let's see if we can figure out why he threw that pick, and correct that too.

I'm just responding to the notion that it was somehow the Cats had problems because EWU changed the gameplan. Cats came out REALLY flat & not ready to play...blame the bye week, blame the red field, blame the weather or lack of a crowd, blame whatever...but the Cats didn't look very to start, shot themselves in the foot a bunch, had to contend with some really obvious missed calls by the refs & still won comfortably on the road against a really solid team.

That pick was REALLY bad...maybe one of the worst 5 or 10 passes that Tommy has thrown in his entire career. Honestly, I chalk that up to just making a bad play...even superhuman players like TM are gonna make mistakes.

But a delay of game on the first snap? Thats a brain fart of epic proportions...

Anyway, its funny cause I've been one of the more optimistic posters about winning this game...I think it's a great win.

Just noting some things that were weird & self inflicted that the Cats did a great job of overcoming.

Ahhh, gotchya. That all makes sense then. I 100% agree with everything you posted. Yes, the first play of the game was ridiculous, as was the INT. Thank God Tommy RARELY makes mistakes like those.

[Lord Vigo]

This thread is outstanding.

I swear I’m on Egris… just saying we are better than this.

Peak Egriz gives one a distinct dirty old pedophile vibe.

BN is more in the neighborhood of insufferable Karen scolds.

Different vintages.

[onceacat]

MSU also had to go into the game not knowing who the EWU quarterback would be, and it was pretty clear that they ran some different things with the backups in there than they might otherwise do in their normal offense. It wasn't always pretty out there but credit to the MSU coaches for making adjustments in game and shutting EWU down in the fourth quarter when it really mattered.

True, but that doesn't explain how a 4th year starter QB gets a delay of game before the first snap of the game.

I'm not trying to pile on, but curious - what is the point\reason for your post? Are you offering up a solution, suggestion that would have helped Tommy not make that mistake? If so, let's see if we can figure out why he threw that pick, and correct that too.

I'm just responding to the notion that it was somehow the Cats had problems because EWU changed the gameplan. Cats came out REALLY flat & not ready to play...blame the bye week, blame the red field, blame the weather or lack of a crowd, blame whatever...but the Cats didn't look very to start, shot themselves in the foot a bunch, had to contend with some really obvious missed calls by the refs & still won comfortably on the road against a really solid team.

That pick was REALLY bad...maybe one of the worst 5 or 10 passes that Tommy has thrown in his entire career. Honestly, I chalk that up to just making a bad play...even superhuman players like TM are gonna make mistakes.

But a delay of game on the first snap? Thats a brain fart of epic proportions...

Anyway, its funny cause I've been one of the more optimistic posters about winning this game...I think it's a great win.

Just noting some things that were weird & self inflicted that the Cats did a great job of overcoming.

Ahhh, gotchya. That all makes sense then. I 100% agree with everything you posted. Yes, the first play of the game was ridiculous, as was the INT. Thank God Tommy RARELY makes mistakes like those.

Funny. The INT was a terrible throw, but the lighting on that was awful...and I expect even the best QBs to throw one of those every 100 attempts or so. It's unreasonable to expect perfection.

Not unreasonable to expect a junior high QB in his first game ever get the first snap off.

But I guess that makes me a complainer.

[Cataholic]

MSU also had to go into the game not knowing who the EWU quarterback would be, and it was pretty clear that they ran some different things with the backups in there than they might otherwise do in their normal offense. It wasn't always pretty out there but credit to the MSU coaches for making adjustments in game and shutting EWU down in the fourth quarter when it really mattered.

True, but that doesn't explain how a 4th year starter QB gets a delay of game before the first snap of the game.

I'm not trying to pile on, but curious - what is the point\reason for your post? Are you offering up a solution, suggestion that would have helped Tommy not make that mistake? If so, let's see if we can figure out why he threw that pick, and correct that too.

I'm just responding to the notion that it was somehow the Cats had problems because EWU changed the gameplan. Cats came out REALLY flat & not ready to play...blame the bye week, blame the red field, blame the weather or lack of a crowd, blame whatever...but the Cats didn't look very to start, shot themselves in the foot a bunch, had to contend with some really obvious missed calls by the refs & still won comfortably on the road against a really solid team.

That pick was REALLY bad...maybe one of the worst 5 or 10 passes that Tommy has thrown in his entire career. Honestly, I chalk that up to just making a bad play...even superhuman players like TM are gonna make mistakes.

But a delay of game on the first snap? Thats a brain fart of epic proportions...

Anyway, its funny cause I've been one of the more optimistic posters about winning this game...I think it's a great win.

Just noting some things that were weird & self inflicted that the Cats did a great job of overcoming.

Ahhh, gotchya. That all makes sense then. I 100% agree with everything you posted. Yes, the first play of the game was ridiculous, as was the INT. Thank God Tommy RARELY makes mistakes like those.

Funny. The INT was a terrible throw, but the lighting on that was awful...and I expect even the best QBs to throw one of those every 100 attempts or so. It's unreasonable to expect perfection.

Not unreasonable to expect a junior high QB in his first game ever get the first snap off.

But I guess that makes me a complainer.

After that delay of game, I knew we were screwed. What a terrible coaching job. Didn’t have those guys properly prepared. And take down Tommy’s statues please!! We have to go back to the drawing board and make sure that never ever happens again!! I hope those coaches spend at least 15 minutes working out those kinks. It was defiant the turning point of the game. But keep harping away onceacat. Other posters are quickly realizing why I think neveracat is a good fit for you.

[tetoncat]

Let's flip the discussion. Cats home crowd is a factor. 1st game there since Oct 12th vs Idaho. That is a long stretch and Cats will feed off it.

[BelligerentBobcat]

MSU also had to go into the game not knowing who the EWU quarterback would be, and it was pretty clear that they ran some different things with the backups in there than they might otherwise do in their normal offense. It wasn't always pretty out there but credit to the MSU coaches for making adjustments in game and shutting EWU down in the fourth quarter when it really mattered.

True, but that doesn't explain how a 4th year starter QB gets a delay of game before the first snap of the game.

I'm not trying to pile on, but curious - what is the point\reason for your post? Are you offering up a solution, suggestion that would have helped Tommy not make that mistake? If so, let's see if we can figure out why he threw that pick, and correct that too.

I'm just responding to the notion that it was somehow the Cats had problems because EWU changed the gameplan. Cats came out REALLY flat & not ready to play...blame the bye week, blame the red field, blame the weather or lack of a crowd, blame whatever...but the Cats didn't look very to start, shot themselves in the foot a bunch, had to contend with some really obvious missed calls by the refs & still won comfortably on the road against a really solid team.

That pick was REALLY bad...maybe one of the worst 5 or 10 passes that Tommy has thrown in his entire career. Honestly, I chalk that up to just making a bad play...even superhuman players like TM are gonna make mistakes.

But a delay of game on the first snap? Thats a brain fart of epic proportions...

Anyway, its funny cause I've been one of the more optimistic posters about winning this game...I think it's a great win.

Just noting some things that were weird & self inflicted that the Cats did a great job of overcoming.

Ahhh, gotchya. That all makes sense then. I 100% agree with everything you posted. Yes, the first play of the game was ridiculous, as was the INT. Thank God Tommy RARELY makes mistakes like those.

Funny. The INT was a terrible throw, but the lighting on that was awful...and I expect even the best QBs to throw one of those every 100 attempts or so. It's unreasonable to expect perfection.

Not unreasonable to expect a junior high QB in his first game ever get the first snap off.

But I guess that makes me a complainer.

After that delay of game, I knew we were screwed. What a terrible coaching job. Didn’t have those guys properly prepared. And take down Tommy’s statues please!! We have to go back to the drawing board and make sure that never ever happens again!! I hope those coaches spend at least 15 minutes working out those kinks. It was defiant the turning point of the game. But keep harping away onceacat. Other posters are quickly realizing why I think neveracat is a good fit for you.

Is it really that hard to discuss things without being, dare I say, belligerent?

It’s possible for a person to say a penalty was unacceptable, dumb, etc, without believing it’s also a huge deal. It was a dumb penalty, and in this game, didn’t have a large effect on the game. But against the DSU’s it could.

[Cataholic]

MSU also had to go into the game not knowing who the EWU quarterback would be, and it was pretty clear that they ran some different things with the backups in there than they might otherwise do in their normal offense. It wasn't always pretty out there but credit to the MSU coaches for making adjustments in game and shutting EWU down in the fourth quarter when it really mattered.

True, but that doesn't explain how a 4th year starter QB gets a delay of game before the first snap of the game.

I'm not trying to pile on, but curious - what is the point\reason for your post? Are you offering up a solution, suggestion that would have helped Tommy not make that mistake? If so, let's see if we can figure out why he threw that pick, and correct that too.

I'm just responding to the notion that it was somehow the Cats had problems because EWU changed the gameplan. Cats came out REALLY flat & not ready to play...blame the bye week, blame the red field, blame the weather or lack of a crowd, blame whatever...but the Cats didn't look very to start, shot themselves in the foot a bunch, had to contend with some really obvious missed calls by the refs & still won comfortably on the road against a really solid team.

That pick was REALLY bad...maybe one of the worst 5 or 10 passes that Tommy has thrown in his entire career. Honestly, I chalk that up to just making a bad play...even superhuman players like TM are gonna make mistakes.

But a delay of game on the first snap? Thats a brain fart of epic proportions...

Anyway, its funny cause I've been one of the more optimistic posters about winning this game...I think it's a great win.

Just noting some things that were weird & self inflicted that the Cats did a great job of overcoming.

Ahhh, gotchya. That all makes sense then. I 100% agree with everything you posted. Yes, the first play of the game was ridiculous, as was the INT. Thank God Tommy RARELY makes mistakes like those.

Funny. The INT was a terrible throw, but the lighting on that was awful...and I expect even the best QBs to throw one of those every 100 attempts or so. It's unreasonable to expect perfection.

Not unreasonable to expect a junior high QB in his first game ever get the first snap off.

But I guess that makes me a complainer.

After that delay of game, I knew we were screwed. What a terrible coaching job. Didn’t have those guys properly prepared. And take down Tommy’s statues please!! We have to go back to the drawing board and make sure that never ever happens again!! I hope those coaches spend at least 15 minutes working out those kinks. It was defiant the turning point of the game. But keep harping away onceacat. Other posters are quickly realizing why I think neveracat is a good fit for you.

Is it really that hard to discuss things without being, dare I say, belligerent?

It’s possible for a person to say a penalty was unacceptable, dumb, etc, without believing it’s also a huge deal. It was a dumb penalty, and in this game, didn’t have a large effect on the game. But against the DSU’s it could.

What? You don’t like the Belligerent schtick? That is so unlike you!

[BelligerentBobcat]

MSU also had to go into the game not knowing who the EWU quarterback would be, and it was pretty clear that they ran some different things with the backups in there than they might otherwise do in their normal offense. It wasn't always pretty out there but credit to the MSU coaches for making adjustments in game and shutting EWU down in the fourth quarter when it really mattered.

True, but that doesn't explain how a 4th year starter QB gets a delay of game before the first snap of the game.

I'm not trying to pile on, but curious - what is the point\reason for your post? Are you offering up a solution, suggestion that would have helped Tommy not make that mistake? If so, let's see if we can figure out why he threw that pick, and correct that too.

I'm just responding to the notion that it was somehow the Cats had problems because EWU changed the gameplan. Cats came out REALLY flat & not ready to play...blame the bye week, blame the red field, blame the weather or lack of a crowd, blame whatever...but the Cats didn't look very to start, shot themselves in the foot a bunch, had to contend with some really obvious missed calls by the refs & still won comfortably on the road against a really solid team.

That pick was REALLY bad...maybe one of the worst 5 or 10 passes that Tommy has thrown in his entire career. Honestly, I chalk that up to just making a bad play...even superhuman players like TM are gonna make mistakes.

But a delay of game on the first snap? Thats a brain fart of epic proportions...

Anyway, its funny cause I've been one of the more optimistic posters about winning this game...I think it's a great win.

Just noting some things that were weird & self inflicted that the Cats did a great job of overcoming.

Ahhh, gotchya. That all makes sense then. I 100% agree with everything you posted. Yes, the first play of the game was ridiculous, as was the INT. Thank God Tommy RARELY makes mistakes like those.

Funny. The INT was a terrible throw, but the lighting on that was awful...and I expect even the best QBs to throw one of those every 100 attempts or so. It's unreasonable to expect perfection.

Not unreasonable to expect a junior high QB in his first game ever get the first snap off.

But I guess that makes me a complainer.

After that delay of game, I knew we were screwed. What a terrible coaching job. Didn’t have those guys properly prepared. And take down Tommy’s statues please!! We have to go back to the drawing board and make sure that never ever happens again!! I hope those coaches spend at least 15 minutes working out those kinks. It was defiant the turning point of the game. But keep harping away onceacat. Other posters are quickly realizing why I think neveracat is a good fit for you.

Is it really that hard to discuss things without being, dare I say, belligerent?

It’s possible for a person to say a penalty was unacceptable, dumb, etc, without believing it’s also a huge deal. It was a dumb penalty, and in this game, didn’t have a large effect on the game. But against the DSU’s it could.

What? You don’t like the Belligerent schtick? That is so unlike you!

Oh Cataholic, if only you were a schtick.

[WalkOn79]

This thread is outstanding.

I swear I’m on Egris… just saying we are better than this.

Peak Egriz gives one a distinct dirty old pedophile vibe.

BN is more in the neighborhood of insufferable Karen scolds.

Different vintages.

This is SO TRUE!!

[Bobcat4Ever]

Funny. The INT was a terrible throw, but the lighting on that was awful...and I expect even the best QBs to throw one of those every 100 attempts or so. It's unreasonable to expect perfection.

I’ve been wondering if anyone would mention the lighting. I’ve seen other teams, including the gris, throw picks in that condition. Stays cloudy and gloomy most of the game, and then about the last quarter the sun breaks out. EWU seems to plan for that. In their location in Pacific Time the sunset is much earlier than Bozeman. At the beginning of that possession I mentioned to my wife, look at the shadows — I hope they don’t try to throw to that right side. And then there it was. The pass appeared to lack conviction, as if Tommy’s eyes warned him at the last millisecond. The shady side of the black uniforms, looking almost directly into a setting sun, would have been hard to differentiate. The two defenders were sort of stacked up. Made me wonder if they set that up. Tommy almost immediately responded with the bomb to Ty, down the left side. I’ll bet our OC won’t let that happen again. It’s a repeated story. Too bad, because Tommy and Cam Miller were the only two top-ranked QBs with no TDs. Just another mark of what an excellent season Mr. Mellott is having.

[Long Time Cat]

Funny. The INT was a terrible throw, but the lighting on that was awful...and I expect even the best QBs to throw one of those every 100 attempts or so. It's unreasonable to expect perfection.

I’ve been wondering if anyone would mention the lighting. I’ve seen other teams, including the gris, throw picks in that condition. Stays cloudy and gloomy most of the game, and then about the last quarter the sun breaks out. EWU seems to plan for that. In their location in Pacific Time the sunset is much earlier than Bozeman. At the beginning of that possession I mentioned to my wife, look at the shadows — I hope they don’t try to throw to that right side. And then there it was. The pass appeared to lack conviction, as if Tommy’s eyes warned him at the last millisecond. The shady side of the black uniforms, looking almost directly into a setting sun, would have been hard to differentiate. The two defenders were sort of stacked up. Made me wonder if they set that up. Tommy almost immediately responded with the bomb to Ty, down the left side. I’ll bet our OC won’t let that happen again. It’s a repeated story. Too bad, because Tommy and Cam Miller were the only two top-ranked QBs with no TDs. Just another mark of what an excellent season Mr. Mellott is having.

Must be tough to a top ranked QB with no TDs. Probably why there are so few.

[lutecat]

You guys should just sit back and enjoy the fact that we have this great forum to come talk Bobcat Football on! Not complain about other posters that critique the Football team! Sit back and enjoy the ride. I hope you all see what I did there....

So complainaholic....do you really really think it's such a big deal for someone to critique a minor thing like a delay of game like that? I mean come on man. You're wound up too tight.

You had gone through a streak where I was really enjoying your comments, and dare I say critiques. Let's go back to that.

[Cataholic]

You guys should just sit back and enjoy the fact that we have this great forum to come talk Bobcat Football on! Not complain about other posters that critique the Football team! Sit back and enjoy the ride. I hope you all see what I did there....

So complainaholic....do you really really think it's such a big deal for someone to critique a minor thing like a delay of game like that? I mean come on man. You're wound up too tight.

You had gone through a streak where I was really enjoying your comments, and dare I say critiques. Let's go back to that.

Seems like a contradictory statement by you, but hey, I get it. Why would anyone get tired of the same posters complaining about ridiculous things in the middle of the a historic 70 year run? But thanks for taking time out of your busy day to critique my critique. I would have never expected anything like that from you.

[CelticCat]

Gentlemen, can we just... not.