QB Talk

[TomCat88]

"We will see if we have a OC proof team."

What does that mean?

I'll try to explain my thought. Last year when one or other of the 2 QB were out ahead of time it seemed like game plans featured the strengths of the one playing. If both played against good teams it seemed each was more restricted on what we ran with them. And if To.my went out in game it was as if Chambers hadn't been prepped for full game plan. Hopefully without a 2 QB system the backup is fully prepared by OC to run the full plan for that week if necessary.

I'm not saying you're wrong because I certainly don't have that much knowledge about the details of an OC's job, but I'd find it hard to believe that an OC at this level running a 2QB system isn't going to prepare both QBs for a game and be able to adjust a game plan accordingly. I don't expect them to be perfect but to fail at nearly every turn in this situation is hard to fathom. Most games with Mellott available/starting, Chambers was IMO a situational player who would primarily come in for three situations: short yardage, after a big gain, or to run some type of gadget play. When he did start Mellott was typically out for the game. I think there are coaches at this level that get stubborn and stick with a system too long, but I don't think many have the problem that you're describing.

I only recall two games where Mellott was injured, and Chambers was called on to run the game solo from there. SDSU and NDSU. Neither QB had a lot of success vs SDSU, but Chambers led an amazing, gutsy drive at the end of the game. I thought both QBs had good success vs NDSU and MSU probably wins the game if Chambers isn't hurt as I think he doesn't step out of bounds and scores in regulation. He made a mistake after that and perhaps was being asked to do something he just wasn't confident doing due to his injury, but it wasn't the first time he'd made that error so in that case it's on him and not the OC.

Sports can be very random even at the highest levels and players/coaches can just have a bad game no matter how good they are. Trying to pin too much responsibility on one player or coach is good for ratings on talk shows but I don't think it's very realistic in a macro sense. Yes, Steph Curry has gone Oh-fer-10 shooting 3s and the Warriors lost those games and Curry himself will take the blame. But to blame someone for failure over an entire season (or 3 seasons) is a stretch IMHO. I've heard numerous coaches and players take the blame for games but if a coach or player is to blame for an entire season, then that team has a much bigger problem than that coach or player. I mean, where's everyone else on the team? Shouldn't they be able to recognize these problems, if we can?

You sort of make my point for me. If Chambers was the guy going into a game cats seemed diverse in passing and running. I'd both played he was situational.

Your last part of saying coach or player is to blame for whole season also ties into the full discussion here. Posts are saying the season hinges on Tommy and if he is out season is over. So in that scenario they are saying success is tied to one player so wouldn't failure also be.

I’m having a hard time following you. I think you might have left a couple words out of your sentences. ???

I don’t think one player or coach is the cause of a bad season or game plan. I think players and coaches make mistakes in micro settings.

I think teams can overcome being weak in an area. They do this all the time.

Sports are very random. Kickers make 122 kicks in a row and then miss one, which just randomly happens to be the kick that puts them in the championship. Shooters are 80% from the free throw line and then miss both, which just happens to be at the end of the game down by one. Teams go undefeated or have best record in the league and lose in the first of playoffs. It’s weird. Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. MSU made two zany plays to win games in 2022. Windshield. MSU didn’t get the call and had an XP blocked in 2023. Bug. Better finish by a lesser team in 2022. All kinds of random. Doesn’t always follow the script.

[Justwinbaby]

I hope that not trying to go after a portal QB with playing experience won’t come back to bite us in the ass this season. If Tommy can stay 100% all season, I think it won’t matter but if he misses any time because of injuries, I think we are going to regret not having someone that is game ready.

Yeah, we really need a highly touted portal QB like Sam Vidlak. Have a little faith in our coaches and current players, if they aren't going after portal QBs there's a good reason for that decision.

This is exactly correct. We don't know the extent of the QB-room talent and potential (depth). The coaches do...

I'll stand by my statement - the QB room will NOT be the thing that keeps the team from returning to Frisco.

The problem will be on the other side of the ball...

Where do you see the problems being on the defense?

Yep.

[Justwinbaby]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

Now do the other side of the equation. Name the QBs whole led FBS, FCS, AND NFL title contenders. I guarantee the list is longer and much more impressive.

Excellent and elite QBs matter much more than you imply.

I would do that, but I think most sports fans realize that good quarterbacks lead to title contending teams and I'm not implying that they don't. My point is that not all title contenders have good QBs and are led to their positions by good players/systems in other areas.

Let's look at just your 1st list above.

JOHNSON - played 17 NFL seasons. Played both D1 football and BB at Florida State. He'll of an athlete - a good QB.

DILFER - played 14 NFL seasons. College Sammy Baugh Trophy winner. 6th overall pick in 1994. 1997 Pro Bowl - a good QB.

RYPIEN - played 14 NFL seasons. 1st Team all PAC 10 QB. 2x Superbowl champ and 1 x MVP. 1991 All Pro and 2 x Pro bowls - a good QB.

HOSTETLER - played 14 years in NFL. 2 x super bowl champ. Pro bowl 1994. 3rd TM college All American - a good QB.

PLUNKETT - played 15 seasons in the NFL. 2x super bowl champ. 1x super bowl MVP. AFC rookie of the year. Heisman Trophy, Maxwell trophy, Walter Camp award. Consensus College All American. College FB Hall of Fame. 1st round draft pick - a good QB.

Every one of these guys were good to great QBs.

These were all guys with 1 probowl each? Maybe 2? That's not great qb's. So you can't say good to great qb's. I think at best you can say they were all average. They had great teams playing around then. Peyton manning was a great qb with average teams and sub average coaches. And a lot of pro bowls.

Good grief. Their years in the league alone makes them ALL good QBs. I think an argument can be made Rypien and Plunkett were great NFL QBs. You can certainly argue differently - makes sports fun.

[tetoncat]

"We will see if we have a OC proof team."

What does that mean?

I'll try to explain my thought. Last year when one or other of the 2 QB were out ahead of time it seemed like game plans featured the strengths of the one playing. If both played against good teams it seemed each was more restricted on what we ran with them. And if To.my went out in game it was as if Chambers hadn't been prepped for full game plan. Hopefully without a 2 QB system the backup is fully prepared by OC to run the full plan for that week if necessary.

I'm not saying you're wrong because I certainly don't have that much knowledge about the details of an OC's job, but I'd find it hard to believe that an OC at this level running a 2QB system isn't going to prepare both QBs for a game and be able to adjust a game plan accordingly. I don't expect them to be perfect but to fail at nearly every turn in this situation is hard to fathom. Most games with Mellott available/starting, Chambers was IMO a situational player who would primarily come in for three situations: short yardage, after a big gain, or to run some type of gadget play. When he did start Mellott was typically out for the game. I think there are coaches at this level that get stubborn and stick with a system too long, but I don't think many have the problem that you're describing.

I only recall two games where Mellott was injured, and Chambers was called on to run the game solo from there. SDSU and NDSU. Neither QB had a lot of success vs SDSU, but Chambers led an amazing, gutsy drive at the end of the game. I thought both QBs had good success vs NDSU and MSU probably wins the game if Chambers isn't hurt as I think he doesn't step out of bounds and scores in regulation. He made a mistake after that and perhaps was being asked to do something he just wasn't confident doing due to his injury, but it wasn't the first time he'd made that error so in that case it's on him and not the OC.

Sports can be very random even at the highest levels and players/coaches can just have a bad game no matter how good they are. Trying to pin too much responsibility on one player or coach is good for ratings on talk shows but I don't think it's very realistic in a macro sense. Yes, Steph Curry has gone Oh-fer-10 shooting 3s and the Warriors lost those games and Curry himself will take the blame. But to blame someone for failure over an entire season (or 3 seasons) is a stretch IMHO. I've heard numerous coaches and players take the blame for games but if a coach or player is to blame for an entire season, then that team has a much bigger problem than that coach or player. I mean, where's everyone else on the team? Shouldn't they be able to recognize these problems, if we can?

You sort of make my point for me. If Chambers was the guy going into a game cats seemed diverse in passing and running. I'd both played he was situational.

Your last part of saying coach or player is to blame for whole season also ties into the full discussion here. Posts are saying the season hinges on Tommy and if he is out season is over. So in that scenario they are saying success is tied to one player so wouldn't failure also be.

I’m having a hard time following you. I think you might have left a couple words out of your sentences. ???

I don’t think one player or coach is the cause of a bad season or game plan. I think players and coaches make mistakes in micro settings.

I think teams can overcome being weak in an area. They do this all the time.

Sports are very random. Kickers make 122 kicks in a row and then miss one, which just randomly happens to be the kick that puts them in the championship. Shooters are 80% from the free throw line and then miss both, which just happens to be at the end of the game down by one. Teams go undefeated or have best record in the league and lose in the first of playoffs. It’s weird. Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. MSU made two zany plays to win games in 2022. Windshield. MSU didn’t get the call and had an XP blocked in 2023. Bug. Better finish by a lesser team in 2022. All kinds of random. Doesn’t always follow the script.

I'll just agree to disagree. Your relating specific plays from a season and I am talking about patterns and philosophy. I just feel if game plan is one player dependent you set up for failure if that player is absent. If it is adaptable enough for backup to also succeed the odds are better

[catatac]

I hope that not trying to go after a portal QB with playing experience won’t come back to bite us in the ass this season. If Tommy can stay 100% all season, I think it won’t matter but if he misses any time because of injuries, I think we are going to regret not having someone that is game ready.

Yeah, we really need a highly touted portal QB like Sam Vidlak. Have a little faith in our coaches and current players, if they aren't going after portal QBs there's a good reason for that decision.

This is exactly correct. We don't know the extent of the QB-room talent and potential (depth). The coaches do...

I'll stand by my statement - the QB room will NOT be the thing that keeps the team from returning to Frisco.

The problem will be on the other side of the ball...

Where do you see the problems being on the defense?

Yep.

I think he meant, specifically what about the defense do you think might be suspect? I have a feeling the 2024 BOBCAT DEFENSE is going to be rock solid. We'll see.

[Justwinbaby]

I hope that not trying to go after a portal QB with playing experience won’t come back to bite us in the ass this season. If Tommy can stay 100% all season, I think it won’t matter but if he misses any time because of injuries, I think we are going to regret not having someone that is game ready.

Yeah, we really need a highly touted portal QB like Sam Vidlak. Have a little faith in our coaches and current players, if they aren't going after portal QBs there's a good reason for that decision.

This is exactly correct. We don't know the extent of the QB-room talent and potential (depth). The coaches do...

I'll stand by my statement - the QB room will NOT be the thing that keeps the team from returning to Frisco.

The problem will be on the other side of the ball...

Where do you see the problems being on the defense?

Yep.

I think he meant, specifically what about the defense do you think might be suspect? I have a feeling the 2024 BOBCAT DEFENSE is going to be rock solid. We'll see.

Team will score in bunches. But, getting stops at key moments against elite opponents is the key. The secondary is my biggest concern at this point. Elite BSC receivers - not to mention those from the Dakotas- will be a problem. Gonna have to get consistent pressure on QBs to solve the other half of the equation. Can the cats?

Additionally, last year we were not an elite red zone defense. That has to improve.

Those are my concerns.

[PapaG]

"We will see if we have a OC proof team."

What does that mean?

I'll try to explain my thought. Last year when one or other of the 2 QB were out ahead of time it seemed like game plans featured the strengths of the one playing. If both played against good teams it seemed each was more restricted on what we ran with them. And if To.my went out in game it was as if Chambers hadn't been prepped for full game plan. Hopefully without a 2 QB system the backup is fully prepared by OC to run the full plan for that week if necessary.

Just my opinion, but I think this has been a problem over the past 3 years. Take the NC - Tommy goes down and it looked to me like we were trying to run a Tommy game plan with Rovig. Seems to me that if the backup QB has a different skill set than the starter, you'd better have 2 game plans and QBs prepped to run them.

There isn’t nearly enough practice time to develop two game plans for a game.

[94VegasCat]

Additionally, last year we were not an elite red zone defense. That has to improve.

Those are my concerns.

I’m not our offense was when it really mattered. How many times did we have the ball inside the SDSU 20?

[84CatGrad]

Additionally, last year we were not an elite red zone defense. That has to improve.

Those are my concerns.

I’m not our offense was when it really mattered. How many times did we have the ball inside the SDSU 20?

I don't remember. But every single time it was against the best defense in the FCS.

[ThoughtUKnew14]

At a QB Club meeting Vigen mentioned that Reed can do things Tommy and Sean cannot do. He did not elaborate but I took it to mean a better passer.

See/find open receivers is one thing he probably does better. Goes through his progressions. Throw more multiple types of passes. A few possible things

Nailed it!

[AFCAT]

Here are the returning ESPN stats for QB1 and QB 2. I'm guessing Reed will be QB2. Just something to look at.


Tommy Mellott
Obviously, he split some time with Chambers and missed three games entirely.



Jordan Reed
Not a whole lot to go off of.

[TomCat88]

Here are the returning ESPN stats for QB1 and QB 2. I'm guessing Reed will be QB2. Just something to look at.


Tommy Mellott
Obviously, he split some time with Chambers and missed three games entirely.



Jordan Reed
Not a whole lot to go off of.

Also worth noting that backups playing in mop up roles are with the twos and threes. And if it’s a home game the opposing team has a limited roster so they’re leaving a lot of their better players in the game. But, yes, not a lot to go off of and stats don’t always tell the whole story.

[TomCat88]

"We will see if we have a OC proof team."

What does that mean?

I'll try to explain my thought. Last year when one or other of the 2 QB were out ahead of time it seemed like game plans featured the strengths of the one playing. If both played against good teams it seemed each was more restricted on what we ran with them. And if To.my went out in game it was as if Chambers hadn't been prepped for full game plan. Hopefully without a 2 QB system the backup is fully prepared by OC to run the full plan for that week if necessary.

I'm not saying you're wrong because I certainly don't have that much knowledge about the details of an OC's job, but I'd find it hard to believe that an OC at this level running a 2QB system isn't going to prepare both QBs for a game and be able to adjust a game plan accordingly. I don't expect them to be perfect but to fail at nearly every turn in this situation is hard to fathom. Most games with Mellott available/starting, Chambers was IMO a situational player who would primarily come in for three situations: short yardage, after a big gain, or to run some type of gadget play. When he did start Mellott was typically out for the game. I think there are coaches at this level that get stubborn and stick with a system too long, but I don't think many have the problem that you're describing.

I only recall two games where Mellott was injured, and Chambers was called on to run the game solo from there. SDSU and NDSU. Neither QB had a lot of success vs SDSU, but Chambers led an amazing, gutsy drive at the end of the game. I thought both QBs had good success vs NDSU and MSU probably wins the game if Chambers isn't hurt as I think he doesn't step out of bounds and scores in regulation. He made a mistake after that and perhaps was being asked to do something he just wasn't confident doing due to his injury, but it wasn't the first time he'd made that error so in that case it's on him and not the OC.

Sports can be very random even at the highest levels and players/coaches can just have a bad game no matter how good they are. Trying to pin too much responsibility on one player or coach is good for ratings on talk shows but I don't think it's very realistic in a macro sense. Yes, Steph Curry has gone Oh-fer-10 shooting 3s and the Warriors lost those games and Curry himself will take the blame. But to blame someone for failure over an entire season (or 3 seasons) is a stretch IMHO. I've heard numerous coaches and players take the blame for games but if a coach or player is to blame for an entire season, then that team has a much bigger problem than that coach or player. I mean, where's everyone else on the team? Shouldn't they be able to recognize these problems, if we can?

You sort of make my point for me. If Chambers was the guy going into a game cats seemed diverse in passing and running. I'd both played he was situational.

Your last part of saying coach or player is to blame for whole season also ties into the full discussion here. Posts are saying the season hinges on Tommy and if he is out season is over. So in that scenario they are saying success is tied to one player so wouldn't failure also be.

I’m having a hard time following you. I think you might have left a couple words out of your sentences. ???

I don’t think one player or coach is the cause of a bad season or game plan. I think players and coaches make mistakes in micro settings.

I think teams can overcome being weak in an area. They do this all the time.

Sports are very random. Kickers make 122 kicks in a row and then miss one, which just randomly happens to be the kick that puts them in the championship. Shooters are 80% from the free throw line and then miss both, which just happens to be at the end of the game down by one. Teams go undefeated or have best record in the league and lose in the first of playoffs. It’s weird. Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. MSU made two zany plays to win games in 2022. Windshield. MSU didn’t get the call and had an XP blocked in 2023. Bug. Better finish by a lesser team in 2022. All kinds of random. Doesn’t always follow the script.

I'll just agree to disagree. Your relating specific plays from a season and I am talking about patterns and philosophy. I just feel if game plan is one player dependent you set up for failure if that player is absent. If it is adaptable enough for backup to also succeed the odds are better

I think teams put effort into doing that but the backup may or may not come in and play well so how they play may not be reflective of how much effort a coaching staff put into getting the player ready. Any player can be lights out in practice and then not perform well in a particular game. You either have or don’t have good depth at a position but there’s no guarantee that good depth is going to pay off on a particular day. Every team in the country works hard at getting good depth, especially at quarterback, across the board.

[catatac]

I hope that not trying to go after a portal QB with playing experience won’t come back to bite us in the ass this season. If Tommy can stay 100% all season, I think it won’t matter but if he misses any time because of injuries, I think we are going to regret not having someone that is game ready.

Yeah, we really need a highly touted portal QB like Sam Vidlak. Have a little faith in our coaches and current players, if they aren't going after portal QBs there's a good reason for that decision.

This is exactly correct. We don't know the extent of the QB-room talent and potential (depth). The coaches do...

I'll stand by my statement - the QB room will NOT be the thing that keeps the team from returning to Frisco.

The problem will be on the other side of the ball...

Where do you see the problems being on the defense?

Yep.

I think he meant, specifically what about the defense do you think might be suspect? I have a feeling the 2024 BOBCAT DEFENSE is going to be rock solid. We'll see.

Team will score in bunches. But, getting stops at key moments against elite opponents is the key. The secondary is my biggest concern at this point. Elite BSC receivers - not to mention those from the Dakotas- will be a problem. Gonna have to get consistent pressure on QBs to solve the other half of the equation. Can the cats?

Additionally, last year we were not an elite red zone defense. That has to improve.

Those are my concerns.

I highly doubt teams are going to "Score in bunches" against this 2024 defense. From what I'm hearing, the 2024 defense should be better than 2023, despite losing Seabass. Not just because Daly is taking over, although I do think we are going to see an improvement to the fierceness in how they play. All that said, last year's defense was pretty damn good. The Cats lost four games, to literally the four best teams in the nation. In those losses, opponents scored 20, 24, 20, 35, and 37 points. In all those losses, I'd probably only consider one game where we got scored on in bunches, and that was in our flop in Missoula. Ya, giving up 37 points in a game doesn't fel great, but it's not like it was 55 points or anything.

[Justwinbaby]

My post is poorly worded...

I meant Cats will score points in bunches...

[profisme]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

[Justwinbaby]

I hope that not trying to go after a portal QB with playing experience won’t come back to bite us in the ass this season. If Tommy can stay 100% all season, I think it won’t matter but if he misses any time because of injuries, I think we are going to regret not having someone that is game ready.

Yeah, we really need a highly touted portal QB like Sam Vidlak. Have a little faith in our coaches and current players, if they aren't going after portal QBs there's a good reason for that decision.

This is exactly correct. We don't know the extent of the QB-room talent and potential (depth). The coaches do...

I'll stand by my statement - the QB room will NOT be the thing that keeps the team from returning to Frisco.

The problem will be on the other side of the ball...

Where do you see the problems being on the defense?

Yep.

I think he meant, specifically what about the defense do you think might be suspect? I have a feeling the 2024 BOBCAT DEFENSE is going to be rock solid. We'll see.

Team will score in bunches. But, getting stops at key moments against elite opponents is the key. The secondary is my biggest concern at this point. Elite BSC receivers - not to mention those from the Dakotas- will be a problem. Gonna have to get consistent pressure on QBs to solve the other half of the equation. Can the cats?

Additionally, last year we were not an elite red zone defense. That has to improve.

Those are my concerns.

I highly doubt teams are going to "Score in bunches" against this 2024 defense. From what I'm hearing, the 2024 defense should be better than 2023, despite losing Seabass. Not just because Daly is taking over, although I do think we are going to see an improvement to the fierceness in how they play. All that said, last year's defense was pretty damn good. The Cats lost four games, to literally the four best teams in the nation. In those losses, opponents scored 20, 24, 20, 35, and 37 points. In all those losses, I'd probably only consider one game where we got scored on in bunches, and that was in our flop in Missoula. Ya, giving up 37 points in a game doesn't fel great, but it's not like it was 55 points or anything.

My post is poorly worded...

I meant Cats will score points in bunches...

[catatac]

Gotchya - well that I agree with!

[BelligerentBobcat]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

He was second on the team in rushing attempts.

[profisme]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

He was second on the team in rushing attempts.

Yes, to Deshawn Wynn who only attempted 143 rushes that year. Leak had nearly as many rushing attempts as Tebow and nearly 10 times as many passing attempts. As I said, Tebow was almost exclusively used in short-yardage rushing situations just like Chambers was for a period of time. But at no point in Chris Leak's senior year was he not the starting QB. He started all 4 years of his career and when he graduated, Tebow took over full time.