Moving up

[damnyoutuesday]

Just watched 365 Sports and their guest today is a writer for a San Diego newspaper who said SDSU is probably locked in with the MWC for at least two more years now. What can Montana State do in the next two years to position itself to be ready if the MWC comes calling? And to be clear, I used to be against the idea of moving up but have warmed up to the idea in recent years.

Add sports (probably women's soccer)
Increase stadium capacity (30K would probably have to be the minimum)
Indoor practice facility
Heated field
Larger visiting locker space
Fieldhouse renovation
Would need more eyeballs watching/interested in watching our games
Probably a full service hotel with adequate ballroom facilities for visiting teams somewhere in Bozeman (some teams stay in Big Sky for this reason)
National championship in football

[AFCAT]

Just watched 365 Sports and their guest today is a writer for a San Diego newspaper who said SDSU is probably locked in with the MWC for at least two more years now. What can Montana State do in the next two years to position itself to be ready if the MWC comes calling? And to be clear, I used to be against the idea of moving up but have warmed up to the idea in recent years.

Add sports (probably women's soccer)
Increase stadium capacity (30K would probably have to be the minimum)
Indoor practice facility
Heated field
Larger visiting locker space
Fieldhouse renovation
Would need more eyeballs watching/interested in watching our games
Probably a full service hotel with adequate ballroom facilities for visiting teams somewhere in Bozeman (some teams stay in Big Sky for this reason)
National championship in football

You forgot;

Win the mega millions jackpot tonight.

[Catprint]

UC Davis has the highest revenue in the conference ($44.2 million) which is above Utah State ($43.1m) and SJSU ($39m) in the MWC. The second is Cal Poly at $37.1 million, and then Sac at $35.9.

UC Davis has $25.5 million in student fee revenue, which is pretty much the same as NAU's entire revenue, and greater than entire revenue for Idaho, UNC, PSU, Weber, EWU and ISU.

The high revenue amount is a product of the size of their enrollment and the student fee buried in Californias high cost of tuition. Tuition at Cal Davis is $40,000 per year for in-state.

Not that it really matters but....UCD In-state tuition is around $14,600. About 80% of the students are in-state. Out of State is another story.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/un ... davis-1313

[Cat Grad]

UC Davis has the highest revenue in the conference ($44.2 million) which is above Utah State ($43.1m) and SJSU ($39m) in the MWC. The second is Cal Poly at $37.1 million, and then Sac at $35.9.

UC Davis has $25.5 million in student fee revenue, which is pretty much the same as NAU's entire revenue, and greater than entire revenue for Idaho, UNC, PSU, Weber, EWU and ISU.

The high revenue amount is a product of the size of their enrollment and the student fee buried in Californias high cost of tuition. Tuition at Cal Davis is $40,000 per year for in-state.

Not that it really matters but....UCD In-state tuition is around $14,600. About 80% of the students are in-state. Out of State is another story.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/un ... davis-1313

One really ought to go to the school's web site for accurate (at least somewhat) facts and data.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/admissions/cost

Having put all my children through school for at least their bachelor's, I don't care to discuss the cost of an education at this point. Buried in all this are little things called fees. Compare MSU's activity fee to the rest of the the colleges. Up front, it looks like Rocky or Carroll are expensive, but their financial aide personnel are extraordinary and actual out of pocket checks are smaller than most public schools. U.C. Davis is expensive, don't kid yourself.

[Montanabob]

UC Davis has the highest revenue in the conference ($44.2 million) which is above Utah State ($43.1m) and SJSU ($39m) in the MWC. The second is Cal Poly at $37.1 million, and then Sac at $35.9.

UC Davis has $25.5 million in student fee revenue, which is pretty much the same as NAU's entire revenue, and greater than entire revenue for Idaho, UNC, PSU, Weber, EWU and ISU.

The high revenue amount is a product of the size of their enrollment and the student fee buried in Californias high cost of tuition. Tuition at Cal Davis is $40,000 per year for in-state.

Not that it really matters but....UCD In-state tuition is around $14,600. About 80% of the students are in-state. Out of State is another story.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/un ... davis-1313

One really ought to go to the school's web site for accurate (at least somewhat) facts and data.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/admissions/cost

Having put all my children through school for at least their bachelor's, I don't care to discuss the cost of an education at this point. Buried in all this are little things called fees. Compare MSU's activity fee to the rest of the the colleges. Up front, it looks like Rocky or Carroll are expensive, but their financial aide personnel are extraordinary and actual out of pocket checks are smaller than most public schools. U.C. Davis is expensive, don't kid yourself.

and my daughter went to UC Irvine and was a cali scholarship

[PHAT CAT]

University of Colorado leaving the PAC 12. Going back to the BIG 12. Shake Rattle and Roll. Things getting funky out there.

[Cat Grad]

University of Colorado leaving the PAC 12. Going back to the BIG 12. Shake Rattle and Roll. Things getting funky out there.

Really makes sense, as does this:

https://themw.com/news/2023/7/6/big-12- ... iance.aspx

[cats2506]

University of Colorado leaving the PAC 12. Going back to the BIG 12. Shake Rattle and Roll. Things getting funky out there.

Really makes sense, as does this:

https://themw.com/news/2023/7/6/big-12- ... iance.aspx

It does make a lot of sense, I wish the BSC had been included

[Cataholic]

If the PAC 12 was a publicly traded organization, it is safe to say their management would be looking for new jobs with this latest defection.

https://sports.yahoo.com/pac-12-says-it ... 46687.html

[GoCats18]

NDSU should be the next team to move up.

[Lord Vigo]

NDSU should be the next team to move up.

The exodus of the really good FCS programs, like NDSU, into the FBS is what has tipped me over the edge into hoping that MSU can switch.

I think the FCS is objectively a better system. I love the playoff format. I really don't like the idea of playing at a level where there's no realistic hope for a championship.

But winning an FCS championship is itself cheapened if all of the legit programs are gone. It would be hard to get too terribly excited about a national title if the Cats had to go through, say, Davidson, Elon, SE Louisiana, and Samford to get there.

[grizzh8r]

NDSU should be the next team to move up.

The exodus of the really good FCS programs, like NDSU, into the FBS is what has tipped me over the edge into hoping that MSU can switch.

I think the FCS is objectively a better system. I love the playoff format. I really don't like the idea of playing at a level where there's no realistic hope for a championship.

But winning an FCS championship is itself cheapened if all of the legit programs are gone. It would be hard to get too terribly excited about a national title if the Cats had to go through, say, Davidson, Elon, SE Louisiana, and Samford to get there.

Completely agree.

[CelticCat]

NDSU should be the next team to move up.

The exodus of the really good FCS programs, like NDSU, into the FBS is what has tipped me over the edge into hoping that MSU can switch.

I think the FCS is objectively a better system. I love the playoff format. I really don't like the idea of playing at a level where there's no realistic hope for a championship.

But winning an FCS championship is itself cheapened if all of the legit programs are gone. It would be hard to get too terribly excited about a national title if the Cats had to go through, say, Davidson, Elon, SE Louisiana, and Samford to get there.

This is where I land. The FCS used to have some pretty "big time" schools, and it wasn't that long ago. App State, Georgia Southern, JMU, Jacksonville State all had great tradition and fairly large fanbases. Then you have schools that didn't have a ton of fans but had strong programs, like SHSU.

I mean look at all the FCS teams since 2000 who either dropped down or dropped football - Cal State Northridge, Saint John's (NY), Canisius, Fairfiled, Morris BRown, Siena, Saint Mary's (CA), Saint Peter's, La Salle, Iona, Northeastern, Hofstra, Winstom-Salem State, Texas-San Antonio, Savannah State, Jacksonville.

The FCS is and has been a league where maybe 25% of the members try and spend resources to win, and the rest just sort of have a football program just to have one, or to offer students a way to pay for school, etc. Look at my list above of teams who have dropped their program, just an example of how serious some schools take football at this level. I mean how many schools don't even offer scholarships?

The FCS is a fine level and it exists for a reason, but more and more the number of teams who give a sh*t is shrinking. I didn't feel this way 10 years ago, not even really 5 years ago. All of his realignment has changed my tune.

[Lord Vigo]

This is where I land. The FCS used to have some pretty "big time" schools, and it wasn't that long ago. App State, Georgia Southern, JMU, Jacksonville State all had great tradition and fairly large fanbases. Then you have schools that didn't have a ton of fans but had strong programs, like SHSU.

I mean look at all the FCS teams since 2000 who either dropped down or dropped football - Cal State Northridge, Saint John's (NY), Canisius, Fairfiled, Morris BRown, Siena, Saint Mary's (CA), Saint Peter's, La Salle, Iona, Northeastern, Hofstra, Winstom-Salem State, Texas-San Antonio, Savannah State, Jacksonville.

The FCS is and has been a league where maybe 25% of the members try and spend resources to win, and the rest just sort of have a football program just to have one, or to offer students a way to pay for school, etc. Look at my list above of teams who have dropped their program, just an example of how serious some schools take football at this level. I mean how many schools don't even offer scholarships?

The FCS is a fine level and it exists for a reason, but more and more the number of teams who give a sh*t is shrinking. I didn't feel this way 10 years ago, not even really 5 years ago. All of his realignment has changed my tune.

Completely agree.

In a perfect world, the FBS of the future would effectively split, with the "Power 5" (or 4 or 3 or however it shakes out) having one playoff, and the rest of the FBS having another. MSU would still have its work cut out for it competing at a level with former Big 12 or PAC 12 programs, but it would be a much more attainable goal than thinking they could ever topple an Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc.

[coloradocat]

If schools could be D2 for football and D1 for all other sports I wonder how many FCS teams would go this route? 90% of teams have absolutely no shot at a national championship and a good share of them don't even have a legit shot at a conference title.

In my ideal world this would be available and most teams would take it while the top 10-15% of the FCS would combine with the G5 and the P5 (probably P4 soon) would split off. The 3 remaining levels would consist of teams were they belong rather than where they are for financial/athletics-wide reasons.

[Justwinbaby]

NDSU should be the next team to move up.

The exodus of the really good FCS programs, like NDSU, into the FBS is what has tipped me over the edge into hoping that MSU can switch.

I think the FCS is objectively a better system. I love the playoff format. I really don't like the idea of playing at a level where there's no realistic hope for a championship.

But winning an FCS championship is itself cheapened if all of the legit programs are gone. It would be hard to get too terribly excited about a national title if the Cats had to go through, say, Davidson, Elon, SE Louisiana, and Samford to get there.

This is where I land. The FCS used to have some pretty "big time" schools, and it wasn't that long ago. App State, Georgia Southern, JMU, Jacksonville State all had great tradition and fairly large fanbases. Then you have schools that didn't have a ton of fans but had strong programs, like SHSU.

I mean look at all the FCS teams since 2000 who either dropped down or dropped football - Cal State Northridge, Saint John's (NY), Canisius, Fairfiled, Morris BRown, Siena, Saint Mary's (CA), Saint Peter's, La Salle, Iona, Northeastern, Hofstra, Winstom-Salem State, Texas-San Antonio, Savannah State, Jacksonville.

The FCS is and has been a league where maybe 25% of the members try and spend resources to win, and the rest just sort of have a football program just to have one, or to offer students a way to pay for school, etc. Look at my list above of teams who have dropped their program, just an example of how serious some schools take football at this level. I mean how many schools don't even offer scholarships?

The FCS is a fine level and it exists for a reason, but more and more the number of teams who give a sh*t is shrinking. I didn't feel this way 10 years ago, not even really 5 years ago. All of his realignment has changed my tune.

UTSA - Texas San Antonio moved up. Will likely win their conference this year...

[Cataholic]

What an unbelievable case of mismanagement by the Pac-12. And this could make our chance of joining the MWC less likely. Why in the world did the Pac 12 not grab San Diego and Colorado State earlier? Now they face potentially being completely eliminated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-te ... 34989.html

[rivercat]

What an unbelievable case of mismanagement by the Pac-12. And this could make our chance of joining the MWC less likely. Why in the world did the Pac 12 not grab San Diego and Colorado State earlier? Now they face potentially being completely eliminated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-te ... 34989.html

Pride goeth before the fall.

ASU, UA, and Utah will follow Colorado to the Big 12. Pac will fold and WSU and OSU will go to the MWC.

[BleedingBLue]

What an unbelievable case of mismanagement by the Pac-12. And this could make our chance of joining the MWC less likely. Why in the world did the Pac 12 not grab San Diego and Colorado State earlier? Now they face potentially being completely eliminated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-te ... 34989.html

Pride goeth before the fall.

ASU, UA, and Utah will follow Colorado to the Big 12. Pac will fold and WSU and OSU will go to the MWC.

Rumors are Utah has been less than conversational with the Big 12 thus far. As a Utah fan, I will be extremely disappointed if they don't move and continue being cold toward the conference. Would be the dumbest thing a school has done thus far. I do know BYU still holds a grudge against Utah for not going to bat for them when Utah moved to the Pac-12, and has done nothing to help Utah's case in moving. The Holy War is real.

[NavyBlue]

What an unbelievable case of mismanagement by the Pac-12. And this could make our chance of joining the MWC less likely. Why in the world did the Pac 12 not grab San Diego and Colorado State earlier? Now they face potentially being completely eliminated.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-te ... 34989.html

Pride goeth before the fall.

ASU, UA, and Utah will follow Colorado to the Big 12. Pac will fold and WSU and OSU will go to the MWC.

Rumors are Utah has been less than conversational with the Big 12 thus far. As a Utah fan, I will be extremely disappointed if they don't move and continue being cold toward the conference. Would be the dumbest thing a school has done thus far. I do know BYU still holds a grudeg against Utah for not going to bat for them when Utah moved to the Pac-12, and has done nothing to help Utah's case in moving. The Holy War is real.

It had nothing to do with Utah not going to bat for BYU. Cal and Stanford were never ever going to allow BYU in their conference. Utah will move to the Big 12 if the Pac implodes. Too bad, I wanted the Pac to survive in hopes they would grab some teams from the MWC to backfill, so the Cats and Griz may end up in the MWC. It is starting to look like like the Pac will be gone and the MWC may pick up WSU and OSU.