QB Update

[MTCat75]

Ya all sound like a bunch of teenage school kids.
None of us know jack s--- about the progress ANY of the players have made or will make this summer.
It is time to get over yourselves and let this die the death it needs to.

[Grizaddict]

You guys are missing the point. We have WAY too much negativity on the board. I made a positive comment about a recruit and the first comment is that he is too short for P5. WTF? Same thing with Rovig.

And Vim has clearly earned credibility on this board, but why do you think he is 5’11”? Almost all the services have him listed at 6’0” or 6’1”. ESPN shows 5’10” but that could be old as they also have him listed playing at his previous high school where he played as a Sophomore: Lake Gibson. He played and graduated from Lakeland.

Gato: A positive point would have been “He was first team all conference (which he was)”. A negative point is “he was too short”. Do you see the difference?

I would suggest you grow some thicker skin so that perfectly benign comments don't send you spiraling into a tantrum about what people may or may not post.

Tantrum? I thought it was pretty well presented. but hey, Grizaddict loves your stuff!

As far as thicker skin, what brought you into this conversation? Maybe you could benefit from your own advice.

You did. Pages ago. When you got upset that I wasn't being positive enough about Rovig.

Everything has to be positive at all times and in all things. It’s the pussaholic way. Must defend the brand at all times!

[Bobcatsinmso]

More like junior high school girls. It really is quite amusing, like a sprinter van full of Portland hipsters stopping by a coffee boutique for a tray of scones and London fogs. Lots of drama when the tray got dropped. Disclaimer...I actually saw this happen the other day in Missoula.

GO Bobcats!

[RobertoGato]

Everything has to be positive at all times and in all things. It’s the pussaholic way. Must defend the brand at all times!

I go on Egriz and the homer over there yells at me for saying Rovig is obviously going to be a better passer than Andersen and then I go on BN and the homer over here yells at me for being doubtful that Rovig is going to be great.

[CelticCat]

More like junior high school girls. It really is quite amusing, like a sprinter van full of Portland hipsters stopping by a coffee boutique for a tray of scones and London fogs. Lots of drama when the tray got dropped. Disclaimer...I actually saw this happen the other day in Missoula.

GO Bobcats!

Hey I like London fogs.

[94VegasCat]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

[Cataholic]

I have been posting here for a couple years and occasionally see a poster that I have never seen before but notice that they have made 2,000+ posts in their profile. I finally understand that they left the board because Bobcatnation has become more of a place to complain than hear about the Bobcats.

[John K]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

I agree completely with this. Exhibit A: Dave Dickenson. Didn't Earle the Pearl think he was too short to be a BSC QB?

[Cataholic]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

I agree completely with this. Exhibit A: Dave Dickenson. Didn't Earle the Pearl think he was too short to be a BSC QB?

I think that 94 Vegas was saying the “too short - too slow” tag should be a non-factor.

[Buckaroo Bonzi]

I have been posting here for a couple years and occasionally see a poster that I have never seen before but notice that they have made 2,000+ posts in their profile. I finally understand that they left the board because Bobcatnation has become more of a place to complain than hear about the Bobcats.

Those that Judge will never understand ...... Those that understand will never Judge . Always thought that was a
pretty good saying.

[catatac]

How tall was Mac Bignell? He turned out OK.

[catgrad05]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

I agree completely with this. Exhibit A: Dave Dickenson. Didn't Earle the Pearl think he was too short to be a BSC QB?

I think that 94 Vegas was saying the “too short - too slow” tag should be a non-factor.

Wouldn’t Jody Owens fall under that label as well? We don’t need NFL measurements at every position to be competitive in the FCS. We do need some NFL body types to be elite but the roster can have some guys that play bigger than they are as well

[VimSince03]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

I agree completely with this. Exhibit A: Dave Dickenson. Didn't Earle the Pearl think he was too short to be a BSC QB?

I think that 94 Vegas was saying the “too short - too slow” tag should be a non-factor.

Wouldn’t Jody Owens fall under that label as well? We don’t need NFL measurements at every position to be competitive in the FCS. We do need some NFL body types to be elite but the roster can have some guys that play bigger than they are as well

No one ever said Jaharie was too short to be competitive in the FCS. In fact, its the opposite. The statement being made is that the primary reason Jaharie fell through the FBS cracks is because he is "too short, too slow" for FBS "measurables". EVERY POSTER agrees he can absolutely play at the FCS level (and likely can play at the FBS level if some school would've gave him a shot). The funny thing about this entire Jaharie discussion is that not one negative comment has been said about him and the general consensus is that our fan base is very excited about getting a kid of his character and ability from Florida. Now the discussion has turned into "some posters kind of said Jaharie is too short and slow to play at MSU (they didn't) and now I'm going to list off all the other athletes who overcame "measurable bias" to later dominate at their school."

To move the discussion forward on what the OP thread is about (QB update), we all agree that Jaharie is one of the top prospects in our 2019 signing class and we were fortunate to get him out of Florida...a state that produces elite football talent year in and year out. FBS schools are constantly trying to get an edge in recruiting so they miss on kids like Jaharie every year because of the "too short, too slow" narrative. Selflishly, I hope FBS schools continue to employ that bias because its one of the primary reasons FCS schools get talented, underrated football players like Jaharie. Now I just hope it all pans out and he becomes one of the greatest MLBs MSU has ever had.

[bobcat99]

Thank you Vim for the voice of rationality.

[Cataholic]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

I agree completely with this. Exhibit A: Dave Dickenson. Didn't Earle the Pearl think he was too short to be a BSC QB?

I think that 94 Vegas was saying the “too short - too slow” tag should be a non-factor.

Wouldn’t Jody Owens fall under that label as well? We don’t need NFL measurements at every position to be competitive in the FCS. We do need some NFL body types to be elite but the roster can have some guys that play bigger than they are as well

No one ever said Jaharie was too short to be competitive in the FCS. In fact, its the opposite. The statement being made is that the primary reason Jaharie fell through the FBS cracks is because he is "too short, too slow" for FBS "measurables". EVERY POSTER agrees he can absolutely play at the FCS level (and likely can play at the FBS level if some school would've gave him a shot). The funny thing about this entire Jaharie discussion is that not one negative comment has been said about him and the general consensus is that our fan base is very excited about getting a kid of his character and ability from Florida. Now the discussion has turned into "some posters kind of said Jaharie is too short and slow to play at MSU (they didn't) and now I'm going to list off all the other athletes who overcame "measurable bias" to later dominate at their school."

To move the discussion forward on what the OP thread is about (QB update), we all agree that Jaharie is one of the top prospects in our 2019 signing class and we were fortunate to get him out of Florida...a state that produces elite football talent year in and year out. FBS schools are constantly trying to get an edge in recruiting so they miss on kids like Jaharie every year because of the "too short, too slow" narrative. Selflishly, I hope FBS schools continue to employ that bias because its one of the primary reasons FCS schools get talented, underrated football players like Jaharie. Now I just hope it all pans out and he becomes one of the greatest MLBs MSU has ever had.

You are overlooking one major point. The vast majority of recruiting services have Jaharie listed at 6’ or 6’1”. One poster said he is shorter and started this whole stupid debate. ESPN had 5’10” listed, but it was when Jaharie was younger and played at a different school. My point is simple: Maybe we should be a little careful about what we post about these kids, especially when it is negative.

[Grizaddict]

Everything has to be positive at all times and in all things. It’s the pussaholic way. Must defend the brand at all times!

I go on Egriz and the homer over there yells at me for saying Rovig is obviously going to be a better passer than Andersen and then I go on BN and the homer over here yells at me for being doubtful that Rovig is going to be great.

It’s a no win. That’s why you just go with “defending the brand” whenever in doubt. Seems like as long as you don’t ever question anything and just be positive about all things at all times, regardless of situation, then you’ll pass the BN test. I mean especially here on a message board. These things weren’t built for varying opinions, thoughts, or ideas, unless of course you defend the brand in doing so!

Btw, I think Rovig will be a much better passer than TA but not as close to a runner so it will kind of even out. Ifanse is a beast and I love all about him that I’ve seen but now he’ll get keyed on a lot more. Will be interesting to see how he responds.

[catatac]

Everything has to be positive at all times and in all things. It’s the pussaholic way. Must defend the brand at all times!

I go on Egriz and the homer over there yells at me for saying Rovig is obviously going to be a better passer than Andersen and then I go on BN and the homer over here yells at me for being doubtful that Rovig is going to be great.

It’s a no win. That’s why you just go with “defending the brand” whenever in doubt. Seems like as long as you don’t ever question anything and just be positive about all things at all times, regardless of situation, then you’ll pass the BN test. I mean especially here on a message board. These things weren’t built for varying opinions, thoughts, or ideas, unless of course you defend the brand in doing so!

Btw, I think Rovig will be a much better passer than TA but not as close to a runner so it will kind of even out. Ifanse is a beast and I love all about him that I’ve seen but now he’ll get keyed on a lot more. Will be interesting to see how he responds.

I think opposing teams are going to have problems defending our running game. Not just because of our veteran O Line and Ifanse, but because we have so many additional proven weapons back there, Jones, Andersen, Sumner,etc, RBs will be able to stay fresh in the 4th Q.

[VimSince03]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

I agree completely with this. Exhibit A: Dave Dickenson. Didn't Earle the Pearl think he was too short to be a BSC QB?

I think that 94 Vegas was saying the “too short - too slow” tag should be a non-factor.

Wouldn’t Jody Owens fall under that label as well? We don’t need NFL measurements at every position to be competitive in the FCS. We do need some NFL body types to be elite but the roster can have some guys that play bigger than they are as well

No one ever said Jaharie was too short to be competitive in the FCS. In fact, its the opposite. The statement being made is that the primary reason Jaharie fell through the FBS cracks is because he is "too short, too slow" for FBS "measurables". EVERY POSTER agrees he can absolutely play at the FCS level (and likely can play at the FBS level if some school would've gave him a shot). The funny thing about this entire Jaharie discussion is that not one negative comment has been said about him and the general consensus is that our fan base is very excited about getting a kid of his character and ability from Florida. Now the discussion has turned into "some posters kind of said Jaharie is too short and slow to play at MSU (they didn't) and now I'm going to list off all the other athletes who overcame "measurable bias" to later dominate at their school."

To move the discussion forward on what the OP thread is about (QB update), we all agree that Jaharie is one of the top prospects in our 2019 signing class and we were fortunate to get him out of Florida...a state that produces elite football talent year in and year out. FBS schools are constantly trying to get an edge in recruiting so they miss on kids like Jaharie every year because of the "too short, too slow" narrative. Selflishly, I hope FBS schools continue to employ that bias because its one of the primary reasons FCS schools get talented, underrated football players like Jaharie. Now I just hope it all pans out and he becomes one of the greatest MLBs MSU has ever had.

You are overlooking one major point. The vast majority of recruiting services have Jaharie listed at 6’ or 6’1”. One poster said he is shorter and started this whole stupid debate. ESPN had 5’10” listed, but it was when Jaharie was younger and played at a different school. My point is simple: Maybe we should be a little careful about what we post about these kids, especially when it is negative.

It wasn't negative...you took it as negative.

[utucats]

15+ years ago, my uncle was coaching football in Las Vegas. He had a kid that “was too short and too slow” to draw interest from ANY Big Sky Conference Coach. My uncle called every coaching connection he had. The kid ultimately walked on at UNLV. Jamaal Brimmer was the Mountain West Defensive MVP multiple times during his tenure at UNLV.

I get so tired of the “too short too slow” BS. Altuve is another great example.

J Martin has won plenty of accolades despite his obvious shortcomings.

LETS GO CATS.

FTG

I agree completely with this. Exhibit A: Dave Dickenson. Didn't Earle the Pearl think he was too short to be a BSC QB?

I think that 94 Vegas was saying the “too short - too slow” tag should be a non-factor.

Wouldn’t Jody Owens fall under that label as well? We don’t need NFL measurements at every position to be competitive in the FCS. We do need some NFL body types to be elite but the roster can have some guys that play bigger than they are as well

No one ever said Jaharie was too short to be competitive in the FCS. In fact, its the opposite. The statement being made is that the primary reason Jaharie fell through the FBS cracks is because he is "too short, too slow" for FBS "measurables". EVERY POSTER agrees he can absolutely play at the FCS level (and likely can play at the FBS level if some school would've gave him a shot). The funny thing about this entire Jaharie discussion is that not one negative comment has been said about him and the general consensus is that our fan base is very excited about getting a kid of his character and ability from Florida. Now the discussion has turned into "some posters kind of said Jaharie is too short and slow to play at MSU (they didn't) and now I'm going to list off all the other athletes who overcame "measurable bias" to later dominate at their school."

To move the discussion forward on what the OP thread is about (QB update), we all agree that Jaharie is one of the top prospects in our 2019 signing class and we were fortunate to get him out of Florida...a state that produces elite football talent year in and year out. FBS schools are constantly trying to get an edge in recruiting so they miss on kids like Jaharie every year because of the "too short, too slow" narrative. Selflishly, I hope FBS schools continue to employ that bias because its one of the primary reasons FCS schools get talented, underrated football players like Jaharie. Now I just hope it all pans out and he becomes one of the greatest MLBs MSU has ever had.

You are overlooking one major point. The vast majority of recruiting services have Jaharie listed at 6’ or 6’1”. One poster said he is shorter and started this whole stupid debate. ESPN had 5’10” listed, but it was when Jaharie was younger and played at a different school. My point is simple: Maybe we should be a little careful about what we post about these kids, especially when it is negative.

We should be careful when we post about someone’s height?? Man, your definition of negative is something else.

So the worry is that a kid reads these comments and gets sad because someone speculated that he may be 2 inches shorter than he really is. If that is actually a worry it is going to be a long season of getting our feelings hurt and asses kicked.

For some reason multiple posters have adopted this idea that anything posted on here means something. It is just people’s opinions and a way for fans to talk about the Cats. We don’t need to be careful what we say. If you can’t handle reading hard hitting critiques of your game like “he floats his passes” or “I think he’s shorter than the program lists him at” then quit football and lock yourself in your basement.

[codecat]

I have been posting here for a couple years and occasionally see a poster that I have never seen before but notice that they have made 2,000+ posts in their profile. I finally understand that they left the board because Bobcatnation has become more of a place to complain than hear about the Bobcats.

Those that Judge will never understand ...... Those that understand will never Judge . Always thought that was a
pretty good saying.

One of my favorites is...If you complain people about being negative, aren't you adding to the negativity?