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[TomCat88]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

vs SDSU (via team website box score)

Eiden: 1.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Parsons: 2 TFL, 1 sack
Eckert: 1 TFL, 1 sack
Crews: 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Brott: 0.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All LBs: 1.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All DBs: 0 TFL, 0 sacks
DL sacks: 4
DB pbus: 3

The defense held SDSU to 3.1 YPC and the only rushing TD was by the QB. Sure, they could have been better, but they were also playing a great team. Can't pile up stats on everyone.

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which on is it? you are using the same basic stat to say two different things, lol. i stated multiple times that i'm not down on the dl but for them to be a strength they were not a deciding force for our defense. the lbs and dbs are playing better than they are. size is means little on the edge your ability matters most. i know for a fact that mcmillan has a 48" vertical, i've seen him being about 1-2" shorter windmill dunk off two feet, he isn't getting big boyed in the endzone, now he didn't get out experienced in that he was pulled down on the td and he was expecting that, you could see in his reaction after the td that hew as looking for a flag...but because of the kid he is, he stopped owned it and walked to the huddle. they have tackled fine....again if your dbs are being charged to be deciding forces in the run game your defensive scheme is bad, actually it's terrible. they have missed few tackled and have showed up with force multiple times.

again the dl has seen two really good ols. i felt they would be more of a factor based off the hype around what they were supposed to be, i am more impressed with other positions than the dl. i just feel they need to be what we all think she are. again we can agree to disagree on what we see...i could careless about stats, i'm watching the game and i know what i see.

If I delete the part about ypc will you address the real substance of the post: the fact that you lied about the DBs having more TFLs than the DL? Zero isn't a very big number. We all understand where you are coming from but you don't need to run down another position group to prop up your guys.

I think he just got mixed up because the 3.1 number was conflating unto itself due to multiple applications. 3.1 is what MSU held SDSU to and 3.1 is what SDSU allowed per carry on the season in 2024, not this game as I think he got twisted around.

A lot of fans are really bent out of shape perhaps prematurely. But maybe not, Idk. I just think you have to keep in mind that a) it's hard to win a game, any game. b) the other teams are trying their hardest to win, they aren't playing like the Washington Generals, although MSU has made teams seem like that over the last few years.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

i disagree on the dl..for them to be touted as a strength they have been wildly underwhelming for me. little to no pressure on the qb, dbs have more tfls then they do. now they have seen two really good ols but if we are supposed to be that good, show it.

dl: to be our supposed best unit, hasn't really showed up to me. not a lot of qb pressures, no tfls, los isn't changing. now they have seen two really good ols, so i get it. but they are supposed to be a strength so they need to be a strength no excuses.

vs SDSU (via team website box score)

Eiden: 1.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Parsons: 2 TFL, 1 sack
Eckert: 1 TFL, 1 sack
Crews: 0.5 TFL, 0.5 sacks
Brott: 0.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All LBs: 1.5 TFL, 0 sacks
All DBs: 0 TFL, 0 sacks
DL sacks: 4
DB pbus: 3

The defense held SDSU to 3.1 YPC and the only rushing TD was by the QB. Sure, they could have been better, but they were also playing a great team. Can't pile up stats on everyone.

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which on is it? you are using the same basic stat to say two different things, lol. i stated multiple times that i'm not down on the dl but for them to be a strength they were not a deciding force for our defense. the lbs and dbs are playing better than they are. size is means little on the edge your ability matters most. i know for a fact that mcmillan has a 48" vertical, i've seen him being about 1-2" shorter windmill dunk off two feet, he isn't getting big boyed in the endzone, now he didn't get out experienced in that he was pulled down on the td and he was expecting that, you could see in his reaction after the td that hew as looking for a flag...but because of the kid he is, he stopped owned it and walked to the huddle. they have tackled fine....again if your dbs are being charged to be deciding forces in the run game your defensive scheme is bad, actually it's terrible. they have missed few tackled and have showed up with force multiple times.

again the dl has seen two really good ols. i felt they would be more of a factor based off the hype around what they were supposed to be, i am more impressed with other positions than the dl. i just feel they need to be what we all think she are. again we can agree to disagree on what we see...i could careless about stats, i'm watching the game and i know what i see.

If I delete the part about ypc will you address the real substance of the post: the fact that you lied about the DBs having more TFLs than the DL? Zero isn't a very big number. We all understand where you are coming from but you don't need to run down another position group to prop up your guys.

Ok so the basis of my post was taking 2 games and looking at the play of our dl. In looking at last two games I went back looked at both, there were several tfls that were given to dls that should've went to dbs, and some tfls that were recorded as regular tackles. So in watching the games the first time that's where my statement came from, based off what they recorded as stats...I was wrong. I'm not going to say I lied because I didn't lie, what I saw and what was recorded was different, is what it is.

I didn't tear down any group. I gave my assessment based off what I saw. You don't have to agree, that's fine. What I know is that in watching two games, the dbs out played the dl and the dl was supposed to be solidified as an area of strength. They weren't playing like it... again you don't have agree. That's how I saw it. I saw a group of rs freshman playing at a high level and this was the group everyone was questioning whether they "could play football or are they just fast". If they play bad I'll say it, they haven't to this point. Dl played much better against san Diego...... with all that said I LITERALLY said they'll play better and they saw two really good ols so it's understandable.... but I guess that part was glossed over...

Yall getting caught up in specifics instead of focusing on what I was saying overall....I know everyone here has a huge affinity for the ol and dl, but they hadn't played up to par through the first two games....I stated a fact.... and didn't tear them down to lift up another group... cause point blank their play stands on its own merits..... never in my life have a torn a person down to uplift myself so I would never do it to these young men.....

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which one is it?

MSU averaged 5.0 to 3.1 for SDSU. Both numbers are good considering those are their strengths. SDSU led the MVFC in every major statistical category last year. They held teams to 3.1 yards per carry and 98(?) yards rushing per game. That 3.1 allowed might where the confusion is.

Was it not stated that if you take away the one or two long runs we were around 3ypc? I mean you getting caught up in specifics to argue when the bottom line is we hadn't been running the ball very well, by our standards. So argue about the specifics to try to prove a point but the bottom line is we didn't run the ball very well or efficiently, that's an area we have to get better at....


Please everyone understand I'm the one that said after the Oregon game that we will get things corrected and we'll win the natty this year... after the sdsu game I didn't waiver, so the approach yall are taking to look at the specifics to argue and dismiss the utter fact that the general statements I've made are true is weird at best. But maybe that's what fans do, I dissect football regardless if I like a team or not, I stick to what I see and analyze that... my numbers were off in tfls and ypc...I was incorrect on the specifics, I was wrong.

[TomCat88]

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which one is it?

MSU averaged 5.0 to 3.1 for SDSU. Both numbers are good considering those are their strengths. SDSU led the MVFC in every major statistical category last year. They held teams to 3.1 yards per carry and 98(?) yards rushing per game. That 3.1 allowed might where the confusion is.

Was it not stated that if you take away the one or two long ribs we were around 3ypc? I mean you getting caught up in specifics to argue when the bottom line is we hadn't been running the ball very well, by our standards. So argue about the sociology to try to prove a point but the bottom line is we didn't run the mask very well or efficiently, that's an area we have to get better than....


Please everyone understand I'm the one that said after the Oregon game that we will get things corrected and we'll win the natty this year... after the sdsu game I didn't waiver, so the approach yall are taking to look at the specifics to argue and dismiss the utter fact that the general statements I've made are true is weird at best. But maybe that's what fans do, I dissect football regardless if u like a team or not, I stick what I see and analyze that... my numbers were off in tfls and ypc...I was incorrect on the specifics, I was wrong.

I think if you remove the top two runs from every game, MSU’s ypc will drop about two yards. I enjoy your posts and input.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which one is it?

MSU averaged 5.0 to 3.1 for SDSU. Both numbers are good considering those are their strengths. SDSU led the MVFC in every major statistical category last year. They held teams to 3.1 yards per carry and 98(?) yards rushing per game. That 3.1 allowed might where the confusion is.

Was it not stated that if you take away the one or two long ribs we were around 3ypc? I mean you getting caught up in specifics to argue when the bottom line is we hadn't been running the ball very well, by our standards. So argue about the sociology to try to prove a point but the bottom line is we didn't run the mask very well or efficiently, that's an area we have to get better than....


Please everyone understand I'm the one that said after the Oregon game that we will get things corrected and we'll win the natty this year... after the sdsu game I didn't waiver, so the approach yall are taking to look at the specifics to argue and dismiss the utter fact that the general statements I've made are true is weird at best. But maybe that's what fans do, I dissect football regardless if u like a team or not, I stick what I see and analyze that... my numbers were off in tfls and ypc...I was incorrect on the specifics, I was wrong.

I think if you remove the top two runs from every game, MSU’s ypc will drop about two yards. I enjoy your posts and input.

I would tend to disagree once again. Most games we are churning out yds at a good rate regardless of the long runs. This year we've seen two good teams and it looked different. I would even say post san diego it still looks a bit different than what we're used to.

Iappreciate the kind words....I enjoy reading your posts as well.

[MSU01]

so sdsu have 3.1 ypc and we think that is a good job for our defense....conversely we are saying that our offense had the same ypc and we are saying they didn't do good. which one is it?

MSU averaged 5.0 to 3.1 for SDSU. Both numbers are good considering those are their strengths. SDSU led the MVFC in every major statistical category last year. They held teams to 3.1 yards per carry and 98(?) yards rushing per game. That 3.1 allowed might where the confusion is.

Was it not stated that if you take away the one or two long ribs we were around 3ypc? I mean you getting caught up in specifics to argue when the bottom line is we hadn't been running the ball very well, by our standards. So argue about the sociology to try to prove a point but the bottom line is we didn't run the mask very well or efficiently, that's an area we have to get better than....


Please everyone understand I'm the one that said after the Oregon game that we will get things corrected and we'll win the natty this year... after the sdsu game I didn't waiver, so the approach yall are taking to look at the specifics to argue and dismiss the utter fact that the general statements I've made are true is weird at best. But maybe that's what fans do, I dissect football regardless if u like a team or not, I stick what I see and analyze that... my numbers were off in tfls and ypc...I was incorrect on the specifics, I was wrong.

I think if you remove the top two runs from every game, MSU’s ypc will drop about two yards. I enjoy your posts and input.

I would tend to disagree once again. Most games we are churning out yds at a good rate regardless of the long runs. This year we've seen two good teams and it looked different. I would even say post san diego it still looks a bit different than what we're used to.

Iappreciate the kind words....I enjoy reading your posts as well.

It's pretty easy to actually do the math on this. 2024 Cat/Griz for example, MSU had 52 rushes for 336 yards and a 6.3 YPC. If you take out their two longest runs of 88 and 26 yards by Adam Jones, it's 50 rushes for 222 yards and a 4.4 YPC...the decrease, 1.9 or hey look at that, about two yards.