Pro Day and Draft Prospects

[RICO CAT]

Just curious what the pro day numbers were for Cam Miller?

Thanks

Also, was a little surprised at Bergens pro day.

32" vertical
9'03' Broad
4.82 40
4.32 shuttle

He only measured 6007 (thats under 6'1") and RAS was 6.09 (not great)

These for a QB are not a death nail due to the position but when your a fringe prospect they most certainly don't help.

4.82 40 and not one of our defenders could catch him on that F&^*$&*% run play? Ya... still bitter.

I yelled QB run before the ball was snapped (I have witnesses). Tommy was right. The best team did not win. That game will haunt me for a very, very long time.

I feel you. That play, so early on, was a kick in the nuts and really put us on our heels more than any other as far as I’m concerned.

[JoeCatsJoe]

I don’t like being a Debbie Downer, but man we farted away an excellent chance to win a championship. That was definitely a more beatable NDSU championship team than some of their previous teams. And that was the most talented MSU team possibly ever. If we can’t win that one, that makes me a lot less optimistic that we can beat them in the future. I can’t help but have a foreboding feeling that in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years I’ll look back on this past season with a wistful shake of my head. I hope so much that’s not the case, but that felt like the chance to tug on Superman’s cape. NDSU’s momentum is far from slowing down, as shown by how much better, at least to my eyes, they kept their top players. That felt like the closest we will be in a long time. I’d absolutely love to be wrong. But that game will haunt me till we get over the hump, which might be awhile.

[technoCat]

I don’t like being a Debbie Downer, but man we farted away an excellent chance to win a championship. That was definitely a more beatable NDSU championship team than some of their previous teams. And that was the most talented MSU team possibly ever. If we can’t win that one, that makes me a lot less optimistic that we can beat them in the future. I can’t help but have a foreboding feeling that in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years I’ll look back on this past season with a wistful shake of my head. I hope so much that’s not the case, but that felt like the chance to tug on Superman’s cape. NDSU’s momentum is far from slowing down, as shown by how much better, at least to my eyes, they kept their top players. That felt like the closest we will be in a long time. I’d absolutely love to be wrong. But that game will haunt me till we get over the hump, which might be awhile.

Absolutely how I felt after the game and still do. Almost a guarantee they will be a top seed with how hard the other contenders in the MVFC got hit this year.

[autocat]

I don’t like being a Debbie Downer, but man we farted away an excellent chance to win a championship. That was definitely a more beatable NDSU championship team than some of their previous teams. And that was the most talented MSU team possibly ever. If we can’t win that one, that makes me a lot less optimistic that we can beat them in the future. I can’t help but have a foreboding feeling that in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years I’ll look back on this past season with a wistful shake of my head. I hope so much that’s not the case, but that felt like the chance to tug on Superman’s cape. NDSU’s momentum is far from slowing down, as shown by how much better, at least to my eyes, they kept their top players. That felt like the closest we will be in a long time. I’d absolutely love to be wrong. But that game will haunt me till we get over the hump, which might be awhile.

Didn’t utilize Tommy in the first half offensively it was way too “vanilla” needed more Neapolitan

[catatac]

I don’t like being a Debbie Downer, but man we farted away an excellent chance to win a championship. That was definitely a more beatable NDSU championship team than some of their previous teams. And that was the most talented MSU team possibly ever. If we can’t win that one, that makes me a lot less optimistic that we can beat them in the future. I can’t help but have a foreboding feeling that in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years I’ll look back on this past season with a wistful shake of my head. I hope so much that’s not the case, but that felt like the chance to tug on Superman’s cape. NDSU’s momentum is far from slowing down, as shown by how much better, at least to my eyes, they kept their top players. That felt like the closest we will be in a long time. I’d absolutely love to be wrong. But that game will haunt me till we get over the hump, which might be awhile.

Yep, 100% how I feel. I don't mean to pile on with the "Debbie Downer" attitude but come Fall, I will see what the bets look like but I will probably put money down on NDSU and\or SDSU against the field to win it all again. Most likely NDSU, will win it all again.

[cat-o-nine]

I also don't want to be a Debbie Downer about our chances against NDSU, but if they can keep their offensive lineman from transferring out, which is obviously the case, and they can recruit based on their NFL draft record from that position group, they are going to be hard to ever get past. They had an OL go in the first-round tonight. Incredible. Meanwhile, we get picked apart by the big money vendors at the drop of a hat. Beyond frustrating.

[JoeCatsJoe]

I don’t like being a Debbie Downer, but man we farted away an excellent chance to win a championship. That was definitely a more beatable NDSU championship team than some of their previous teams. And that was the most talented MSU team possibly ever. If we can’t win that one, that makes me a lot less optimistic that we can beat them in the future. I can’t help but have a foreboding feeling that in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years I’ll look back on this past season with a wistful shake of my head. I hope so much that’s not the case, but that felt like the chance to tug on Superman’s cape. NDSU’s momentum is far from slowing down, as shown by how much better, at least to my eyes, they kept their top players. That felt like the closest we will be in a long time. I’d absolutely love to be wrong. But that game will haunt me till we get over the hump, which might be awhile.

Yep, 100% how I feel. I don't mean to pile on with the "Debbie Downer" attitude but come Fall, I will see what the bets look like but I will probably put money down on NDSU and\or SDSU against the field to win it all again. Most likely NDSU, will win it all again.

They have an absolutely incredible amount of institutional momentum. Sometimes we as a fanbase, myself included, want to put ourselves at that level with NDSU. We had a couple close games with them right? Probably should’ve beaten them the past two games. But the level of success they’ve had is unprecedented. I think we forget that those were some of the most talented teams in MSU history against some of the weaker teams in recent NDSU history. And our best vs their mediocre, we lost. We aren’t on their level. To get there, we need to win on their level. Give me another 5 straight years of roughly the same success as last year, and then we can talk. And I think we can do it. We’re on their level right track. But sometime, we gotta get over that hump. And then sustain it.

[JoeCatsJoe]

I also don't want to be a Debbie Downer about our chances against NDSU, but if they can keep their offensive lineman from transferring out, which is obviously the case, and they can recruit based on their NFL draft record from that position group, they are going to be hard to ever get past. They had an OL go in the first-round tonight. Incredible. Meanwhile, we get picked apart by the big money vendors at the drop of a hat. Beyond frustrating.

I think that’s a huge part of it. Until we have a comparable ability to retain, we will forever be fighting uphill.

[cat-o-nine]

Maybe their formula is to use all of their NIL money they can raise on their OL and let the rest of the team take care of itself. Interesting strategy, but I could see how it might work.

[JoeCatsJoe]

Maybe their formula is to use all of their NIL money they can raise on their OL and let the rest of the team take care of itself. Interesting strategy, but I could see how it might work.

That would be a great idea. But they retained that Lance kid too, and he had to have some gargantuan NIL offers. Based solely on what I’ve seen on this site, their NIL fund simply dwarfs ours, which is unfortunately the largest factor in winning these days.

[JoeCatsJoe]

And to throw some perspective in here, there are so much worse places to be than stuck directly behind NDSU. I can imagine some Idaho State fan or Cal Poly fan reading this exchange and rolling their eyes. Oh boo hoo, you are several steps behind the greatest dynasty in college football history. We have a lot to be grateful for as Bobcat fans. But getting that close hurts. Especially since that will likely be our best shot for awhile.

[CodyCat]

I know we have some offensive line guru’s on this site. How did MSU fair against Zabel in the Natty?

[lutecat]

I don’t like being a Debbie Downer, but man we farted away an excellent chance to win a championship. That was definitely a more beatable NDSU championship team than some of their previous teams. And that was the most talented MSU team possibly ever. If we can’t win that one, that makes me a lot less optimistic that we can beat them in the future. I can’t help but have a foreboding feeling that in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years I’ll look back on this past season with a wistful shake of my head. I hope so much that’s not the case, but that felt like the chance to tug on Superman’s cape. NDSU’s momentum is far from slowing down, as shown by how much better, at least to my eyes, they kept their top players. That felt like the closest we will be in a long time. I’d absolutely love to be wrong. But that game will haunt me till we get over the hump, which might be awhile.

Yep, 100% how I feel. I don't mean to pile on with the "Debbie Downer" attitude but come Fall, I will see what the bets look like but I will probably put money down on NDSU and\or SDSU against the field to win it all again. Most likely NDSU, will win it all again.

I'll bet you $100 right now that SDSU doesn't make it to Nashville. Did you see how many of their team transferred out after the coach left?

[lutecat]

How many of you didn't think we had a chance after Troy was drafted? And we got beat bad in that Natty. But guess what. We were back last year and should have won had we called a better game offensively in the first half. We could beat that NDSU time 7 or 8 times out of 10. I firmly believe that.

Listen to Colter and Andrew H talk on ESPN Missoula. Colter would take our qb room any day over the griz. The sky is not falling. And it's a bigger sky than in Fargo north Dakota.

[The Butcher]

I also don't want to be a Debbie Downer about our chances against NDSU, but if they can keep their offensive lineman from transferring out, which is obviously the case, and they can recruit based on their NFL draft record from that position group, they are going to be hard to ever get past. They had an OL go in the first-round tonight. Incredible. Meanwhile, we get picked apart by the big money vendors at the drop of a hat. Beyond frustrating.

Zabel is originally from Pierre, South Dakota, and Lance hails from Minnesota—but with his brother's legacy at NDSU, that connection clearly plays a role. In this region, South Dakota and North Dakota are often seen as interchangeable, so while Zabel may technically be from “South Dakota,” he’s very much considered a local kid. And thanks to the Lance family ties, he’s like an adopted son of the program.

Montana State has done a great job retaining athletes with local or personal connections to the school. The ones who leave typically don’t have that prior bond with MSU. Sure, money is a factor in today’s game, but connection still carries significant weight.

[technoCat]

How many of you didn't think we had a chance after Troy was drafted? And we got beat bad in that Natty. But guess what. We were back last year and should have won had we called a better game offensively in the first half. We could beat that NDSU time 7 or 8 times out of 10. I firmly believe that.

Listen to Colter and Andrew H talk on ESPN Missoula. Colter would take our qb room any day over the griz. The sky is not falling. And it's a bigger sky than in Fargo north Dakota.

But we didn't beat them. And it took 3 years to get back. They are in the mix every year. They seem to always win the 3/10 matchup and that's the difference...

[JoeCatsJoe]

And I’m not enough of a spoiled fan yet to just assume we have another Tommy, like we did after Troy left. Maybe we do. I’d love to keep producing top level NFL athletes from Montana every few years here, but that was an anomaly. Maybe that’ll change, I’m not sure. Bottom line, we had a special team with a special chance to win, and didn’t. I hope the next special team is around the corner, but it may be further than we’d all like.

[BelligerentBobcat]

And I’m not enough of a spoiled fan yet to just assume we have another Tommy, like we did after Troy left. Maybe we do. I’d love to keep producing top level NFL athletes from Montana every few years here, but that was an anomaly. Maybe that’ll change, I’m not sure. Bottom line, we had a special team with a special chance to win, and didn’t. I hope the next special team is around the corner, but it may be further than we’d all like.

I think what we’re going to find is that what we consider a special team is going to become more normal. It almost already has. The semifinals are more of an expectation than a dream, even if we haven’t noticed it yet, it’s true.

Tommy is/was great. He could be nearly impossible to replicate. But the strength of this team is the line play. Now the OL may take a step back, but will still be very good. The DL will be elite. We’re fast, physical, fundamental, and I don’t think recruiting has ever been better. Losing Tommy will hurt, more emotionally than on the field I think, but it’s not like this is the end of good teams or players. In fact, I think one could argue that a more effective passing game that’s an actual threat to defenses results in a better overall team. We’ll see. One thing I know for certain though…MSU isn’t going anywhere. They’ll be championship contenders every year.

[lutecat]

How many of you didn't think we had a chance after Troy was drafted? And we got beat bad in that Natty. But guess what. We were back last year and should have won had we called a better game offensively in the first half. We could beat that NDSU time 7 or 8 times out of 10. I firmly believe that.

Listen to Colter and Andrew H talk on ESPN Missoula. Colter would take our qb room any day over the griz. The sky is not falling. And it's a bigger sky than in Fargo north Dakota.

But we didn't beat them. And it took 3 years to get back. They are in the mix every year. They seem to always win the 3/10 matchup and that's the difference...

Wow. 3 big years. Outside of 2 programs right now, every other FCS school would absolutely love that. And you're right they do win the matchup but we were closer to winning last year. So next time we win. And then we win again.

[CodyCat]

As a Bears fan, I was thinking about just how pathetic they are in every facet of professional football, including the draft. Remember, they trade up to take Mitch Trubisky (Mahomes was available). So, you never know, the bears just might take Mellott in the 2nd round.