NFL Combine invites

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

It's actually kinda a blessing not to go. The combine isn't trait about showing what you can do but more a place where they see what you can't do. If you have a great day, a la worthy, it helps but your pro day is honestly more important. Most guys don't improve by going to the combine. Also at your pro day you usually get the tabs that are ACTUALLY interested in see you. Those teams are more likely to see what you can add opposed to trying to tear you a part. With that said I figured wehr would have got an invite because teams would be interested in seeing him. His agent may have decided is better to not go so they didn't lobby for it.

Lol come on.

Nobody is turning down or avoiding a combine invite. The earliest anybody usually gets drafted out of the non-invites is round 4.

It’s really this simple. If you’re a top draft prospect, you’re going to the combine.

You are very wrong. Plenty of guys don't go to the combine because they know it'll hurt their stock in many cases. Been around this for a really long time. Jalyx hunt from hcu 3rd round didn't go to the combine last year. Qbs routinely won't throw at the combine because they want to throw to wrs they know and will make them look good. And I can name plenty of others. It can be a blessing and a curse.

Who is turning down an invite to the combine? And there’s a difference between going and not participating in drills and not attending.

ok so now we are going to get into semantics.....got it.....if you go and don't participate it is the same thing as not going, you aren't performing....that is what we are talking about...how your performance can help or hurt your draft stock....as i've stated there have been plenty of guys that say they aren't doing anything at the combine other than talking to teams....caleb williams didn't participate.....shadeur sanders isn't going to participate....cam ward isn't looking to participate, but he might depending.....i can go on and on with guys that do not participate, that is essentially turning down the combine. we are talking about performing at the combine....you and i both know what I was referring to and talking about because you first started out saying that if you don't you don't get drafted ahead of the 4th rd....well I proved that false and gave several instances where players don't participate in the combine, so now you are leaning on semantics.....stop playing dumb games....you and i both know what i was referring to....participation at the combine....

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

In Wehr's case I'm not sure if missing out on the Combine is a huge deal. All the teams got to see him at the Shrine Bowl and by all reports he was one of the best OL there. It seems like the Combine would be more important anyway for skill position guys who want to stand out with a fast 40-time or high vertical. Are OL really drafted for their workout stats or do the teams care more about their practice/game film and how they actually play against real opponents? I don't recall ever hearing about a guard who rocketed up the draft board based on his 40-time like Troy did in 2022.

Does anyone know if they do a short shuttle drill at the MSU pro day? NFL scouts are getting more and more into the short shuttle for predicting future NFL offensive line success. This was a tweet and it's a few years old now but it's continued to bear fruit from what I've seen in the past couple of years.

Since 2010, just 28 Offensive Linemen recorded a 4.47 short shuttle or better at the NFL Combine

24 were drafted

Those 24 went on to start 84% of their NFL games. It's a cheat code.

If Marcus is able to short shuttle in 4.47 seconds or better, it would probably significantly increase his draft stock. Also, teams are typically very interested in 10 yd splits of the 40 yard dash when it comes to lineman.

usually the teams will in advance will let the school know what tests/drills they want to see as a group....typically they do 40, 5-10-5(short shuttle), L drill(for skill guys), height, weight, measure your hand width and length, broad jump, and vertical. I know for dbs we also did a 40yd dash starting in a backpedal then flipping your hips to run after 10yds.

from there teams will work out individuals that they have their eyes on. So it can go two different ways, i've seen both.....if their are several teams that are looking at a kid then they will get together real quick and decide on what drills they are going to put the kid through...one team may like one drill another team may like another drill, so they try to both get in the things they like without killing the kid. I have also seen them do individual work outs for each team but each team only gets like 3-4 drills. I hated those because you end up being close to dead by the time you get to that last team.

Also teams will work entire position groups. This usually means that they aren't really interested in any one person so they are going to look at all of them to see if anyone jumps out to them. When they do one large group typically if anyone peaks their interest that team will pull them pretty quick and start individual work outs

[PapaG]

It's actually kinda a blessing not to go. The combine isn't trait about showing what you can do but more a place where they see what you can't do. If you have a great day, a la worthy, it helps but your pro day is honestly more important. Most guys don't improve by going to the combine. Also at your pro day you usually get the tabs that are ACTUALLY interested in see you. Those teams are more likely to see what you can add opposed to trying to tear you a part. With that said I figured wehr would have got an invite because teams would be interested in seeing him. His agent may have decided is better to not go so they didn't lobby for it.

I don’t think you were here back then, but Troy Andersen went from an excellent FCS player who was probably a 3rd day pick to a 2nd-round pick after he was one of the most-talked about players at the 2022 Combine. For lower-division players, a combine invitation is a true prize if the player tests well.

Been around the college to nfl scene for almost 30yrs. Yes it's a blessing and a curse. If you test really really well yes it can help you. And if you go there and have even the slightest hiccup as a fringe player you kill your chances in one fatal swoop. My point is that him not getting an invite can be blessing. There's plenty of guys that get invited but don't do anything at the combine and tell teams to come to their pro day at their school. Qbs do it all the time. Because they want to throw to wrs that the know and will make them look good. Many speed guys won't run at the combine because of the lasers, they run at their pro day because it's hand timed and they run a surface they know. Obviously it isn't all players but plenty do. Again my point is that not getting an invite can be a huge plus because he works out in bozeman in familiar territory with familiar faces he's going against... he can really shine.

For projected top of draft picks, sure, the Combine can hurt, but if I’m a Montana State or Montana player invited to Indianapolis and my agent advises me to skip it, I’m firing him/her and getting new representation.

FCS players need to accept every opportunity to prove themselves against the FBS prospects. What does that tell the NFL if you decline that opportunity and you’re a potential UFA, or even a possible 6th-7th round pick at best?

[BelligerentBobcat]

It's actually kinda a blessing not to go. The combine isn't trait about showing what you can do but more a place where they see what you can't do. If you have a great day, a la worthy, it helps but your pro day is honestly more important. Most guys don't improve by going to the combine. Also at your pro day you usually get the tabs that are ACTUALLY interested in see you. Those teams are more likely to see what you can add opposed to trying to tear you a part. With that said I figured wehr would have got an invite because teams would be interested in seeing him. His agent may have decided is better to not go so they didn't lobby for it.

Lol come on.

Nobody is turning down or avoiding a combine invite. The earliest anybody usually gets drafted out of the non-invites is round 4.

It’s really this simple. If you’re a top draft prospect, you’re going to the combine.

You are very wrong. Plenty of guys don't go to the combine because they know it'll hurt their stock in many cases. Been around this for a really long time. Jalyx hunt from hcu 3rd round didn't go to the combine last year. Qbs routinely won't throw at the combine because they want to throw to wrs they know and will make them look good. And I can name plenty of others. It can be a blessing and a curse.

Who is turning down an invite to the combine? And there’s a difference between going and not participating in drills and not attending.

ok so now we are going to get into semantics.....got it.....if you go and don't participate it is the same thing as not going, you aren't performing....that is what we are talking about...how your performance can help or hurt your draft stock....as i've stated there have been plenty of guys that say they aren't doing anything at the combine other than talking to teams....caleb williams didn't participate.....shadeur sanders isn't going to participate....cam ward isn't looking to participate, but he might depending.....i can go on and on with guys that do not participate, that is essentially turning down the combine. we are talking about performing at the combine....you and i both know what I was referring to and talking about because you first started out saying that if you don't you don't get drafted ahead of the 4th rd....well I proved that false and gave several instances where players don't participate in the combine, so now you are leaning on semantics.....stop playing dumb games....you and i both know what i was referring to....participation at the combine....

I didn't say you won't get drafted before the 4th round, I said "the earliest anybody usually gets drafted out of the non-invites is round 4." The word "usually" plays an important role here. It allows for exceptions. I'm typing off of my phone, I'm not going to write a novel to explain every single possible situation. You can call that semantics if you wish, but I think we both know that's not the case.

If you want to think that going and not participating in the drills is the same as not going, by all means, think that. They're still doing interviews and usually all going through a wide variety of medical "tests". The medical side is arguably the most important part of the combine. Now for these guys that are going to get drafted top 10, absolutely there's a valid reason to not participate in drills. That's not what we're discussing. We're talking about a potential late round pick/UDFA. There is no scenario in which their agent is thinking it's better if they don't go, unless said agent is incompetent.

[MSU01]

In Wehr's case I'm not sure if missing out on the Combine is a huge deal. All the teams got to see him at the Shrine Bowl and by all reports he was one of the best OL there. It seems like the Combine would be more important anyway for skill position guys who want to stand out with a fast 40-time or high vertical. Are OL really drafted for their workout stats or do the teams care more about their practice/game film and how they actually play against real opponents? I don't recall ever hearing about a guard who rocketed up the draft board based on his 40-time like Troy did in 2022.

Does anyone know if they do a short shuttle drill at the MSU pro day? NFL scouts are getting more and more into the short shuttle for predicting future NFL offensive line success. This was a tweet and it's a few years old now but it's continued to bear fruit from what I've seen in the past couple of years.

Since 2010, just 28 Offensive Linemen recorded a 4.47 short shuttle or better at the NFL Combine

24 were drafted

Those 24 went on to start 84% of their NFL games. It's a cheat code.

If Marcus is able to short shuttle in 4.47 seconds or better, it would probably significantly increase his draft stock. Also, teams are typically very interested in 10 yd splits of the 40 yard dash when it comes to lineman.

Thanks for the insight - watched a couple videos and it makes sense how that could be an important drill for offensive lineman. A lot of agility, side-to-side movement and short bursts of speed needed to do well.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

It's actually kinda a blessing not to go. The combine isn't trait about showing what you can do but more a place where they see what you can't do. If you have a great day, a la worthy, it helps but your pro day is honestly more important. Most guys don't improve by going to the combine. Also at your pro day you usually get the tabs that are ACTUALLY interested in see you. Those teams are more likely to see what you can add opposed to trying to tear you a part. With that said I figured wehr would have got an invite because teams would be interested in seeing him. His agent may have decided is better to not go so they didn't lobby for it.

I don’t think you were here back then, but Troy Andersen went from an excellent FCS player who was probably a 3rd day pick to a 2nd-round pick after he was one of the most-talked about players at the 2022 Combine. For lower-division players, a combine invitation is a true prize if the player tests well.

Been around the college to nfl scene for almost 30yrs. Yes it's a blessing and a curse. If you test really really well yes it can help you. And if you go there and have even the slightest hiccup as a fringe player you kill your chances in one fatal swoop. My point is that him not getting an invite can be blessing. There's plenty of guys that get invited but don't do anything at the combine and tell teams to come to their pro day at their school. Qbs do it all the time. Because they want to throw to wrs that the know and will make them look good. Many speed guys won't run at the combine because of the lasers, they run at their pro day because it's hand timed and they run a surface they know. Obviously it isn't all players but plenty do. Again my point is that not getting an invite can be a huge plus because he works out in bozeman in familiar territory with familiar faces he's going against... he can really shine.

For projected top of draft picks, sure, the Combine can hurt, but if I’m a Montana State or Montana player invited to Indianapolis and my agent advises me to skip it, I’m firing him/her and getting new representation.

FCS players need to accept every opportunity to prove themselves against the FBS prospects. What does that tell the NFL if you decline that opportunity and you’re a potential UFA, or even a possible 6th-7th round pick at best?

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

It's actually kinda a blessing not to go. The combine isn't trait about showing what you can do but more a place where they see what you can't do. If you have a great day, a la worthy, it helps but your pro day is honestly more important. Most guys don't improve by going to the combine. Also at your pro day you usually get the tabs that are ACTUALLY interested in see you. Those teams are more likely to see what you can add opposed to trying to tear you a part. With that said I figured wehr would have got an invite because teams would be interested in seeing him. His agent may have decided is better to not go so they didn't lobby for it.

Lol come on.

Nobody is turning down or avoiding a combine invite. The earliest anybody usually gets drafted out of the non-invites is round 4.

It’s really this simple. If you’re a top draft prospect, you’re going to the combine.

You are very wrong. Plenty of guys don't go to the combine because they know it'll hurt their stock in many cases. Been around this for a really long time. Jalyx hunt from hcu 3rd round didn't go to the combine last year. Qbs routinely won't throw at the combine because they want to throw to wrs they know and will make them look good. And I can name plenty of others. It can be a blessing and a curse.

Who is turning down an invite to the combine? And there’s a difference between going and not participating in drills and not attending.

ok so now we are going to get into semantics.....got it.....if you go and don't participate it is the same thing as not going, you aren't performing....that is what we are talking about...how your performance can help or hurt your draft stock....as i've stated there have been plenty of guys that say they aren't doing anything at the combine other than talking to teams....caleb williams didn't participate.....shadeur sanders isn't going to participate....cam ward isn't looking to participate, but he might depending.....i can go on and on with guys that do not participate, that is essentially turning down the combine. we are talking about performing at the combine....you and i both know what I was referring to and talking about because you first started out saying that if you don't you don't get drafted ahead of the 4th rd....well I proved that false and gave several instances where players don't participate in the combine, so now you are leaning on semantics.....stop playing dumb games....you and i both know what i was referring to....participation at the combine....

I didn't say you won't get drafted before the 4th round, I said "the earliest anybody usually gets drafted out of the non-invites is round 4." The word "usually" plays an important role here. It allows for exceptions. I'm typing off of my phone, I'm not going to write a novel to explain every single possible situation. You can call that semantics if you wish, but I think we both know that's not the case.

If you want to think that going and not participating in the drills is the same as not going, by all means, think that. They're still doing interviews and usually all going through a wide variety of medical "tests". The medical side is arguably the most important part of the combine. Now for these guys that are going to get drafted top 10, absolutely there's a valid reason to not participate in drills. That's not what we're discussing. We're talking about a potential late round pick/UDFA. There is no scenario in which their agent is thinking it's better if they don't go, unless said agent is incompetent.

It is semantics... you started off with trying to justify the caveat... when I stated you know what was meant but you still are trying to hide behind words. Point being we are talking about not participating in the combine and its effects... bottom line is its case by case and I stand by the statement that it may be a blessing in disguise... I've seen the combine hurt draft status more than help.

But what the hell do I know...I just went through the draft process and been around the draft process intimately for the better part of 30yrs.

[PapaG]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?

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Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

2024 NFL Scouting Combine Results: Houston Christian EDGE Jalyx Hunt

Houston Christian EDGE Jalyx Hunt shined during on-field testing at the 2024 NFL Scouting Combine
Zachary McKinnell | Mar 1, 2024

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

[PapaG]

So you’re right even though you said he didn’t go and I showed you he did. OK man, you win even though you were wrong.

He was one of the stars of the combine. I don’t care if you know his dad, he showed up and showed out in front of every NFL front office and coaching staff. That matters..

Pro Day in Bozeman might get a half-dozen contracted bird dog or regional scouts to see if a guy is worth a camp invite or an in-person interview based on a workout. It’s a wild take sticking to your opinion on the NFL Combine not mattering, and possibly worth refusing an invitation.

[BelligerentBobcat]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

So you’re right even though you said he didn’t go and I showed you he did. OK man, you win even though you were wrong.

He was one of the stars of the combine. I don’t care if you know his dad, he showed up and showed out in front of every NFL front office and coaching staff. That matters..

Pro Day in Bozeman might get a half-dozen contracted bird dog or regional scouts to see if a guy is worth a camp invite or an in-person interview based on a workout. It’s a wild take sticking to your opinion on the NFL Combine not mattering, and possibly worth refusing an invitation.

I spoke wrong. When u talked to his dad he wasn't going but they changed their minds. That's on me, I'll take that L. I never said it doesn't matter. Not once. What I said was it can be a blessing and a curse. He showed out. But I can promise you that he was getting drafted any way it went, this I know for a fact. Again never said it doesn't matter...I clearly stated that many don't go because their prob day they can control variables more so they can shine.

I'll use high school kids as an example many kids don't run 40s at those camps because of they run bad or kills them. Negate I spoke to Jhase's dad about this I cab trek you for a fact that he ran 40s is soph and jr year.. clocked a 4.3... his sr yr he never ran a 40 again because if he didn't replicate it would kill him. She thing with the nfl combine. Many go, some don't. It's a case by case basis, I said that. My point is and still remains that it very well could be a blessing that wehr didn't go to the combine. That has yet to be seen.

Austin I was wrong about hunt, I misremembered... that's on me. I was wrong. My fault.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

I can ask the sr Bowls sr bowls... whether it's reeves blue gray or whatever... so yeah semantics...keep jumping on me let's talk about you resting on semantics. It's what it is.....I was wrong about him going to the combine, I'll own that. I take to his dad he want going he ended up going and I forgot... that's on me I'll own that. So doesn't take away from the fact that combine is known for killing dreams as much as making them come true... it's case by case.

[Cataholic]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

I can ask the sr Bowls sr bowls... whether it's reeves blue gray or whatever... so yeah semantics...keep jumping on me let's talk about you resting on semantics. It's what it is.....I was wrong about him going to the combine, I'll own that. I take to his dad he want going he ended up going and I forgot... that's on me I'll own that. So doesn't take away from the fact that combine is known for killing dreams as much as making them come true... it's case by case.

Belligerent is an internet tough guy. Just ignore him. I am guessing he doesn’t talk like that in the real world because he would get his ass kicked very day. The majority of us appreciate your insight. Keep posting!

[tetoncat]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

I can ask the sr Bowls sr bowls... whether it's reeves blue gray or whatever... so yeah semantics...keep jumping on me let's talk about you resting on semantics. It's what it is.....I was wrong about him going to the combine, I'll own that. I take to his dad he want going he ended up going and I forgot... that's on me I'll own that. So doesn't take away from the fact that combine is known for killing dreams as much as making them come true... it's case by case.

Belligerent is an internet tough guy. Just ignore him. I am guessing he doesn’t talk like that in the real world because he would get his ass kicked very day. The majority of us appreciate your insight. Keep posting!

If a player is a lock to get drafted if they don't do combine then why would they do a pro day. Can't the same bad things happen. Still seems like those who are day 2, 3, or UFA look for every chance they can get to be in front of or talking g to teams.

[BelligerentBobcat]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

I can ask the sr Bowls sr bowls... whether it's reeves blue gray or whatever... so yeah semantics...keep jumping on me let's talk about you resting on semantics. It's what it is.....I was wrong about him going to the combine, I'll own that. I take to his dad he want going he ended up going and I forgot... that's on me I'll own that. So doesn't take away from the fact that combine is known for killing dreams as much as making them come true... it's case by case.

Belligerent is an internet tough guy. Just ignore him. I am guessing he doesn’t talk like that in the real world because he would get his ass kicked very day. The majority of us appreciate your insight. Keep posting!

My friend, I think you have a hard time with conversational tone over text. Disagreeing, or arguing, or ****** talking, isn’t inherently rude. It’s just how a lot of guys talk. That’s how it always was in the locker room for me, and when a bunch of the guys get together there’s always giving each other crap and disagreements. None of what I’m saying is personal, I just didageee with BBT and I’m giving him a little ******. He’s doing the same thing. So I think you’re just misreading the tone. It’s hard over text, I get it.

[Cataholic]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

I can ask the sr Bowls sr bowls... whether it's reeves blue gray or whatever... so yeah semantics...keep jumping on me let's talk about you resting on semantics. It's what it is.....I was wrong about him going to the combine, I'll own that. I take to his dad he want going he ended up going and I forgot... that's on me I'll own that. So doesn't take away from the fact that combine is known for killing dreams as much as making them come true... it's case by case.

Belligerent is an internet tough guy. Just ignore him. I am guessing he doesn’t talk like that in the real world because he would get his ass kicked very day. The majority of us appreciate your insight. Keep posting!

My friend, I think you have a hard time with conversational tone over text. Disagreeing, or arguing, or ****** talking, isn’t inherently rude. It’s just how a lot of guys talk. That’s how it always was in the locker room for me, and when a bunch of the guys get together there’s always giving each other crap and disagreements. None of what I’m saying is personal, I just didageee with BBT and I’m giving him a little ******. He’s doing the same thing. So I think you’re just misreading the tone. It’s hard over text, I get it.

Haha. You name yourself Belligerent but you don’t want to “mistaken” as being rude? Come on man. A new poster comes to the board with actual exposure to some of these situations and you regularly chastise him for just sharing his opinion. You even call it sh1t talking. That is why new guys don’t post and many long time posters don’t contribute any more. How about just trying to have a civil conversation instead of being a douche?

[The Butcher]

In Wehr's case I'm not sure if missing out on the Combine is a huge deal. All the teams got to see him at the Shrine Bowl and by all reports he was one of the best OL there. It seems like the Combine would be more important anyway for skill position guys who want to stand out with a fast 40-time or high vertical. Are OL really drafted for their workout stats or do the teams care more about their practice/game film and how they actually play against real opponents? I don't recall ever hearing about a guard who rocketed up the draft board based on his 40-time like Troy did in 2022.

Does anyone know if they do a short shuttle drill at the MSU pro day? NFL scouts are getting more and more into the short shuttle for predicting future NFL offensive line success. This was a tweet and it's a few years old now but it's continued to bear fruit from what I've seen in the past couple of years.

Since 2010, just 28 Offensive Linemen recorded a 4.47 short shuttle or better at the NFL Combine

24 were drafted

Those 24 went on to start 84% of their NFL games. It's a cheat code.

If Marcus is able to short shuttle in 4.47 seconds or better, it would probably significantly increase his draft stock. Also, teams are typically very interested in 10 yd splits of the 40 yard dash when it comes to lineman.

That makes so much more sense than a 40-time. When does an offensive lineman ever run 40 yards straight ahead in a game? Lateral movement is far more important than straight-line speed.

[BelligerentBobcat]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

I can ask the sr Bowls sr bowls... whether it's reeves blue gray or whatever... so yeah semantics...keep jumping on me let's talk about you resting on semantics. It's what it is.....I was wrong about him going to the combine, I'll own that. I take to his dad he want going he ended up going and I forgot... that's on me I'll own that. So doesn't take away from the fact that combine is known for killing dreams as much as making them come true... it's case by case.

Belligerent is an internet tough guy. Just ignore him. I am guessing he doesn’t talk like that in the real world because he would get his ass kicked very day. The majority of us appreciate your insight. Keep posting!

My friend, I think you have a hard time with conversational tone over text. Disagreeing, or arguing, or ****** talking, isn’t inherently rude. It’s just how a lot of guys talk. That’s how it always was in the locker room for me, and when a bunch of the guys get together there’s always giving each other crap and disagreements. None of what I’m saying is personal, I just didageee with BBT and I’m giving him a little ******. He’s doing the same thing. So I think you’re just misreading the tone. It’s hard over text, I get it.

Haha. You name yourself Belligerent but you don’t want to “mistaken” as being rude? Come on man. A new poster comes to the board with actual exposure to some of these situations and you regularly chastise him for just sharing his opinion. You even call it sh1t talking. That is why new guys don’t post and many long time posters don’t contribute any more. How about just trying to have a civil conversation instead of being a douche?

Lol dude. I like alliteration and I thought it was a funny name. No need to think too deeply.

I’ll tell you what. BBT is a grown adult, and if he has an issue with me, I think he can tell me. I highly doubt he needs you to be his baby sitter. I have no problems with the man, we just have different opinions. I didn’t say anything worse than PapaG, but you continue to single me out. You have a problem.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

What you think and what the reality is are two different things. It's a case by case basis. Many fcs his, a la jalyx hunt, don't go to the combine because there is more of a downside than upside. Getting drafted/invited to camp is a superv trucker thing is you're not a shoo-in. It isn't always best to go to the combine. You don't have to believe and that's fine but as I stated going to the combine is more about them pricing what you can't do as opposed to what you can do, your margin for error is zero. That spells doom for most guys. The ones that have a perfect day, it helps most guys out does nothing or it hurts them... which is why many guys do not participate.

Jalyx Hunt went to the NFL Combine. First Houston Christian player to ever attend. He was one of the players who most benefited from his results in Indy.

Are you talking about someone else?



Feb 29, 2024; Indianapolis, IN, USA; Houston Christian defensive lineman Jalyx Hunt (DL34) works out during the 2024 NFL Combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports

JALYX HUNT'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS

Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 252
40-Time: 4.64
10-Yard Split: 1.60
Vertical: 37.5"
Broad Jump: 10'8"

He did go..... his sick was already high when he went though. An old player of mine played with him at hcu. Much like wehr he got invited to the Reese's sr bowl and showed out... the combine didn't raise his draft stock. I know his father james, he played at Ole miss several yrs before some of my high school teammates played at Ole miss.... they knew he was getting started after the sr bowl they just didn't know which team. But I digress..... the combine is a blessing and a curse... if you go so well as a fringe player is great, if you have one hiccup they will go with another person..... most kids perform well at their pro day at the school so many kids won't participate in at the combine.....

He didn’t go, and it helped his draft stock. No, wait, he did go, but it didn’t help his draft stock.

Btw, Wehr didn’t go to the Senior Bowl. He went to the Shrine. Just semantics though.

I can ask the sr Bowls sr bowls... whether it's reeves blue gray or whatever... so yeah semantics...keep jumping on me let's talk about you resting on semantics. It's what it is.....I was wrong about him going to the combine, I'll own that. I take to his dad he want going he ended up going and I forgot... that's on me I'll own that. So doesn't take away from the fact that combine is known for killing dreams as much as making them come true... it's case by case.

Belligerent is an internet tough guy. Just ignore him. I am guessing he doesn’t talk like that in the real world because he would get his ass kicked very day. The majority of us appreciate your insight. Keep posting!

If a player is a lock to get drafted if they don't do combine then why would they do a pro day. Can't the same bad things happen. Still seems like those who are day 2, 3, or UFA look for every chance they can get to be in front of or talking g to teams.

This is different than where we started. I am under the impression that wehr is a day one guy, at least I think he is. Yes you are correct that any opportunity to get in front of teams is huge for most players. That still doesn't charge the fact that done guys on a car by case basis will choose not to participate at the combine.

So everyone understands the player has less notice of what's going to be done at the combine. Prep for the each drill is essential to impressing scouts. Which has been my WHOLE POINT.... if you do a drill and screw it up it can kill you. When you have a pro day the scouts will trek the coaches the apparatuses or the drills they may do so you actually get to prep for then to really shine. Again some guys do all in any situation since kids don't test well amen certain circumstances don't align well. So some players do what they can to manipulate each situation to their favor.