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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by lutecat » Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:03 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:58 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:31 am
PapaG wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:26 pm
Mtcatfan wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:13 pm
Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?
This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.
They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.
This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.
Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.
...your understanding....nuff said. Where art thou getting your information? Listen to the podcast and then get back to me. (Yes I know you won't but prove me wrong)

If you're calling Colter a gris apologist try again. I'll give you Andrew. (Listen to this podcast for the explanation of what they're talking about the covid thing. I just gave a high level synopsis. Again I know you won't listen so....)



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by lutecat » Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:10 pm

How does the gris recruiting compare to ours?

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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by RickRund » Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:14 pm

The qb they are high on, Jensen, seems to have zero stats in two seasons. His only "stat" in four snaps from what I have found. We'll see..


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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by onceacat » Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:09 pm

lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:03 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:58 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:31 am
PapaG wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:26 pm
Mtcatfan wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:13 pm
Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?
This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.
They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.
This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.
Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.
...your understanding....nuff said. Where art thou getting your information? Listen to the podcast and then get back to me. (Yes I know you won't but prove me wrong)

If you're calling Colter a gris apologist try again. I'll give you Andrew. (Listen to this podcast for the explanation of what they're talking about the covid thing. I just gave a high level synopsis. Again I know you won't listen so....)
I have trouble with the 'Covid year' excuse. Guys graduating this year were redshirting the Covid year...so if anything, the gris should have had a bunch of dudes with an extra year of eligibility.

Covid created MORE players, not a void of players. Just to look at the QB position, the Cats had a senior, a sophomore, and a RS freshman on the roster & brought in 2 more QBs. Odds are pretty good that one of them is a legit Big Sky starter next season.

Even if we believe the McDowell story (which seems to have some holes in it) that doesnt explain why there was no decent replacement to start this season when he left. Every FBS team should have 3-5 QBs on the roster ready to go. Where are the Class of 21 and 22 QBs?

And, hey, I get it, things happen. But going into 3 consecutive seasons with no clear plan at QB other than searching the portal isn't a good look for Bobby.

Colter generally does good work, but hes human, so I don't expect perfection. This just doesnt pass the smell test.



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by MSU01 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:50 am

onceacat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:09 pm
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:03 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:58 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:31 am
PapaG wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:26 pm
Mtcatfan wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:13 pm
Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?
This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.
They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.
This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.
Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.
...your understanding....nuff said. Where art thou getting your information? Listen to the podcast and then get back to me. (Yes I know you won't but prove me wrong)

If you're calling Colter a gris apologist try again. I'll give you Andrew. (Listen to this podcast for the explanation of what they're talking about the covid thing. I just gave a high level synopsis. Again I know you won't listen so....)
I have trouble with the 'Covid year' excuse. Guys graduating this year were redshirting the Covid year...so if anything, the gris should have had a bunch of dudes with an extra year of eligibility.

Covid created MORE players, not a void of players. Just to look at the QB position, the Cats had a senior, a sophomore, and a RS freshman on the roster & brought in 2 more QBs. Odds are pretty good that one of them is a legit Big Sky starter next season.

Even if we believe the McDowell story (which seems to have some holes in it) that doesnt explain why there was no decent replacement to start this season when he left. Every FBS team should have 3-5 QBs on the roster ready to go. Where are the Class of 21 and 22 QBs?

And, hey, I get it, things happen. But going into 3 consecutive seasons with no clear plan at QB other than searching the portal isn't a good look for Bobby.

Colter generally does good work, but hes human, so I don't expect perfection. This just doesnt pass the smell test.
Class of 2019, 2020, and 2021 players all could have exhausted their eligibility this year depending on redshirt usage, so many teams did have larger than normal senior classes this year. MSU did too, as several of their graduating seniors (Ortt, O'Reilly, Wehr, Perkins, Schmidt among others) were true freshmen who redshirted in 2019 and would have graduated in 2023 without the Covid season. Both MSU and UM had additional roster spots to fill this offseason, but they obviously had very different philosophies about how to do that.

The failure to develop a QB is definitely one of the issues the Griz have had under Bobby 2.0, maybe Ah Yat is finally the answer there but it sure seems like the USC guy was brought in to be the starter.



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by iaafan » Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:00 am

lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:59 pm
iaafan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:29 pm
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Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:08 pm
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Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.
I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.
Who are some of the proven, damn good players?
Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.
You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.
Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.
Is good the same as (close enough) damn good? Anyway, it doesn’t look like they brought in any slam dunk, game-changing players. But I haven’t dug into much. If these are the three best players they brought in, then they’re in trouble in the non-body bag games (not many) on their schedule.
You haven't dug into it much but you're going to give him a hard time for not knowing the names of players? We can know players are good and not know their names. I really don't care to know names.

I don’t remember who made the comment so I'm not directing this at you. (I didn't intend it to be but its kind of funny considering we're talking about remembering names lol) but it's okay for us to admit they can get good players. We just expect we're getting better ones and we have better coaching. The gris are going to be a top 10 team at the end of the season given their schedule. They will be a playoff team. I hope they lose all their games. But I know that won't happen.
If I had said that they picked up some good, or damn good, players I’d like to think I would know who some of them are. I never said anything about them being good or bad. I just asked. It’s on the person making the comment to provide supporting information for their comment. lol



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:32 am

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The qb they are high on, Jensen, seems to have zero stats in two seasons. His only "stat" in four snaps from what I have found. We'll see..
His last two seasons were at USC. He was at a JC the year before and at BYU as a freshman after going on a mission.

Here are his stats from JC:
JUNIOR COLLEGE: He completed 155-of-268 passes (57.9%) for 1,970 yards with 22 touchdowns and 9 interceptions and rushed for 105 yards on 64 carries (1.6 avg) with 4 TDs while starting 10 games as a 2021 freshman quarterback at Contra Costa Junior College in San Pablo (Calif.). He also had 1 tackle.


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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by RickRund » Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:49 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:32 am
RickRund wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:14 pm
The qb they are high on, Jensen, seems to have zero stats in two seasons. His only "stat" in four snaps from what I have found. We'll see..
His last two seasons were at USC. He was at a JC the year before and at BYU as a freshman after going on a mission.

Here are his stats from JC:
JUNIOR COLLEGE: He completed 155-of-268 passes (57.9%) for 1,970 yards with 22 touchdowns and 9 interceptions and rushed for 105 yards on 64 carries (1.6 avg) with 4 TDs while starting 10 games as a 2021 freshman quarterback at Contra Costa Junior College in San Pablo (Calif.). He also had 1 tackle.
Thanks for the info. Nothing I had found showed his JC time.

Does his JC season, looks like just one, give him an additional year?


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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by Cataholic » Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:29 am

lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:03 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:58 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:31 am
PapaG wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:26 pm
Mtcatfan wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:13 pm
Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?
This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.
They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.
This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.
Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.
...your understanding....nuff said. Where art thou getting your information? Listen to the podcast and then get back to me. (Yes I know you won't but prove me wrong)

If you're calling Colter a gris apologist try again. I'll give you Andrew. (Listen to this podcast for the explanation of what they're talking about the covid thing. I just gave a high level synopsis. Again I know you won't listen so....)
I know you don’t like me, but your dislike is clouding your senses. Multiple other people have made the exact same comments that I have. The Covid issue was faced by every school in the country and is not as big for some schools because they managed it correctly. The Gris didn’t.

And if McDowell wanted to move closer to home, why did he leave the Gris and sign with Temple. Did he secretly grow up in Philly?

All of this information is readily available.



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by Cataholic » Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:32 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:32 am
RickRund wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:14 pm
The qb they are high on, Jensen, seems to have zero stats in two seasons. His only "stat" in four snaps from what I have found. We'll see..
His last two seasons were at USC. He was at a JC the year before and at BYU as a freshman after going on a mission.

Here are his stats from JC:
JUNIOR COLLEGE: He completed 155-of-268 passes (57.9%) for 1,970 yards with 22 touchdowns and 9 interceptions and rushed for 105 yards on 64 carries (1.6 avg) with 4 TDs while starting 10 games as a 2021 freshman quarterback at Contra Costa Junior College in San Pablo (Calif.). He also had 1 tackle.
This is what I was alluding to. Lots of unproven talent. I remember they had an Alabama transfer that was supposed to light up the conference. The guy was a walking at Alabama. He never played.



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by catatac » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:09 am

iaafan wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:00 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:59 pm
iaafan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:29 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:15 pm
iaafan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:12 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:40 pm
iaafan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:21 pm
catatac wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:08 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 11:20 pm
Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.
I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.
Who are some of the proven, damn good players?
Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.
You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.
Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.
Is good the same as (close enough) damn good? Anyway, it doesn’t look like they brought in any slam dunk, game-changing players. But I haven’t dug into much. If these are the three best players they brought in, then they’re in trouble in the non-body bag games (not many) on their schedule.
You haven't dug into it much but you're going to give him a hard time for not knowing the names of players? We can know players are good and not know their names. I really don't care to know names.

I don’t remember who made the comment so I'm not directing this at you. (I didn't intend it to be but its kind of funny considering we're talking about remembering names lol) but it's okay for us to admit they can get good players. We just expect we're getting better ones and we have better coaching. The gris are going to be a top 10 team at the end of the season given their schedule. They will be a playoff team. I hope they lose all their games. But I know that won't happen.
If I had said that they picked up some good, or damn good, players I’d like to think I would know who some of them are. I never said anything about them being good or bad. I just asked. It’s on the person making the comment to provide supporting information for their comment. lol
I'm the one that posted they picked up some damn good players and admittedly I don't know their names or much about them but my Griz fan buddy (Trust me, he's NOT your normal Griz fan but rather shoots things straight with all things Griz, and he hates Bobby lol), mentioned it to me. I think other posters have mentioned most of the players I was referring to. Some proven FBS starters and also proven FCS multi year standout starters... plus some unproven FBS dropdowns. I'm not impressed with any of the unproven ones but for the others... I was mainly wondering where they got the NIL money because there had to be at least some.


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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by TomCat88 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:34 am

RickRund wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:49 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:32 am
RickRund wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:14 pm
The qb they are high on, Jensen, seems to have zero stats in two seasons. His only "stat" in four snaps from what I have found. We'll see..
His last two seasons were at USC. He was at a JC the year before and at BYU as a freshman after going on a mission.

Here are his stats from JC:
JUNIOR COLLEGE: He completed 155-of-268 passes (57.9%) for 1,970 yards with 22 touchdowns and 9 interceptions and rushed for 105 yards on 64 carries (1.6 avg) with 4 TDs while starting 10 games as a 2021 freshman quarterback at Contra Costa Junior College in San Pablo (Calif.). He also had 1 tackle.
Thanks for the info. Nothing I had found showed his JC time.

Does his JC season, looks like just one, give him an additional year?
:lol: I have zero clue how any of that works.


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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by RickRund » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:38 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:34 am
RickRund wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:49 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:32 am
RickRund wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:14 pm
The qb they are high on, Jensen, seems to have zero stats in two seasons. His only "stat" in four snaps from what I have found. We'll see..
His last two seasons were at USC. He was at a JC the year before and at BYU as a freshman after going on a mission.

Here are his stats from JC:
JUNIOR COLLEGE: He completed 155-of-268 passes (57.9%) for 1,970 yards with 22 touchdowns and 9 interceptions and rushed for 105 yards on 64 carries (1.6 avg) with 4 TDs while starting 10 games as a 2021 freshman quarterback at Contra Costa Junior College in San Pablo (Calif.). He also had 1 tackle.
Thanks for the info. Nothing I had found showed his JC time.

Does his JC season, looks like just one, give him an additional year?
:lol: I have zero clue how any of that works.
The extra year would give them time "to develope" their legacy qb...


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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by RickRund » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:41 am

Don't know if I have seen this mentioned but didn't they sign also sign a drop down from USC, guessing that is Southern California?


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Post by Mtcatfan » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:43 am

They’ll probably roll with a two QB system again cause it worked so well last year. :wink:



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Post by RockyBearCat » Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:52 am

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Don't know if I have seen this mentioned but didn't they sign also sign a drop down from USC, guessing that is Southern California?
That is the Jensen guy from USC that everyone is talking about in the posts above yours.



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by lutecat » Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:14 pm

onceacat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 11:09 pm
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:03 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:58 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:31 am
PapaG wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:26 pm
Mtcatfan wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:13 pm
Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?
This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.
They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.
This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.
Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.
...your understanding....nuff said. Where art thou getting your information? Listen to the podcast and then get back to me. (Yes I know you won't but prove me wrong)

If you're calling Colter a gris apologist try again. I'll give you Andrew. (Listen to this podcast for the explanation of what they're talking about the covid thing. I just gave a high level synopsis. Again I know you won't listen so....)
I have trouble with the 'Covid year' excuse. Guys graduating this year were redshirting the Covid year...so if anything, the gris should have had a bunch of dudes with an extra year of eligibility.

Covid created MORE players, not a void of players. Just to look at the QB position, the Cats had a senior, a sophomore, and a RS freshman on the roster & brought in 2 more QBs. Odds are pretty good that one of them is a legit Big Sky starter next season.

Even if we believe the McDowell story (which seems to have some holes in it) that doesnt explain why there was no decent replacement to start this season when he left. Every FBS team should have 3-5 QBs on the roster ready to go. Where are the Class of 21 and 22 QBs?

And, hey, I get it, things happen. But going into 3 consecutive seasons with no clear plan at QB other than searching the portal isn't a good look for Bobby.

Colter generally does good work, but hes human, so I don't expect perfection. This just doesnt pass the smell test.
No argument with the qb's there. I guess I meant the rest of it. Outside o-line and qb. QB the gris suck at developing covid or not.



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by lutecat » Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:21 pm

Cataholic wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:29 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:03 pm
Cataholic wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:58 am
lutecat wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:31 am
PapaG wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:09 pm
Lord Vigo wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:26 pm
Mtcatfan wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2025 3:13 pm
Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?
This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.
They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.
This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.
Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.
...your understanding....nuff said. Where art thou getting your information? Listen to the podcast and then get back to me. (Yes I know you won't but prove me wrong)

If you're calling Colter a gris apologist try again. I'll give you Andrew. (Listen to this podcast for the explanation of what they're talking about the covid thing. I just gave a high level synopsis. Again I know you won't listen so....)
I know you don’t like me, but your dislike is clouding your senses. Multiple other people have made the exact same comments that I have. The Covid issue was faced by every school in the country and is not as big for some schools because they managed it correctly. The Gris didn’t.

And if McDowell wanted to move closer to home, why did he leave the Gris and sign with Temple. Did he secretly grow up in Philly?

All of this information is readily available.
I don't dislike you man. I'm pretty sure you dislike me.

I was going to give a smart @ss response but I just was reading an article on bullying and even though you're older than me, I'll pass. Have a good day man. I hope you find some joy today.

The flight from home to Temple is much shorter than home to Missoula. That's why. 3 hour direct flight. I tend to take a man at his word. But that's just me.



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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by HookedOnGriz » Tue Feb 11, 2025 12:24 pm

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Tue Feb 11, 2025 11:41 am
Don't know if I have seen this mentioned but didn't they sign also sign a drop down from USC, guessing that is Southern California?
They got 2 USC transfers, the QB Jensen and a former 4 star DE Peevey. Peevey has 3 years left and Jensen just 1 unless they work the JC eligibility in for all then he will have 2.

I think their best additions outside Peevey are:

Wortham - EWU - all purpose all American

Tolbert - East Ill LB - all conf and all American honors

Harper - BYU safety - was a freshman all American but has dealt with injuries since

Peck - Carroll College DE - all American

Bailey - Utah St DL (nose) - 3 star DL out of HS and all conf honors at JUCO (2 years left)

Hendrix - Ariz St WR - 3 star out of HS and was rated by ESPN to be the 62nd best WR prospect in country (4 years left)

Landed some military prep school kids too who will be good eventually. I think military prep and military school kids make a lot of sense for Bobby and how he runs things.

We will see how it all comes together. Too tough to say right now.
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Re: Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

Post by ClowderUp » Tue Feb 11, 2025 1:13 pm

I don't think they have done nearly enough in the trenches. Not even close actually. That will equate to spanking the soft teams (most of their schedule), mostly winning in close games against the good teams but looking vulnerable, and getting beat by the great teams. As it all stands now, I really like our chances in Missoula. Finally.



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