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Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by RootinfortheCats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:50 am

After week 8, lots of Cats on the list:

https://herosports.com/fcs-2024-pff-hig ... rs-8-bzbz/

Tommy beat out Miller for #1


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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:00 pm

RootinfortheCats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:50 am
After week 8, lots of Cats on the list:

https://herosports.com/fcs-2024-pff-hig ... rs-8-bzbz/

Tommy beat out Miller for #1
Pretty good for a running back........ :roll: :roll: :roll:



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by DMMDCats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:01 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:00 pm
RootinfortheCats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:50 am
After week 8, lots of Cats on the list:

https://herosports.com/fcs-2024-pff-hig ... rs-8-bzbz/

Tommy beat out Miller for #1
Pretty good for a running back........ :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by Cledus » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:20 pm

RootinfortheCats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:50 am
After week 8, lots of Cats on the list:

https://herosports.com/fcs-2024-pff-hig ... rs-8-bzbz/

Tommy beat out Miller for #1
This year, MSU players largely are not being recognized in player of the week lists, ostensibly because they're blowing out opponents and sitting out 40% of the game. But according to this list they're among the best at doing their job.

It seems like the player of the week awards should consider how good someone is at doing their job. If a receiver has 200+ yards and a few touchdowns, that's great. But what if you watch the replay and see a defender fell down, and on a different play the QB was able to scramble and hit a perfect pass into double coverage? Those are fortunate, but not the same thing as being good at your job.


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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by Prodigal Cat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:35 pm

This can’t be true. A bunch of posters told me on here that Lan Larison was better than Scottre so it’s obviously wrong.


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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by 110010110 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:39 pm

The fact that we have two TEs listed in the top five is pretty incredible. Granted, one is more of a FB than a TE, but still.



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:43 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:35 pm
This can’t be true. A bunch of posters told me on here that Lan Larison was better than Scottre so it’s obviously wrong.
Note: PFF isn’t the gospel or the de facto ranking of who the best players are, it’s just another tool to look at top performers. There is more context beyond film grades, like the quality of opponents, just like there is more context beyond box scores and statistical leaders.
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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by Prodigal Cat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:54 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:43 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:35 pm
This can’t be true. A bunch of posters told me on here that Lan Larison was better than Scottre so it’s obviously wrong.
Note: PFF isn’t the gospel or the de facto ranking of who the best players are, it’s just another tool to look at top performers. There is more context beyond film grades, like the quality of opponents, just like there is more context beyond box scores and statistical leaders.
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While my comment is somewhat tongue in cheek, the quote is exactly that, a tool. And by theses metrics or tool, which are done by people who know a crap ton about football, SH is one of the 3 best RB in FCS. I'm sorry you were wrong?


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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:02 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:54 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:43 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:35 pm
This can’t be true. A bunch of posters told me on here that Lan Larison was better than Scottre so it’s obviously wrong.
Note: PFF isn’t the gospel or the de facto ranking of who the best players are, it’s just another tool to look at top performers. There is more context beyond film grades, like the quality of opponents, just like there is more context beyond box scores and statistical leaders.
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While my comment is somewhat tongue in cheek, the quote is exactly that, a tool. And by theses metrics or tool, which are done by people who know a crap ton about football, SH is one of the 3 best RB in FCS. I'm sorry you were wrong?
Not wrong at all. I never chimed into the debate you guys were having as I think they are both great and would take either. Obviously I love Scottre cause he's a Cat. I thought it was a silly argument as both are great talents. :shrug:



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm

I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm

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Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:39 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
We’re 8-0, it’s a bye week, I’m bored. I wouldn’t call people disagreeing about who’s better a pissing match, but whatevs. Disagreements can be fun! Everybody having a kumbaya circle jerk is boring.



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:42 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:39 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
We’re 8-0, it’s a bye week, I’m bored. I wouldn’t call people disagreeing about who’s better a pissing match, but whatevs. Disagreements can be fun! Everybody having a kumbaya circle jerk is boring.
Oh totally. I couldn't care less what people discuss on here. I just choose to pick and choose the discussions I get involved in. Taking two amazing running backs and discussing which one is better didn't move the needle for me. But it's all entertaining for sure!



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by Prodigal Cat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:20 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.


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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by ilovethecats » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:27 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:20 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.
For entertainment and information. And now to see if one of you will change the mind of the other as to which of these backs is obviously better. :wink:



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by BleedingBLue » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:03 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:20 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.
A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by Prodigal Cat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:49 pm

BleedingBLue wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:03 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:20 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.
A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.
We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season :shock: and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.


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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by tetoncat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:19 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:49 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:03 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:20 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.
A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.
We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season :shock: and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.
Good points. Cats have other backs to take carries away and are likely better receivers. U C Davis doesn't. Maybe Scottre can't catch well enough, but maybe Jones is better option. Right now Larisson is better all around Scottre maybe a better runner. Can't say it's just online as that could be an argument for WR and QB as well.


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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:59 pm

ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:27 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:20 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.
For entertainment and information. And now to see if one of you will change the mind of the other as to which of these backs is obviously better. :wink:
Naw. I’m just going to berate you for not arguing the way I do. You sanctimonious twat!



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Re: Hero Sports PFF Highest Rated FCS Players by Position

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:01 pm

Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:49 pm
BleedingBLue wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:03 pm
Prodigal Cat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:20 pm
ilovethecats wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:13 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:08 pm
I think I despise PFF more than the Griz. They’re good for getting formation counts, snaps, etc, but their “ratings” are garbage meant to ensure attention.
Agreed. Fun for discussion but little else.

Here's a list from people I assume watch a ton of football so they must be right. 8)

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/top-10-r ... ks-in-2024

Like I said both backs are great. I'm very happy with Scottre as well as the rest of our backs. To get in a pissing match over who's "best" seems like a waste of time to me. I couldn't be happier that Scottre is a Bobcat. Hope he remains one. [-o<
Ah yes a list from June 30th is super relevant in a discussion about who the best RB is this season when its nearly Nov. I mean Julius is number 10 and he hasn't taken a snap.

Seriously though, if debating who is a better RB is "silly" or "a waste of time" what are you doing here? That's kinda exactly what goes on in a message board.
A running back has to do more than run the ball. Scottre has 952 yards of offense - 952 yards rushing (4th in the nation), ZERO receiving (last in the nation). Larison has 1,357 yards of offense - 821 rushing (8th in the nation), 536 Receiving (26th in the nation). I'm not saying Scottre is bad, not good, whatever. He is a fantastic runner. Larison is a fantastic all-around back.
We already had this debate but i'll give it another go. Larison has 100 more touches than Scottre so of course LL has more yards. If the Cats were in closer games I have zero doubt that SH would have significantly more yards. It's not Scottre's fault (well some of it is) that the Cats are blowing out teams and he has almost no touches the second half of games, or that they have a ton of depth at RB and a plethora of other weapons. The debate was started by which player should be higher in Phil Steels midseason all american rankings and by what I've watched Scottre is a better back even without catching the ball. He gets more defenders to miss, turns bad plays into good ones (last week was just the 2nd time he had been tackled for a loss this season :shock: and its not JUST because of the O-line, a LOT of defenders had him and missed), and he just trucks guys.
The number 1 RB in the NFL right now is Derrick Henry and he catches he ball once or less per game. So catching the ball might make you a different type of back, it doesn't automatically make you a better one.
Ahem. Henry is leading the league in rushing yards. That does not mean he’s the #1 back in the league. Jordan Mason has more rushing yards than Josh Jacobs, but Jacobs is better than Mason.



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