No Re-entry

[allcat]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

Well hold on, the players believing it makes a difference is not the same thing as it actually making a difference. Players wear a ton of eye black, even though there’s no benefit to that either. Coaches make wrong decisions all the time, they aren’t like chess robots. Look at the 49ers in the Super Bowl making the plainly wrong choice in overtime.

You just ignore everything your lying eyes or lying ears tell you. You just go with feelings, nothing more than feelings.

I think many of us are talking about two different things here allcat. Of COURSE players feed off the crowd. That's why homefield advantage is a thing. I think where some of us aren't eye to eye with this is that some are of the belief that the quantity of fans is most important, while people like myself maintain that it's the "quality" of the fans that are there. And I don't mean that as a put down.

I assume almost all of us go to the games. Many of us season ticket holders. We all know our section inside and out. We all know that all fans aren't the same. I'm in 104 and I can picture almost all in the section. I could easily pick out 30+ people in the area surrounding me that really wouldn't make a difference if they didn't come back to their seats! It won't change the noise or energy one iota because they don't bring that. And that's ok! We all like watching the game in our own way. But other than cosmetically the empty chairs, nothing else changes in that section. I'd assume that's the case in all of the sections.

I think MSU should get a decibel meter on the scoreboard. They're fun anyway, but it would be awesome to see the difference in noise when the game first started and how much of a dropoff if any to start the 3rd quarter. At the very least, for those of us in our seats in the 3rd quarter, it'd act as a competition and maybe even the quiet, sit-downers in my section would make a little more noise to match that of the start of the game.

That's all I was saying in this little back and forth we have going. I don't think of this as a big deal because I'm of the belief that those of us in our seats in the 3rd are generally the ones we want there and the ones that bring the noise and energy. Think a decibel reader would really shed some light as I maintain a couple of those playoff games in freezing weather with far less fans brought some of the most noise and best energy I have seen over the years.

I've been there it's not as loud. I would count myself as quality, I had a Weber fan get mad at me because he thought I was too loud. I get everything you guys are saying, I guess I choose to believe every coach we've had, opposing coaches and players over this years cupcake opponents. Opponents hate the Montana trips, they pipe noise into their practice when they come here. One false start can kill a drive.
I also know we can't do it, it would be a total cluster f##@. They could bring in a bunch of porta potties, but the vendors are inadequate.

[allcat]

What kinda beer should they serve if they started serving beer. Just a feeble attempt to get double digit pages for a bs thread.

[catatac]

At some point we all need to grow up enough to understand that we can’t control other people’s actions. A few posters on here want to lock people in and force them to act the way that they deem appropriate. Our OP keeps mentioning that 10 minutes of beer time with friends is a cheap sacrifice. Well maybe his beer is flat and his friends are lame. My ten minutes is worth the hike. I enjoy getting up and moving around at half. I’ll do it cause I can and don’t care what anyone, including Eck and Vigen, think about it.

THANK YOU utecats - this is the best post in this entire thread and it sums up my exact opinion on this whole thing. I have a bit of a system down to where I start working my way out of the stadium towards end of 1st half, and rarely miss a play. Then quick jump to one of the tailgates, suck down a beer or two and maybe grab a bite, and usually back in by kickoff... although I may stay out longer if we're blowing someone out. Like you, this 10-15 minutes for me is a big part of my gameday experience and I hope they don't change a thing. My last point on this is that however bad some people think the Cat fans are at getting their butts back to their seats - check out a Griz game 3rd quarter some time, even if they're playing a tough game. That fan base might be the worst in the country about that. We are light years ahead of them in that regard. Of course, a good chunk of the people at Griz games probably couldn't tell you who the Griz are playing.

[ilovethecats]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

Well hold on, the players believing it makes a difference is not the same thing as it actually making a difference. Players wear a ton of eye black, even though there’s no benefit to that either. Coaches make wrong decisions all the time, they aren’t like chess robots. Look at the 49ers in the Super Bowl making the plainly wrong choice in overtime.

You just ignore everything your lying eyes or lying ears tell you. You just go with feelings, nothing more than feelings.

I think many of us are talking about two different things here allcat. Of COURSE players feed off the crowd. That's why homefield advantage is a thing. I think where some of us aren't eye to eye with this is that some are of the belief that the quantity of fans is most important, while people like myself maintain that it's the "quality" of the fans that are there. And I don't mean that as a put down.

I assume almost all of us go to the games. Many of us season ticket holders. We all know our section inside and out. We all know that all fans aren't the same. I'm in 104 and I can picture almost all in the section. I could easily pick out 30+ people in the area surrounding me that really wouldn't make a difference if they didn't come back to their seats! It won't change the noise or energy one iota because they don't bring that. And that's ok! We all like watching the game in our own way. But other than cosmetically the empty chairs, nothing else changes in that section. I'd assume that's the case in all of the sections.

I think MSU should get a decibel meter on the scoreboard. They're fun anyway, but it would be awesome to see the difference in noise when the game first started and how much of a dropoff if any to start the 3rd quarter. At the very least, for those of us in our seats in the 3rd quarter, it'd act as a competition and maybe even the quiet, sit-downers in my section would make a little more noise to match that of the start of the game.

That's all I was saying in this little back and forth we have going. I don't think of this as a big deal because I'm of the belief that those of us in our seats in the 3rd are generally the ones we want there and the ones that bring the noise and energy. Think a decibel reader would really shed some light as I maintain a couple of those playoff games in freezing weather with far less fans brought some of the most noise and best energy I have seen over the years.

I've been there it's not as loud. I would count myself as quality, I had a Weber fan get mad at me because he thought I was too loud. I get everything you guys are saying, I guess I choose to believe every coach we've had, opposing coaches and players over this years cupcake opponents. Opponents hate the Montana trips, they pipe noise into their practice when they come here. One false start can kill a drive.
I also know we can't do it, it would be a total cluster f##@. They could bring in a bunch of porta potties, but the vendors are inadequate.

No question we couldn't eliminate re-entry right now. We can barely handle what we have now in the concourses with many people going outside. And if they ever decide to pull that trigger people will whine but we'll adjust.

In regards to not as loud I think it just depends on the game. I too have been there. Lol. Every home game besides 1 in the last 20 years. No question sometimes in the 3rd it's not as loud depending on opponent. I just don't feel like that's the impression I got in big, meaningful games. As I said one only has to look at playoff games to see it can still get very loud with the right people in their seats regardless of the numbers.

And I too believe what every coach and player says. I've said as much. Every coach in the world wants a packed house, and loud and rowdy crowd. I doubt anyone disputes that. I just don't think as many people are gone than some have said. I have never seen half the crowd gone in a big game. I don't think people are gone for as long as people are saying in big games. I don't think the only reason they are late is because of beers with buddies. And I don't think it's as quiet as those have proclaimed but no one has a way to prove that.

Like I said I feel this is all moot. It's a huge game. People will be in their seats at kickoff or close to. And the ones that ARE there will bring the noise and energy.

[tetoncat]

Never fails. I have a tailgate, go out at half, and make it back before the kick off, and I don’t give two ****** if some people don’t. It’s their choice and they are usually the ones spending a lot of their money on MSU athletics, so yeah let’s implement that rule.

This. Tickets are expensive. Hotels are expensive. Tailgating spots are expensive. Gas is expensive. If people are willing to incur these costs to go to a game, they are sure as hell entitled to be ten minutes late from halftime.

I’m guessing most that don’t want re-entry don’t have a tailgate or group to go to so they just think all should not be able to. It’s childish. Advantage or not you don’t control peoples decisions with whining.

For me it's more about believing I can enjoy my tailgating before and after and most others do as well. Those that leave before half and come back mid 3rd or later force me and others to get up and down multiple times some games so it does impact our experience. So those who say we shouldn't force them to enjoy a certain way need to realize they are doing the same thing.

[77matman]

Wait. Wait.

The solution is simple. Make halftime 20 minutes.

+1

Couldn’t figure out the lol on the original.

[utucats]

At some point we all need to grow up enough to understand that we can’t control other people’s actions. A few posters on here want to lock people in and force them to act the way that they deem appropriate. Our OP keeps mentioning that 10 minutes of beer time with friends is a cheap sacrifice. Well maybe his beer is flat and his friends are lame. My ten minutes is worth the hike. I enjoy getting up and moving around at half. I’ll do it cause I can and don’t care what anyone, including Eck and Vigen, think about it.

Are you saying having no reentry is locking fans up and controlling them? So 80% of stadiums are doing that. Is having to go through security and bag checks control. Should be first come gets seats, why do they make us get tickets.

I’m saying lobbying to force other people to act the way you prefer is childish behavior. Sit in your seat every second if you wish, I won’t make you enjoy the game my way.

[allcat]

At some point we all need to grow up enough to understand that we can’t control other people’s actions. A few posters on here want to lock people in and force them to act the way that they deem appropriate. Our OP keeps mentioning that 10 minutes of beer time with friends is a cheap sacrifice. Well maybe his beer is flat and his friends are lame. My ten minutes is worth the hike. I enjoy getting up and moving around at half. I’ll do it cause I can and don’t care what anyone, including Eck and Vigen, think about it.

Are you saying having no reentry is locking fans up and controlling them? So 80% of stadiums are doing that. Is having to go through security and bag checks control. Should be first come gets seats, why do they make us get tickets.

I’m saying lobbying to force other people to act the way you prefer is childish behavior. Sit in your seat every second if you wish, I won’t make you enjoy the game my way.

That's quite a position during the horrible political season we are in.

[SAE94]

I am sure I missed it, but why is it taboo again to sell beer in the stadium AND let people go out to tailgate at halftime. I would stay in my seat and have a few. I don't like feeling rushed pounding one beer at a tailgate and shotgunning the second one on the way back to the gate. Maybe selling beer in the stands might lower the price of the tailgating spots everyone seems to be complaining about, but I digress.

[tetoncat]

At some point we all need to grow up enough to understand that we can’t control other people’s actions. A few posters on here want to lock people in and force them to act the way that they deem appropriate. Our OP keeps mentioning that 10 minutes of beer time with friends is a cheap sacrifice. Well maybe his beer is flat and his friends are lame. My ten minutes is worth the hike. I enjoy getting up and moving around at half. I’ll do it cause I can and don’t care what anyone, including Eck and Vigen, think about it.

Are you saying having no reentry is locking fans up and controlling them? So 80% of stadiums are doing that. Is having to go through security and bag checks control. Should be first come gets seats, why do they make us get tickets.

I’m saying lobbying to force other people to act the way you prefer is childish behavior. Sit in your seat every second if you wish, I won’t make you enjoy the game my way.

Sure thing. Those who express a desire to have people stay in, yell loud, not have mass exodus in an out while other are watching the game, and tailgate before and after are childish. But those that say it's my right to enjoy however I want and you can't change any of that are the adults

[ilovethecats]

I am sure I missed it, but why is it taboo again to sell beer in the stadium AND let people go out to tailgate at halftime. I would stay in my seat and have a few. I don't like feeling rushed pounding one beer at a tailgate and shotgunning the second one on the way back to the gate. Maybe selling beer in the stands might lower the price of the tailgating spots everyone seems to be complaining about, but I digress.

Just a liability issue. They can't be responsible for what happens outside the stadium such as over consumption or underage drinking.

[RickRund]

Some of us act like we’re back in grade school.

“But he’s soooo mean to me!”

You show your true colors every time you post Seriously, who names themselves Belligerent and thinks it’s cool. Time to grow up little man!

Have you ever thought to yourself:

“Wow! I take this message board thing WAY too seriously!”?

Chill dude. None of this matters, it’s all just for entertainment.

Good cop, bad cop...

[RickRund]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

Well hold on, the players believing it makes a difference is not the same thing as it actually making a difference. Players wear a ton of eye black, even though there’s no benefit to that either. Coaches make wrong decisions all the time, they aren’t like chess robots. Look at the 49ers in the Super Bowl making the plainly wrong choice in overtime.

You just ignore everything your lying eyes or lying ears tell you. You just go with feelings, nothing more than feelings.

I think many of us are talking about two different things here allcat. Of COURSE players feed off the crowd. That's why homefield advantage is a thing. I think where some of us aren't eye to eye with this is that some are of the belief that the quantity of fans is most important, while people like myself maintain that it's the "quality" of the fans that are there. And I don't mean that as a put down.

I assume almost all of us go to the games. Many of us season ticket holders. We all know our section inside and out. We all know that all fans aren't the same. I'm in 104 and I can picture almost all in the section. I could easily pick out 30+ people in the area surrounding me that really wouldn't make a difference if they didn't come back to their seats! It won't change the noise or energy one iota because they don't bring that. And that's ok! We all like watching the game in our own way. But other than cosmetically the empty chairs, nothing else changes in that section. I'd assume that's the case in all of the sections.

I think MSU should get a decibel meter on the scoreboard. They're fun anyway, but it would be awesome to see the difference in noise when the game first started and how much of a dropoff if any to start the 3rd quarter. At the very least, for those of us in our seats in the 3rd quarter, it'd act as a competition and maybe even the quiet, sit-downers in my section would make a little more noise to match that of the start of the game.

That's all I was saying in this little back and forth we have going. I don't think of this as a big deal because I'm of the belief that those of us in our seats in the 3rd are generally the ones we want there and the ones that bring the noise and energy. Think a decibel reader would really shed some light as I maintain a couple of those playoff games in freezing weather with far less fans brought some of the most noise and best energy I have seen over the years.

I would bet our noise shed is louder than 99.9% of others noiseshed.

[ike11ike]

On the topic of getting loud for big games...when I was an undergrad at Michigan State (Montana State graduate student)...on 3rd down...while yelling...we'd shake our keys...it's pretty awesomely annoying and really adds to the uniquely distracting vibe of 3rd down for the opposing offense. Join me in key shaking during 3rd downs on Saturday night my brothers and sisters.

[RickRund]

I'm just here to see how many pages we can get this thread to....

A good poll question...

[allcat]

On the topic of getting loud for big games...when I was an undergrad at Michigan State (Montana State graduate student)...on 3rd down...while yelling...we'd shake our keys...it's pretty awesomely annoying and really adds to the uniquely distracting vibe of 3rd down for the opposing offense. Join me in key shaking during 3rd downs on Saturday night my brothers and sisters.

You never heard of cowbells?

[ike11ike]

On the topic of getting loud for big games...when I was an undergrad at Michigan State (Montana State graduate student)...on 3rd down...while yelling...we'd shake our keys...it's pretty awesomely annoying and really adds to the uniquely distracting vibe of 3rd down for the opposing offense. Join me in key shaking during 3rd downs on Saturday night my brothers and sisters.

You never heard of cowbells?

Sir, I do not have cowbells in my pocket without having to think...

[RickRund]

On the topic of getting loud for big games...when I was an undergrad at Michigan State (Montana State graduate student)...on 3rd down...while yelling...we'd shake our keys...it's pretty awesomely annoying and really adds to the uniquely distracting vibe of 3rd down for the opposing offense. Join me in key shaking during 3rd downs on Saturday night my brothers and sisters.

You never heard of cowbells?

Sir, I do not have cowbells in my pocket without having to think...

Are we allowed cowbells? Thought I remembered they are a no-no or is that just playoffs?

[coloradocat]

On the topic of getting loud for big games...when I was an undergrad at Michigan State (Montana State graduate student)...on 3rd down...while yelling...we'd shake our keys...it's pretty awesomely annoying and really adds to the uniquely distracting vibe of 3rd down for the opposing offense. Join me in key shaking during 3rd downs on Saturday night my brothers and sisters.

You never heard of cowbells?

Sir, I do not have cowbells in my pocket without having to think...

Are we allowed cowbells? Thought I remembered they are a no-no or is that just playoffs?

The NCAA bans them for the playoffs.

[RickRund]

On the topic of getting loud for big games...when I was an undergrad at Michigan State (Montana State graduate student)...on 3rd down...while yelling...we'd shake our keys...it's pretty awesomely annoying and really adds to the uniquely distracting vibe of 3rd down for the opposing offense. Join me in key shaking during 3rd downs on Saturday night my brothers and sisters.

You never heard of cowbells?

Sir, I do not have cowbells in my pocket without having to think...

Are we allowed cowbells? Thought I remembered they are a no-no or is that just playoffs?

The NCAA bans them for the playoffs.

Thanks...