Hey ya'll - Hey State

Post by **rtb** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:20 pm

El_Gato wrote:Boz,

Speaking only for myself, the reason I dislike the man (although I use that term loosely) is that while I expect & relish us fans being childish (good-naturedly, I hope) about the rivalry, I expect more from a head coach.

I hope you've had the chance to see and/or hear Kramer talk about the Griz program. It's very flattering & I believe very genuine. I honestly feel the same way; I'd LOVE IT if our program was at the same level. Hauck treats it, however, like a spoiled rich kid. He acts like the success & tradition at UM is HIS and that no one else could ever possibly be as good as him or his program. On the rare occasion that Hauck praises anyone or any team besides the almighty Griz, it comes across as so phony, it makes me nauseous; it's as if he KNOWS that he should be complementary, but his heart's just not really in it.

It's a total lack of class and I'm amazed that he is that immature for a man his age & level of responsibility.

Well said, I agree that as fans we all can be rediculous, childish, whatever when it comes to the rival, but that is part of the fun. A coach should not act this way and Baby Hauck doesn't understand how to behave any other way than child like.

Cat Gal · Post by **Cat Gal** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:26 pm

Pardon me bozgriz, but yes there was a problem at the GranTree, but two other hotels had vacancies and repeatedly asked your administration to stay with them but they said no. In fact, one hotel offered them a free breakfast.

Bozgriz · Post by **Bozgriz** » Fri Oct 29, 2004 2:47 pm

Cat Gal wrote:Pardon me bozgriz, but yes there was a problem at the GranTree, but two other hotels had vacancies and repeatedly asked your administration to stay with them but they said no. In fact, one hotel offered them a free breakfast.

Very true cat Gal however, once the shopping around started, the Livingston alum made UM an offer they couldn't refuse...

Personally, I would prefer that Griz teams stay in Bozeman. Hell, I live here too...and in the future I am certain they will. It was just an unfortunate situation that hopefully won't repeat itself...

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:32 am

el_gato wrote

Hauck treats it, however, like a spoiled rich kid. He acts like the success & tradition at UM is HIS and that no one else could ever possibly be as good as him or his program.

It's a total lack of class and I'm amazed that he is that immature for a man his age & level of responsibility

Where does this garbage come from? Soiled little rich kid??? No one else could ever possibly be as good as him or his program???? He is that immature for a man his age & level of responsibility????

WOW. What, you've seen/heard a few minutes of his sound bites and/or TV clips, and been able to ascertain all of this.

It's amazing how short everyone’s memory is. Think back to Kramer’s first year at msu. Most hated him and wanted him ran out of town. And this of a guy who had past head coaching experience. It must be killing you that we didn't go 0 for 11 in Hauks first year.

My best guess is cat fans already have GRIZ coach envy. They see the quality of recruits and the continued success, and know they will always be playing second fiddle to the GRIZ.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:08 am

Eastcoastgriz wrote:el_gato wrote

Hauck treats it, however, like a spoiled rich kid. He acts like the success & tradition at UM is HIS and that no one else could ever possibly be as good as him or his program.

It's a total lack of class and I'm amazed that he is that immature for a man his age & level of responsibility

Where does this garbage come from? Soiled little rich kid??? No one else could ever possibly be as good as him or his program???? He is that immature for a man his age & level of responsibility????

WOW. What, you've seen/heard a few minutes of his sound bites and/or TV clips, and been able to ascertain all of this.

It's amazing how short everyone’s memory is. Think back to Kramer’s first year at msu. Most hated him and wanted him ran out of town. And this of a guy who had past head coaching experience. It must be killing you that we didn't go 0 for 11 in Hauks first year.

My best guess is cat fans already have GRIZ coach envy. They see the quality of recruits and the continued success, and know they will always be playing second fiddle to the GRIZ.

And my best guess is Griz fans refuse to acknowledge that anything in their program whatsoever isn't perfect. Cat fans are usually critical of players/coaches, and we tend to hold them accountable for their actions. Griz fans, on the other hand, don't see any flaws in a whole lot. Sure I hear the occassional rant about a player here and there, but even then it's followed by a massacre of excuses.

I take opinions about the Cat program from outsiders to heart, as long as it isn't just immature babble. The best point of view is often times from an outsider. Face it, the Griz haven't really faced much criticism pre-Hauck era, but now that there is some descrepency about Hauck and his staff, and the program in general, Griz fans are getting really defensive and refusing to believe any of the slander.

One person talks, it's no big deal. A few people talk, it's probably just a rumor. Several people talk, and maybe their misinformed. But with as much people out there who are criticizing Hauck, maybe there really IS something to criticize? I mean, it's not just a few bitter Cat fans criticizing the man. I know many Griz fans who are less than thrilled about him being head coach. My Dad, a UM grad and a long-time Griz fan, said Hauck is a whiner and doesn't show near as much class as previous Griz coaches.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:22 am

Jerseygriz,

You're a moron.

To address your points in order...

eastcoastgriz wrote:WOW. What, you've seen/heard a few minutes of his sound bites and/or TV clips, and been able to ascertain all of this.

I belong to a "fraternal" organization here in Kalispell and unfortunately my Griz brothers insist on subjecting all of us to listening to the Griz coach at least twice a year; I've listened to BH for at least 90 minutes total at that venue. I've also seen him & heard him speak at 3 different golf tournaments that I've attended. I met him and listened to him speak at a breakfast in Polson last year. I've read EVERY word he has been quoted as saying by Pravda; I mean the Missoulian. I've heard at least half of his post-game interviews.

Based on all this DIRECT experience with the man plus what I hear from others, INCLUDING Griz fans, I have "ascertained" my feelings about what type of person BH is. It's funny to me that YOU probably don't have 10% of the DIRECT experience with BH that I do, and yet YOU are telling me that you know him better than I? LMFAO

eastcoastgriz wrote:It's amazing how short everyone’s memory is. Think back to Kramer’s first year at msu. Most hated him and wanted him ran out of town. And this of a guy who had past head coaching experience.

Talk about someone speaking out of his ass & not having a clue what he's talking about, it's you Jerseyjerk. I guarantee you that I know of not a SINGLE Bobcat fan who hated Kramer and/or wanted him run out of town his first season. MOST hated him? Nice generalization; that one qualifies as one of the Top Ten most-asinine comments I've read here, and THAT'S saying something!

eastcoastgriz wrote:My best guess is cat fans already have GRIZ coach envy. They see the quality of recruits and the continued success, and know they will always be playing second fiddle to the GRIZ.

Speaking for myself here, I couldn't disagree more. I wouldn't want Hauck within 100 miles of my football program. I was glad when Glenn left because I knew he would keep Griz football near the top of both the Big Sky & 1AA football. I will be sad when the Griz fire BH in a season or 2 because I know if they let him stay longer than that, the Griz will fall from their once-lofty perch.

Don't worry, jersey, all this will be proven over the next 5 or so years as Kramer's "stock" continues to rise and Hauck ends up joining the scrap heap of coaches who just couldn't quite cut it.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:01 am

El_Gato wrote

You're a moron.

Ouch

It's funny to me that YOU probably don't have 10% of the DIRECT experience with BH that I do, and yet YOU are telling me that you know him better than I? LMFAO

Really, am always amazed with a statement like this. How did you figure this one out genius????

eastcoastgriz wrote:It's amazing how short everyone’s memory is. Think back to Kramer’s first year at msu. Most hated him and wanted him ran out of town. And this of a guy who had past head coaching experience.

speaking out of his ass & not having a clue what he's talking about, it's you Jerseyjerk

Ouch, Ouch

Talk about someone speaking out of his ass & not having a clue what he's talking about, it's you Jerseyjerk. I guarantee you that I know of not a SINGLE Bobcat fan who hated Kramer and/or wanted him run out of town his first season. MOST hated him? Nice generalization; that one qualifies as one of the Top Ten most-asinine comments I've read here, and THAT'S saying something!

Maybe you need to go back into the archives of the old cat ESPN board before you make a statement like that!!.

eastcoastgriz wrote:My best guess is cat fans already have GRIZ coach envy. They see the quality of recruits and the continued success, and know they will always be playing second fiddle to the GRIZ.

Speaking for myself here, I couldn't disagree more. I wouldn't want Hauck within 100 miles of my football program. I was glad when Glenn left because I knew he would keep Griz football near the top of both the Big Sky & 1AA football. I will be sad when the Griz fire BH in a season or 2 because I know if they let him stay longer than that, the Griz will fall from their once-lofty perch.

Help me out here, who has the best record in the BSC? Who is rated number 4 in the nation? Your right Hauck has driven our program into the ground.

Don't worry, jersey, all this will be proven over the next 5 or so years as Kramer's "stock" continues to rise and Hauck ends up joining the scrap heap of coaches who just couldn't quite cut it.

Coach Hauck has already shown his great recruiting skills. I have no doubt the GRIZ will continue to remain one of the top 1AA teams for years to come!

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 10:20 am

CelticCat wrote

And my best guess is Griz fans refuse to acknowledge that anything in their program whatsoever isn't perfect. Cat fans are usually critical of players/coaches, and we tend to hold them accountable for their actions. Griz fans, on the other hand, don't see any flaws in a whole lot. Sure I hear the occassional rant about a player here and there, but even then it's followed by a massacre of excuses.

Why don't you ask Coach Glenn or Coach Hauck of the demands GRIZ fans put on our program? I always find in funny when fans from another teams claim they are more critical, we hold them more accountable. Total hogwash. If any one is looking through rose colored glasses, it cats fans.

I take opinions about the Cat program from outsiders to heart, as long as it isn't just immature babble. The best point of view is often times from an outsider. Face it, the Griz haven't really faced much criticism pre-Hauck era, but now that there is some descrepency about Hauck and his staff, and the program in general, Griz fans are getting really defensive and refusing to believe any of the slander.

You take opinions from outsiders to heart?? Did you take it to heart when the fans of Portland, Weber and Idaho State said you were lucky to win those games? Tell me exactly what kind of stuff you take to heart?

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:17 pm

bearBAC wrote:
How does the Butte Media feel about the Kittens at "state"?

I'm sorry, but since when does anybody care about anything in regards to Butte in general? I didn't even know they had their own media outlets in Butte... I thought they still used town criars.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:48 pm

Here's what I take to heart, jersey:

Overall, MSU athletic teams fare better in the Big Sky Conference than do those from UM. Please don't waste our time trying to argue this fact, because the mountain of data that can & will be dumped on you will only show you to be the pathetic jerk that you are.

MSU's student-athletes consistently outperform their UM counterparts in the classroom; last time I checked, THAT is the reason we have collegiate athletics. Please don't waste our time trying to argue this fact, because the mountain of data that can & will be dumped on you will only show you to be the pathetic jerk that you are.

Bully for you Griz fans that you have a great football program; it's a good thing because without that and a solid, although faltering, women's basketball program, your athletic department would be mired in the basement of the Big Sky. You should thank God every night that Don Read came to Missoula and built the Griz football tradition that still exists today; it remains to be seen whether Hauck has what it takes to keep that tradition alive. My personal opinion is that he can't & won't.

Bobcat student-athletes, on average, perform better in their field of competition and in the classroom than the Griz. Again, you Griz (football) fans should be grateful that you at least have ONE thing to cling to. Take away that single program, and athletics at the UM would be the laughingstock of the league.

THAT is what I take heart in.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:30 pm

El_Gato wrote:Here's what I take to heart, jersey:

Overall, MSU athletic teams fare better in the Big Sky Conference than do those from UM. Please don't waste our time trying to argue this fact, because the mountain of data that can & will be dumped on you will only show you to be the pathetic jerk that you are.

MSU's student-athletes consistently outperform their UM counterparts in the classroom; last time I checked, THAT is the reason we have collegiate athletics. Please don't waste our time trying to argue this fact, because the mountain of data that can & will be dumped on you will only show you to be the pathetic jerk that you are.

Bully for you Griz fans that you have a great football program; it's a good thing because without that and a solid, although faltering, women's basketball program, your athletic department would be mired in the basement of the Big Sky. You should thank God every night that Don Read came to Missoula and built the Griz football tradition that still exists today; it remains to be seen whether Hauck has what it takes to keep that tradition alive. My personal opinion is that he can't & won't.

Bobcat student-athletes, on average, perform better in their field of competition and in the classroom than the Griz. Again, you Griz (football) fans should be grateful that you at least have ONE thing to cling to. Take away that single program, and athletics at the UM would be the laughingstock of the league.

THAT is what I take heart in.

???? I responded to your post and you responded to what? Help me out here. If you can’t respond to a post there is no shame in saying so.

Now on to this post. Why do some cat fans claim we have just football and nothing else? Let me help you out here. 1. Football - premier program in the BSC last 10 years. 2. Women’s Basketball - premier program in the BSC forever. Men’s Basketball - average, very similar to the bobcats. Are there any other sports that matter?? Maybe to a few.

it remains to be seen whether Hauck has what it takes to keep that tradition alive. My personal opinion is that he can't & won't.

Your absolute correct again. He has run our program into the ground.

Peace out.

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 1:31 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote: Where does this garbage come from? Soiled little rich kid??? No one else could ever possibly be as good as him or his program???? He is that immature for a man his age & level of responsibility????

Actually, that seems to be a fairly accurate description for a lot of Griz fans in general. When griz fans act this way, they like to call it Griz Envy, and say that you are a player hatin' chump who is just jealous.

Eastcoastgriz wrote:It's amazing how short everyone’s memory is. Think back to Kramer’s first year at msu. Most hated him and wanted him ran out of town.

Hmm, I'm a booster and QBC member and I don't remember very much of that sentiment floating around. But then again I am on the cover-up committee for "First down Bobcats!", a diabolical organization that plans on ruling the world by convincing everyone that we yell "Bobcats!" after first downs; when in reality we intentionally copy UM fans by yelling "Montana!" So you never know, I could be smudging what people were feeling after that first year.

Eastcoastgriz wrote:My best guess is cat fans already have GRIZ coach envy.

*yawn* Shocking analysis, doctor... I hadn't even read this part of your post when I mentioned "Griz Envy" earlier. How fitting that I see you use it as your last-ditch effort to make us feel inferior.

Eastcoastgriz wrote:They see the quality of recruits and the continued success, and know they will always be playing second fiddle to the GRIZ.

If by "second fiddle to the GRIZ" you mean beating the GRIZ and clinching automatic playoff berths, then I guess it's probably okay with most of us.

And what is with all this stupid recruit BS I keep seeing from you guys? What, because Boobs called some kid on a cell phone in the game tunnel everyone he signs is a future All American? I don't blame a Griz fan for being too ignorant to notice that the 'Cats have signed their fair share of top IAA prospects the last few seasons. We're not going to be bad anytime soon, sorry friz.

In my opinion, Griz Envy is nothing more than Griz Delusion... For some reason Griz fans have had the impression that their team is somehow untouchable, or incapable of decline. When you have a mindset like that it's easy to see why one would resort to an exorbitant amount of chest pounding when another competitor shows up on the scene.

While the likes of EastCoastGriz may claim that we are delerious with denial, it is more just a case of us being exited about reality. At MSU the stadium may not be as big or ugly, but the football team is every bit as good as the one in Missoula. Far from being impossible, friz fans, scary isn't it?

/PoundChest

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:38 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:It's amazing how short everyone’s memory is. Think back to Kramer’s first year at msu. Most hated him and wanted him ran out of town.

Hmm, I'm a booster and QBC member and I don't remember very much of that sentiment floating around. But then again I am on the cover-up committee for "First down Bobcats!", a diabolical organization that plans on ruling the world by convincing everyone that we yell "Bobcats!" after first downs; when in reality we intentionally copy UM fans by yelling "Montana!" So you never know, I could be smudging what people were feeling after that first year.

Hence the short memory comment.

Later

neverplayed · Post by **neverplayed** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 4:35 pm

..........who me? Worry?

After Northern Arizona & Sacramento State Dump the Frizzlies on their derriers, your kittens will be primed for a great slaughter on Nov. 20.

After what your kitty's did to Northern Arizona this past weekend,. anything but a lopsided 60 point output against the frizzlies will truly be a dissapointment.........

What I want to see is Bobby Hauck (The Arrogant A$$h@ll, at midfield, aplogizing to everyone) and watching him be tossed out of Montana once and for all! He can go join his pal, Rick Neuheisel, in Vegas.......whorring with the rest of their kind.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:04 pm

OK, no more joking around.

NEVERPLAYED, PLEASE SEEK SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

I'm almost afraid to walk around Kalispell these days; I'm having nightmares about a guy with an MSU t-shirt, a griz jacket, and a CSU hat running through the streets with an AK-47, mowing down innocent civilians like Rambo, all the while muttering "s-s-s-STATE, f#@%ing s-s-s-STATE...).

Post by **rtb** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:10 pm

El_Gato wrote:OK, no more joking around.

NEVERPLAYED, PLEASE SEEK SOME PSYCHIATRIC HELP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

I'm almost afraid to walk around Kalispell these days; I'm having nightmares about a guy with an MSU t-shirt, a griz jacket, a CSU hat running through the streets with an AK-47, mowing down innocent civilians like Rambo, all the while muttering "s-s-s-STATE, f#@%ing s-s-s-STATE...).

EXACTLY! I was planning on making the trip home for Thanksgiving, but I don't think I dare show up in Kalispell with him roaming the streets!

neverplayed · Post by **neverplayed** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:56 pm

Fellas you are so kind!

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:33 pm

What I want to see is Bobby Hauck (The Arrogant A$$h@ll, at midfield, aplogizing to everyone) and watching him be tossed out of Montana once and for all! He can go join his pal, Rick Neuheisel, in Vegas.......whorring with the rest of their kind.

neverhadaclue,
Neuheisel is here? cool, maybe UNLV will be fun to go watch!
Better yet, SHUT UP

GO AWAY BAD DREAM!!!!

neverplayed · Post by **neverplayed** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:05 pm

in downtown Kalispell...........I'll be looking for you in your "clown" hat and your beer stained Daffy Duck tie.

eL Gato, I heard you were most likely to get a job in a salad bar and jerk-off into the mayonnaise, ending up being featured on the new TV Show 'Caught In The Act.'

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:24 pm

DAMN!

And I thought those court documents were sealed...

neverplayed, did you enjoy your salad that night?

Hey ya'll - Hey State

Well Said

Re: Well Said

Re: Well Said

Re: Well Said

A frisking

Re: A frisking

Its just a game, folks

Gee Thanks!

eL Gato, look for me