Tyler Walker New OC

[BelligerentBobcat]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

[TomCat88]

If there was one way tried and true way to hire coaches we’d all know what that is and the coaches would always follow it.

If the offense or defense fails this year it won’t be because Vigen didn’t do his due diligence. He’s the most thorough coach I’ve been around.

It took Jeff three years to find the best fit at OC when he started at MSU. The only coach who figured out how to make our offensive personnel the best version of themselves was Matt Miller...who had zero playcalling experience. I still remember his first game against Idaho State. We lost but the offensive looked a little different in alignments/formations as well as personnel. We lost the game but offensively it looked like the version that fit Troy as a QB.

Housewright built an offensive around running the ball in various ways and getting your outside playmakers one-on-one opportunities in the pass game. Here were his final Big Sky ranks (I hate when they list FCS ranks because conferences are so drastically different):

2021:

Points: 5th (28.7/game)
YPG: 5th (402.0/game)
Rushing: 1st (220.9/game - 45 yards better than second)
Passing: 12th (181.1/game)
Passing Efficiency: 2nd (This means we were incredibly productive when we did throw the ball...means you have a good playcaller...and maybe Lance McCutcheon)

2022:

Points: 1st (42.9/game)
YPG: 2nd (494.8/game)
Rushing: 1st (310.8/game)
Passing: 12th (184.0/game - improved by 3 yards!)
Passing Efficiency: 3rd (Again...very effective when we did throw the ball despite the low yardage ranking)

2023:

Points: 1st (39.9/game)
YPG: 1st (473.4/game)
Rushing: 1st (292.4/game)
Passing: 9th (181.0/game - improved the ranking but fell back to 2021 number!)
Passing Efficiency: 1st

What's the takeaway here? Looking at it objectively, its hard to call the Housewright experience anything but a resounding success given he was a first year playcaller in 2021. Again, focus was on running the ball but taking your shot plays through the air when they're available. However, being a fan you micro-analyze every slip up and this year we just had too many in big situations. Hard to have a stat for that but if I go back to every big moment, the results are going to be less than average. Whether it be execution or a poor playcall, it just didn't work this year. Also, we put a lot on Tommy and Sean on the ground despite having a talented backfield. 2022 numbers are so impressive because we missed Tommy for parts of the year, our RB room was decimated, and Lance could bail us out through the air anymore. Sean, Elijah Elliot, Garrett Coon, Willie P, and the Oline were huge for us. Anyway, good luck to Taylor and hopefully he continues to mature. Players loved playing for him but he never quite embraced the MSU community...not that its a requirement to lead an offense.

Interesting tidbit: Despite being 1st in points, YPG, rushing (probably yards per carry, WAY more important than yards per game), the Cats were 17th in 3rd down conversion & #49 in 4th down conversion (30% points behind SDSU...a MASSIVE gap).

That tells me that similar to the Cramsey era, this was an offense that thrived on 1) Big plays and 2) putting up Madden type numbers against bad teams. Converting 3rds & 4ths against top notch defenses is a lot different than relying on TM & SC to bust open big plays.

Interesting

This team put up madden numbers against really good teams though.

Bump

[tetoncat]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

[Cat Grad]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

His age is his major impediment to moving up. He spent one too many years at MSU. Can he make up for lost time career wise at Nevada? Check back in four years.

[onceacat]

If there was one way tried and true way to hire coaches we’d all know what that is and the coaches would always follow it.

If the offense or defense fails this year it won’t be because Vigen didn’t do his due diligence. He’s the most thorough coach I’ve been around.

It took Jeff three years to find the best fit at OC when he started at MSU. The only coach who figured out how to make our offensive personnel the best version of themselves was Matt Miller...who had zero playcalling experience. I still remember his first game against Idaho State. We lost but the offensive looked a little different in alignments/formations as well as personnel. We lost the game but offensively it looked like the version that fit Troy as a QB.

Housewright built an offensive around running the ball in various ways and getting your outside playmakers one-on-one opportunities in the pass game. Here were his final Big Sky ranks (I hate when they list FCS ranks because conferences are so drastically different):

2021:

Points: 5th (28.7/game)
YPG: 5th (402.0/game)
Rushing: 1st (220.9/game - 45 yards better than second)
Passing: 12th (181.1/game)
Passing Efficiency: 2nd (This means we were incredibly productive when we did throw the ball...means you have a good playcaller...and maybe Lance McCutcheon)

2022:

Points: 1st (42.9/game)
YPG: 2nd (494.8/game)
Rushing: 1st (310.8/game)
Passing: 12th (184.0/game - improved by 3 yards!)
Passing Efficiency: 3rd (Again...very effective when we did throw the ball despite the low yardage ranking)

2023:

Points: 1st (39.9/game)
YPG: 1st (473.4/game)
Rushing: 1st (292.4/game)
Passing: 9th (181.0/game - improved the ranking but fell back to 2021 number!)
Passing Efficiency: 1st

What's the takeaway here? Looking at it objectively, its hard to call the Housewright experience anything but a resounding success given he was a first year playcaller in 2021. Again, focus was on running the ball but taking your shot plays through the air when they're available. However, being a fan you micro-analyze every slip up and this year we just had too many in big situations. Hard to have a stat for that but if I go back to every big moment, the results are going to be less than average. Whether it be execution or a poor playcall, it just didn't work this year. Also, we put a lot on Tommy and Sean on the ground despite having a talented backfield. 2022 numbers are so impressive because we missed Tommy for parts of the year, our RB room was decimated, and Lance could bail us out through the air anymore. Sean, Elijah Elliot, Garrett Coon, Willie P, and the Oline were huge for us. Anyway, good luck to Taylor and hopefully he continues to mature. Players loved playing for him but he never quite embraced the MSU community...not that its a requirement to lead an offense.

Interesting tidbit: Despite being 1st in points, YPG, rushing (probably yards per carry, WAY more important than yards per game), the Cats were 17th in 3rd down conversion & #49 in 4th down conversion (30% points behind SDSU...a MASSIVE gap).

That tells me that similar to the Cramsey era, this was an offense that thrived on 1) Big plays and 2) putting up Madden type numbers against bad teams. Converting 3rds & 4ths against top notch defenses is a lot different than relying on TM & SC to bust open big plays.

Interesting

This team put up madden numbers against really good teams though.

Bump

I would dispute that. Decent to good numbers? Sure. But certainly not Madden numbers agains SDSU (3x) NDSU 2x or UM (2 out of 3 times...the game in Bozeman, yeah, those were Maddenesque).

[onceacat]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

And what I'm saying is that theres nothing to indicate that Nevada is the best job he could get as co-DC of a playoff team. Heck, other than the pay increase, its a clear demotion from being DC at an SEC school.

Jeff Choate wants to jump at new opportunities. He doesnt wait for the 'best' opportunity. He jumps. Its in his nature.

I was far from the biggest Choate fan on this board (mostly because of his incompetence at recruiting & developing QBs). But acting like Nevada was the best move Choate could make is...pretty weird.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

[onceacat]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

He's not getting that job. Zero chance. If the guy they hire fails like Jimmy lake did and Choate gets it going at Nevada, he'll have a good shot next time. He and DeBoer weren't that dissimilar to a certain point in their career. Choate took an FCS head job and Deboer went the G5 coordinator route. That's where their paths diverged. I wonder if Choate would say the 4 years here didn't advance his career. I would think given his association with Kwiatkowski he gets the same job at Texas regardless of where he was at the time. Interesting how one decision can shape the next 10 years for a coach.

I don't think Choate is getting a job at a NC contender as an HC anytime soon. I think he could easily get a job at a mid tier Power 5 or top tier G5 school if he showed patience.

If he sticks at Texas (assuming they are playing for SEC championships) for another couple years, he clearly has a higher move than Nevada.

[onceacat]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

[Cat Grad]

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Why would Klieman even think of leaving KSU for Washington? Who in their right mind would go to Seattle just as they move into the Big 10? Left coast arrogance at it's finest.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/footba ... nevada-gig

[GoldstoneCat]

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Yeah that's a legit point. Either leipold or klieman could get that job. Not out of the realm of the possible that Choate could have gotten himself in the mix at those places.

[PapaG]

Chuck Morrell is about to go from being the Montana Tech head coach as of 2019 to being a Co-DC at Alabama in 2024 (assuming DeBoer takes all his staff...coordinators usually follow). Coaches can rise fast!

I don't think UW looks at Vigen, but it's moves like this that open doors elsewhere that make our coaching stability not as stable.

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

Bit of a BS take since Alabama, UW and others werent open when he took the Nevada jump. Maybe he tooka flier in Nevada but maybe he felt options were limited and didnt have any inkling as to what was coming.

He couldn’t get the Boise job, why would we think higher level schools would want him?

Boise may have already had Danielson in mind when they let Avalos go. Pretty easy jump with an internal candidate. You're speculating on all of it with no actual knowledge of the inner workings.

I don’t need to know the inner workings to know Jeff Choate would not be a candidate for the UDub job had he not accepted the Nevada job. Huskies fans are hoping (for reasons I don’t understand) old man Pete Carroll, who will be 73 next season, will come save them and if not, younger coaches with P5 success at average programs like Leipold or Kleinman.

[onceacat]

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Why would Klieman even think of leaving KSU for Washington? Who in their right mind would go to Seattle just as they move into the Big 10? Left coast arrogance at it's finest.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/footba ... nevada-gig

When was the last time that K State played for a national title?

Who would think of leaving their current job for an open spot at the national championship runner up? 95% of football coaches at any level, any program.

[luckyirishguy25]

I wonder if Choate would’ve had a chance at UW if he hadn’t gone to Reno? He coached there before MSU.

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Why would Klieman even think of leaving KSU for Washington? Who in their right mind would go to Seattle just as they move into the Big 10? Left coast arrogance at it's finest.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/footba ... nevada-gig

Right, who would want to double their salary?

[Cat Grad]

Coaches who can get the UW job aren’t settling for Nevada.

DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Why would Klieman even think of leaving KSU for Washington? Who in their right mind would go to Seattle just as they move into the Big 10? Left coast arrogance at it's finest.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/footba ... nevada-gig

Right, who would want to double their salary?

Probably a well grounded mid-western football coach who just signed a 44 million dollar contract that pays an average of 5.5 million per year. If Washington is so darn attractive, why the hell can't they keep coaches there? Contrary to popular belief on this site, many people prefer the Midwest and the south to dripping, drizzly overcast gloomy weather where many brag their "lawn" is nothing but mold.

Christ, it costs more to park a vehicle and go to a Seahawks or Mariner game for a family of four in Seattle than even Denver, and many of their new residents complain about the cost of living. Did you completely forget about the Athletic Director who came to Bozeangeles from Salt Lake and left when he discovered what the cost of living is around MSU?

But, I also felt Sprinkle would stay at MSU.

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DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Why would Klieman even think of leaving KSU for Washington? Who in their right mind would go to Seattle just as they move into the Big 10? Left coast arrogance at it's finest.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/footba ... nevada-gig

Right, who would want to double their salary?

Probably a well grounded mid-western football coach who just signed a 44 million dollar contract that pays an average of 5.5 million per year. If Washington is so darn attractive, why the hell can't they keep coaches there? Contrary to popular belief on this site, many people prefer the Midwest and the south to dripping, drizzly overcast gloomy weather where many brag their "lawn" is nothing but mold.

Christ, it costs more to park a vehicle and go to a Seahawks or Mariner game for a family of four in Seattle than even Denver, and many of their new residents complain about the cost of living. Did you completely forget about the Athletic Director who came to Bozeangeles from Salt Lake and left when he discovered what the cost of living is around MSU?

But, I also felt Sprinkle would stay at MSU.

The cost of housing around the U is more expensive than the cost of housing around MSU. Have you ever even looked at real estate in the Avenues in SLC?

Look, you hate Seattle & love the Midwest & the South. To each his own. But UW is a Top 10 coaching gig.

UW couldn't keep coaches that were terrible (remember how the Huskies lost to UM a couple years back) now the UW coach is going to 'Bama and Alabama probably didnt even interview another candidate.

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DeBoer literally was at Fresno State two years ago.

And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Why would Klieman even think of leaving KSU for Washington? Who in their right mind would go to Seattle just as they move into the Big 10? Left coast arrogance at it's finest.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/footba ... nevada-gig

Right, who would want to double their salary?

Probably a well grounded mid-western football coach who just signed a 44 million dollar contract that pays an average of 5.5 million per year. If Washington is so darn attractive, why the hell can't they keep coaches there? Contrary to popular belief on this site, many people prefer the Midwest and the south to dripping, drizzly overcast gloomy weather where many brag their "lawn" is nothing but mold.

Christ, it costs more to park a vehicle and go to a Seahawks or Mariner game for a family of four in Seattle than even Denver, and many of their new residents complain about the cost of living. Did you completely forget about the Athletic Director who came to Bozeangeles from Salt Lake and left when he discovered what the cost of living is around MSU?

But, I also felt Sprinkle would stay at MSU.

You hate Seattle, cool stay away. You and Chris Kleinman are buds, and you know exactly what he's thinking, cool. Good thing he doesn't want to make 10 million at UW cause you're right, at that salary he'd be living in his car.

Your last paragraph... ****** dude, gets some meds.

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And DeBoer wasn’t getting the Alabama job two years ago.

I’m not saying Choate couldn’t succeed at Washington, I’m simply saying if people (as in AD’s) thought he was good enough for Washington, he wouldn’t have settled for Nevada.

I have a hard time imagining that Choate had any insight into 1) Nick Sabin retiring and 2) Alabama hiring DeBoer from one of Choate old teams less than 48 hours later.

Remember, Choate took the Nevada job over a month ago (I think before either Texas or Washington were announced for the playoffs...or at least right at the same time).

No way DeBoer gets the job without the playoff win over Texas.

Jeff Choate jumps at new promotions, he not patiently waiting for the ideal situation to present itself.

I am quite aware that Choate didn’t know the job would be available. That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

The fact remains that Choate hasn’t done enough to be qualified for the Washington job. You’re acting like the Nevada job is keeping him from UW. If they wanted him, they could easily pay his buyout. Nevada is a middling MWC job. If he succeeds at Nevada, he can get better jobs, but the fact that the best job he could get was Nevada, is pretty well proof of how he’s viewed as a head coach candidate at this time.

How do we know it was best he could get.

I mean, logical conclusion? Nevada isn’t exactly a great job, it’s not a sleeping giant. I think he just really wants to be a HC and that was the best option he had.

Best option he had BECAUSE he'd already stayed at Texas for 3 years. Lack of patience. Not a lack of a better opportunity. He's not getting the job at Washington...but he could get the job at K-State if Klienman goes to Washington, just as an example.

Why would Klieman even think of leaving KSU for Washington? Who in their right mind would go to Seattle just as they move into the Big 10? Left coast arrogance at it's finest.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/footba ... nevada-gig

Right, who would want to double their salary?

Probably a well grounded mid-western football coach who just signed a 44 million dollar contract that pays an average of 5.5 million per year. If Washington is so darn attractive, why the hell can't they keep coaches there? Contrary to popular belief on this site, many people prefer the Midwest and the south to dripping, drizzly overcast gloomy weather where many brag their "lawn" is nothing but mold.

Christ, it costs more to park a vehicle and go to a Seahawks or Mariner game for a family of four in Seattle than even Denver, and many of their new residents complain about the cost of living. Did you completely forget about the Athletic Director who came to Bozeangeles from Salt Lake and left when he discovered what the cost of living is around MSU?

But, I also felt Sprinkle would stay at MSU.

The cost of housing around the U is more expensive than the cost of housing around MSU. Have you ever even looked at real estate in the Avenues in SLC?

Look, you hate Seattle & love the Midwest & the South. To each his own. But UW is a Top 10 coaching gig.

UW couldn't keep coaches that were terrible (remember how the Huskies lost to UM a couple years back) now the UW coach is going to 'Bama and Alabama probably didnt even interview another candidate.

Hate is a very strong word. Now, do I wish that big quake would hit and Vancouver, Washington, Oregon, and beautiful Cali would sink into the Pacific? Yep. Just love driving through Portland and all their art only rivaled by Seattle's.

Another poster said the new Washington coach will get 10 million. Hell, DeBoer isn't going to get that from Alabama.

These arguments in a small college site are exactly the mindset that brought about the collapse of the pac. Nobody enjoys that egotistical arrogance thrown in their face. Perhaps you've not experienced all the sheep jokes from the residents of those three states when the local yokels find out you're from Montana? Or are you a transplant...

*Edit Was going to simply leave top 10 alone. Come on man, you've been in Sanfranzoola too much! Just the fumes in the air in that sh*thole will distort your senses. Maybe top twenty year after year.

*Another edit Upon further review, I'd like to discuss (but won't as you remind me of that wonderful grizinwashington individual from the slums of everett) that with the addition of Oklahoma and Tex ass, there's 14 SEC teams better than Washington. I feel there are 12 programs in the Big10 than Washington and about nine in the ACC better than Washington. I stand corrected. Not even top thirty.

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Sorry man, but Vanderbilt is not a better coaching spot than UW. The new UW coach is going to be one of the best compensated coaches in the country & has a team returning from the national championship game.

This is not a bad coaching situation. Its a MASSIVE step up for 95% of coaches in the country.

You are letting your personal political pathologies interfere with common sense. Thats common among people with your ideology, but its still a bad idea.

[Cat Grad]

Well, here's to the pac...

There just may have been more than a few folks than me who felt it was not worth watching that conference? How'd the runner-up two years ago do this year?

And you have not read what I said. With the addition of Tex ass and Oklahoma...there are 14 better positions in just the SEC.

Now, Nashville or Seattle? Who is biased?

Anyway, Coach Walker will do well with his new assignment. Seems Lake a great young man