Griz bank

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:37 pm

More GRIZ envy.

Post by **kmax** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:05 pm

Billings_Griz wrote:More GRIZ envy.

If you want to think that whatever, go back and look at my last post. I agree that the Griz can demand more and like I said more power to them. I'm sorry I just don't believe that being a perennial power makes the Griz any more of a draw at Big 10 Iowa than any other upper half I-AA team. Think about it, we as MSU and UM fans bitch constantly and hate having to watch when our teams bring in DII teams, even when they are "good" DII teams. The same thing happens for I-A teams bringing in I-AA teams. The vast majority of Iowa fans don't know about Montana's "greatness" and could care less, they just think it sucks that their team is playing down. So then my question remains, why, as Iowa, spend twice the amount of money to bring in Montana. So far about the only reason that has made any sense is info's thought of it being a matter of circumstance.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:12 pm

kmax wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:More GRIZ envy.
If you want to think that whatever, go back and look at my last post. I agree that the Griz can demand more and like I said more power to them. I'm sorry I just don't believe that being a perennial power makes the Griz any more of a draw at Big 10 Iowa than any other upper half I-AA team. Think about it, we as MSU and UM fans bitch constantly and hate having to watch when our teams bring in DII teams, even when they are "good" DII teams. The same thing happens for I-A teams bringing in I-AA teams. The vast majority of Iowa fans don't know about Montana's "greatness" and could care less, they just think it sucks that their team is playing down. So then my question remains, why, as Iowa, spend twice the amount of money to bring in Montana. So far about the only reason that has made any sense is info's thought of it being a matter of circumstance.

I think Billings Griz was joking.

But either way, you said what I was trying to say.....only you said it much better than I did.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:17 pm

Griz Dude wrote:Very naive on the part of the Cat fans who think that being equal on the field determines marketing power. There have been years when Boise State was superior on the field than USC (like immediately before Pete Carroll yook over as coach). But, do you think for a minute that Iowa would guarantee as much money to get Boise State to come to Iowa City as it would USC, no matter what their record? It's all about tradition, marketing power, and putting bottoms in the seats.

No way MSU has the draw and marketing power that UM does. Three trips to the IAA championship game in the past 10 years does that for ya. Figure it out.

This is a typical Griz fan mindset----hello, there aren't very many people outside of Montana that didn't come from Montana that give a flying ^#%@ about either the Cats or the Griz. Yes, the Griz have done some amazing things over the past 10 years, no doubt--but in the big school areas, people care about the big schools. Check the TV viewings for the 1-AA championship game vs. any one of probably 10 to 15 different bowl games. As far as marketing power---that extends from Wibaux to Darby.

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:43 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:
kmax wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:More GRIZ envy.
If you want to think that whatever, go back and look at my last post. I agree that the Griz can demand more and like I said more power to them. I'm sorry I just don't believe that being a perennial power makes the Griz any more of a draw at Big 10 Iowa than any other upper half I-AA team. Think about it, we as MSU and UM fans bitch constantly and hate having to watch when our teams bring in DII teams, even when they are "good" DII teams. The same thing happens for I-A teams bringing in I-AA teams. The vast majority of Iowa fans don't know about Montana's "greatness" and could care less, they just think it sucks that their team is playing down. So then my question remains, why, as Iowa, spend twice the amount of money to bring in Montana. So far about the only reason that has made any sense is info's thought of it being a matter of circumstance.
I think Billings Griz was joking.

But either way, you said what I was trying to say.....only you said it much better than I did.

Thanks HC95. Yes I was joking. I'll

next time.

KMAX, agree w/ you, somewhat. Why would IA bring in a 1-AA school and pay them $600,000? I have not freakin' idea.

But, we (Cats and Griz) bring in D2 schools the same reason the Oregons, Iowa's, OK St, and Colorado's bring in us...TO GET AN EASY WIN.

Almost back-fired on Ok State last year.

Going back to the topic, $600,000. I have no idea. I hope we come out of there w/ no serious injuries.

Cause The Good Lord know's we can use the dough.

Post by **kmax** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:01 pm

Billings_Griz wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:
kmax wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:More GRIZ envy.
If you want to think that whatever, go back and look at my last post. I agree that the Griz can demand more and like I said more power to them. I'm sorry I just don't believe that being a perennial power makes the Griz any more of a draw at Big 10 Iowa than any other upper half I-AA team. Think about it, we as MSU and UM fans bitch constantly and hate having to watch when our teams bring in DII teams, even when they are "good" DII teams. The same thing happens for I-A teams bringing in I-AA teams. The vast majority of Iowa fans don't know about Montana's "greatness" and could care less, they just think it sucks that their team is playing down. So then my question remains, why, as Iowa, spend twice the amount of money to bring in Montana. So far about the only reason that has made any sense is info's thought of it being a matter of circumstance.
I think Billings Griz was joking.

But either way, you said what I was trying to say.....only you said it much better than I did.
Thanks HC95. Yes I was joking. I'll next time.

KMAX, agree w/ you, somewhat. Why would IA bring in a 1-AA school and pay them $600,000? I have not freakin' idea.

But, we (Cats and Griz) bring in D2 schools the same reason the Oregons, Iowa's, OK St, and Colorado's bring in us...TO GET AN EASY WIN.

Almost back-fired on Ok State last year.

Going back to the topic, $600,000. I have no idea. I hope we come out of there w/ no serious injuries. Cause The Good Lord know's we can use the dough.

Okay, sorry I misunderstood. The bolded part of your statement above perfectly makes my point. Why pay so much to bring a good team for an easy win when you could pay way less to an average team for an easy win.

Glad we agree there.

With ya on the coming out without any injuries, I hope that as well for MSU against CU.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:32 pm

Most Iowa fans probably think the Griz are DII, yet the game will be a sellout since Iowa looks to be a contender in the Big X and it is their home opener. I'm sure that they'd have a packed house REGARDLESS of who their opponent is.

I seriously doubt that more than 10% of the people in Kinnick Stadium on Sept. 2 will have any clue that the Griz are one of the top programs in IAA or have ever seen them play a game.

That being said, I too am scratching my head at the pricetag for this game. IMO, they could have gotten any # of other top IAA teams or lower-profile DI teams for far less money and still sold out the game. I'd be real interested in hearing the Iowa AD's rationale for doling out this much $$$ for a "gimme" home game...

I guess in the Big Ten, maybe money isn't an issue?

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:52 pm

My guess is that they probably read these message boards, have figured out what a great bunch of people our fans are, and they just really, really want to meet us in person. Thus, the $$$.

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:09 pm

No doubt that Iowa could have gotten other schools less expensively. My guess would be that they wanted to open with an easy opponent, and there were few of those that had that date available. I would argue, however, that Montana will travel to that game much, much better than even most DI-A schools. Trust me, ADs talk, and Iowa's AD heard about how many Griz fans traveled to Eugene. Still, I'm sure it boils down to the fact that UM was available that day, and $600k is what they can command.

Griz Dude · Post by **Griz Dude** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:31 pm

Don't misconstrue my post. Iowa would fill the stadium if they play Ft. Lewis State. That is not the issue. The fact is, Iowa has aspirations of playing in a BCS game postseason. They can win big against one of the premier IAA teams in the nation, for $600,000, or, they can win big against a nobody IAA team for $250,000, and get much less respect come BCS time

To a well-endowed school like Iowa (much like myself

), 600 grand is not a big deal. I still believe that Iowa would rather play an elite IAA team, for more money, than a second tier IAA team. The BCS committee knows the difference between UM and MSU, even though the average-Joe fan doesn't.

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:30 pm

Griz Dude wrote:Don't misconstrue my post. Iowa would fill the stadium if they play Ft. Lewis State. That is not the issue. The fact is, Iowa has aspirations of playing in a BCS game postseason. They can win big against one of the premier IAA teams in the nation, for $600,000, or, they can win big against a nobody IAA team for $250,000, and get much less respect come BCS time

To a well-endowed school like Iowa (much like myself ), 600 grand is not a big deal. I still believe that Iowa would rather play an elite IAA team, for more money, than a second tier IAA team. The BCS committee knows the difference between UM and MSU, even though the average-Joe fan doesn't.

When you say difference you mean 16-6 right?

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:36 pm

MM7CAT wrote:
Griz Dude wrote:Don't misconstrue my post. Iowa would fill the stadium if they play Ft. Lewis State. That is not the issue. The fact is, Iowa has aspirations of playing in a BCS game postseason. They can win big against one of the premier IAA teams in the nation, for $600,000, or, they can win big against a nobody IAA team for $250,000, and get much less respect come BCS time

To a well-endowed school like Iowa (much like myself ), 600 grand is not a big deal. I still believe that Iowa would rather play an elite IAA team, for more money, than a second tier IAA team. The BCS committee knows the difference between UM and MSU, even though the average-Joe fan doesn't.

When you say difference you mean 16-6 right?

Touche MF!

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:17 am

MM7CAT wrote:
Griz Dude wrote:Don't misconstrue my post. Iowa would fill the stadium if they play Ft. Lewis State. That is not the issue. The fact is, Iowa has aspirations of playing in a BCS game postseason. They can win big against one of the premier IAA teams in the nation, for $600,000, or, they can win big against a nobody IAA team for $250,000, and get much less respect come BCS time

To a well-endowed school like Iowa (much like myself ), 600 grand is not a big deal. I still believe that Iowa would rather play an elite IAA team, for more money, than a second tier IAA team. The BCS committee knows the difference between UM and MSU, even though the average-Joe fan doesn't.

When you say difference you mean 16-6 right?

Enjoy it while you can.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:38 am

Griz Dude wrote:Don't misconstrue my post. Iowa would fill the stadium if they play Ft. Lewis State. That is not the issue. The fact is, Iowa has aspirations of playing in a BCS game postseason. They can win big against one of the premier IAA teams in the nation, for $600,000, or, they can win big against a nobody IAA team for $250,000, and get much less respect come BCS time

To a well-endowed school like Iowa (much like myself ), 600 grand is not a big deal. I still believe that Iowa would rather play an elite IAA team, for more money, than a second tier IAA team. The BCS committee knows the difference between UM and MSU, even though the average-Joe fan doesn't.

Actually I really doubt it makes a difference to the BCS Committee who the I-AA team was. All you ever hear is that they played down 1 game---they rarely talk about who they played. Besides, if that was the case why didn't Oregon get a BCS Bowl game last year? I mean, they did play the almighty Griz and all.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:11 pm

Wow, 16-6 is a big difference in endowment.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:54 pm

Yeah, I bet the BCS does know the difference between Michigan and Michigan State. Probably would be interested in how Iowa wouild do against them as well

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:09 pm

Griz Dude wrote:The BCS committee knows the difference between UM and MSU, even though the average-Joe fan doesn't.

University of Montana = Northern Montana College in the eyes of the BCS committee. You don't get credit for anything you do at the BCS level against a lower division school.

Griz Dude · Post by **Griz Dude** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:17 pm

Looks like I touched a nerve with my truthful and revealiong post, much like I knew I would. I understand how toughit is to deal with the fact that the Griz have played in four of the past 10 MC games, while the other school from Montana can not get past the first round.

Yes, BCS voters know the difference between the two schools. However, if you believe otherwise, to console yourselves, go for it.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:20 pm

Several have already commented yet I still feel compelled...

There is NO WAY the BCS committee will give Iowa a SHRED of difference when it comes time for bowl considerations (assuming the Hawkeyes finish that high by the end of the season) whether they beat the Griz, the Cats, or any other IAA school OF ANY CALIBER. Even if the Griz keep it within 4 TD's and some "lesser" IAA team might lose by 5 or even more, the bowl committee will view it the same: a sure win in a gimme game against a "lower-tier" opponent. As has already been stated, the BCS folks don't know the difference between Montana, Montana State, Montana Tech, or Mount Union when it comes to IA teams "playing down"; as long as the IA team makes it a bloodbath, the BCS committee will give them the same credit for the win, regardless of the opponent (and in this case, Iowa or any other team with BCS aspirations will get VERY LITTLE credit for a win against a IAA school).

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:41 pm

Griz Dude wrote:Looks like I touched a nerve with my truthful and revealiong post, much like I knew I would. I understand how toughit is to deal with the fact that the Griz have played in four of the past 10 MC games, while the other school from Montana can not get past the first round.

Yes, BCS voters know the difference between the two schools. However, if you believe otherwise, to console yourselves, go for it.

I think we just have a stronger dose of reality mixed in with our daily meds than you do.

Do you think the I-AA selection committee would give special consideration to a school that played a "good" NAIA school as opposed to a mediocre NAIA school? Of course not ... it's "just an NAIA school," no matter how you look at it.

You apparently haven't completely grasped where I-AA schools are in the pecking order of college football, but the sad reality of it is, we (collectively ... this isn't a Cat/Griz thing) are seen as "just a I-AA" school in their eyes.

Sure, when the smack talk gets desperate, somebody will throw out a "We beat a better NAIA or D-II school than you did!" But the oft-spoken reality is, that's a silly argument ... as is your current argument.