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by Joe Bobcat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:32 am
BleedingBLue wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:43 pm
I really dislike this tool of coach/person.
"You look at Senior Night (against Eastern Washington), that was a little bit different with them because we were up so much and there just happened to be plays. It was Senior Night, trying to get him involved on some things that were wide open."
That's why they were trying to get him involved? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Even if he didn't want to talk about gameplans and his lack of playing time, come up with something better. Dude is absolutely clueless.
Yeah those statements of his make no sense at all. ?Because we were up so much and there just happened to be plays? The score was 0-0 when Chambers ran 68 yds for a TD. Then it was only 7-0 when Chambers threw a 15 yd pass to Clevan T. for a TD. In the second quarter Chambers ran 2 yds for a TD and then completed a pass to McCulloch for a 51 yd TD, ok now there was a big lead 28-0. You didn't put Chambers in because we were up so much but rather, we were up so much because you put Chambers in.
Using your own words Mr. Housewrite your interview was "just out of sync, out of whack".
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by Bocephus » Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:02 am
Vigen has to be cringing.
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by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:09 am
kaner77 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:22 am
the problem with this coaching staff they make changes to late after the game is over. I don't know maybe make the change during the game
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by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
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by technoCat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
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by BgCATfan » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:10 am
TH: It’s a lot of stuff. He's a young kid, and everybody makes mistakes at quarterback. That's not just it. It's probably the rhythm of the game, it's practicing during the week, it's executing during the week and on game day. You look at Senior Night (against Eastern Washington), that was a little bit different with them because we were up so much and there just happened to be plays. It was Senior Night, trying to get him involved on some things that were wide open.
Is Housewright saying the only real reason Shawn playerd against EWU was because it was senior night?
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by CelticCat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:36 am
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
That's a good point. To me none of this is a knock on Tommy, which is why I've stated I'd like to see like a 60/40 Tommy to Sean split. I believe in Tommy but I also believe Chambers is one of the most dangerous weapons in the FCS period so when we lose a game where a guy I think is the most dangerous player in the FCS gets to touch than the ball less than 10% of the time the offense has the ball, well it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
One common denominator for the offense in the worst two losses - Idaho, and UM - is that we used Chambers less than at any other point during the season. I don't blame Tommy for those losses but it's easy to sit here and feel like we didn't put our best players on the field.
Can anyone really say that we are using our playmakers to the best of their abilities? I think that is the #1 reason for the Griz turnaround, they figured out how to get their best players the ball and built an offense around that after being unable to do so for the first 4 games.
Maybe we just have too much talent and there isn't enough snaps for everyone but man it sure feels like we should be using Tommy, Chambers, and Davis for a vast majority of the plays.
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by technoCat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:45 am
CelticCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:36 am
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
That's a good point. To me none of this is a knock on Tommy, which is why I've stated I'd like to see like a 60/40 Tommy to Sean split. I believe in Tommy but I also believe Chambers is one of the most dangerous weapons in the FCS period so when we lose a game where a guy I think is the most dangerous player in the FCS gets to touch than the ball less than 10% of the time the offense has the ball, well it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
One common denominator for the offense in the worst two losses - Idaho, and UM - is that we used Chambers less than at any other point during the season. I don't blame Tommy for those losses but it's easy to sit here and feel like we didn't put our best players on the field.
Can anyone really say that we are using our playmakers to the best of their abilities? I think that is the #1 reason for the Griz turnaround, they figured out how to get their best players the ball and built an offense around that after being unable to do so for the first 4 games.
Maybe we just have too much talent and there isn't enough snaps for everyone but man it sure feels like we should be using Tommy, Chambers, and Davis for a vast majority of the plays.
I totally agree. That's on House to figure out how to keep our offense in rhythm and that includes finding a way to get Sean in the game. I'm even willing to have the discussion he should get more snaps. My problem stems from people taking shots at Tommy and belittling what he's done for this program because he's a Montana kid. Especially since their main argument often is Sean "just looks more like a qb".
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by TheJoeGoldstone » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:12 am
I 100% agree with using our 3-headed monster of Tommy, Chambers, & Davis in the backfield or one of the QBs in the slot and then RTDB. Once the run is going well, then short passes to the tight end/bubble screens happen before any fade pass is thrown. In case Housewright doesn't know it, McCutcheon is no longer playing. No cute plays period. I've been a proponent of this since day one in putting your best players ON the field, not the sidelines. For those who worry about an injury taking place, that is football, especially during the playoffs.
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by CelticCat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:28 am
The fades have not been working either, but we continue to try them. They are pretty good throws most of the time from Tommy but our guys aren't very open and they can't make contested catches. I'd like to see a lot less of those called too.
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by BelligerentBobcat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:44 am
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:45 am
CelticCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:36 am
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
That's a good point. To me none of this is a knock on Tommy, which is why I've stated I'd like to see like a 60/40 Tommy to Sean split. I believe in Tommy but I also believe Chambers is one of the most dangerous weapons in the FCS period so when we lose a game where a guy I think is the most dangerous player in the FCS gets to touch than the ball less than 10% of the time the offense has the ball, well it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
One common denominator for the offense in the worst two losses - Idaho, and UM - is that we used Chambers less than at any other point during the season. I don't blame Tommy for those losses but it's easy to sit here and feel like we didn't put our best players on the field.
Can anyone really say that we are using our playmakers to the best of their abilities? I think that is the #1 reason for the Griz turnaround, they figured out how to get their best players the ball and built an offense around that after being unable to do so for the first 4 games.
Maybe we just have too much talent and there isn't enough snaps for everyone but man it sure feels like we should be using Tommy, Chambers, and Davis for a vast majority of the plays.
I totally agree. That's on House to figure out how to keep our offense in rhythm and that includes finding a way to get Sean in the game. I'm even willing to have the discussion he should get more snaps. My problem stems from people taking shots at Tommy and belittling what he's done for this program because he's a Montana kid. Especially since their main argument often is Sean "just looks more like a qb".
Tommy’s a great kid and a good QB. A significant part of what makes him a great player is his athleticism and ability to run. He’s not doing that like he used to. Whether that’s a coaching decision or his decision, idk, but he hasn’t been as effective this year as last year. I don’t think he’s starting because he’s from Montana, he’s starting because he’s the smartest QB on the roster, and generally isn’t turnover prone. A coach like Vigen that values ball control is going to play that. Chambers, to my uneducated eye, is a better fit for the players on the team offensively. He can still run the ball, but generally isn’t a great scrambler. He’s killer on play action, which this offense NEEDS to be great. He can play under the center and from shotgun. However, he makes absolutely dumb decisions more frequently than Tommy. He’s much more risk/reward as a player. Sometimes that’s going to work really well, sometimes it isn’t. It’s a tough coaching decision to make, and there’s a locker room dynamic they have to take into consideration as well. This isn’t Madden where you change starters and positions and it just works. Real people and real feelings.
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by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
Did you watch Tommy throw the ball last game? He was well below average and he is an average true QB on his best day. Great kid, great role model, great athlete but very average QB.
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by technoCat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:05 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
Did you watch Tommy throw the ball last game? He was well below average and he is an average true QB on his best day. Great kid, great role model, great athlete but very average QB.
Yes I saw him last game. I've also seen him the other 20 odd games he's played. He can make pretty much any throw. I know he'd also have much better numbers if his receivers made all the catches they should. Nobody ever answered my question about whether receivers were getting open in the last game and what kind of route concepts were being run on those "bad" plays. Guess it easier to just call someone an average qb than dig into that stuff.
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by TomCat88 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:12 pm
Both players have probably been at their best when they’ve had the team to themselves. Mellott in the 2021 playoffs, last year vs Weber. Chambers vs UCD and ISU in 2022 and vs Weber PSU and Poly this year and also most of second half vs SDSU this year. Mellott hasn’t had that opportunity this year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mellott runs it 30+ times ala SDSU in 2021 or vs Weber 2022 game 1
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by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:30 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:05 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
Did you watch Tommy throw the ball last game? He was well below average and he is an average true QB on his best day. Great kid, great role model, great athlete but very average QB.
Yes I saw him last game. I've also seen him the other 20 odd games he's played. He can make pretty much any throw. I know he'd also have much better numbers if his receivers made all the catches they should. Nobody ever answered my question about whether receivers were getting open in the last game and what kind of route concepts were being run on those "bad" plays. Guess it easier to just call someone an average qb than dig into that stuff.
I stopped reading after you said Tommy can make all the throws. Sorry Man, but Montana Kid can’t make all the throws, not even close. Have a good day!
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by catatac » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:00 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:30 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:05 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
Did you watch Tommy throw the ball last game? He was well below average and he is an average true QB on his best day. Great kid, great role model, great athlete but very average QB.
Yes I saw him last game. I've also seen him the other 20 odd games he's played. He can make pretty much any throw. I know he'd also have much better numbers if his receivers made all the catches they should. Nobody ever answered my question about whether receivers were getting open in the last game and what kind of route concepts were being run on those "bad" plays. Guess it easier to just call someone an average qb than dig into that stuff.
I stopped reading after you said Tommy can make all the throws. Sorry Man, but Montana Kid can’t make all the throws, not even close. Have a good day!
He may not be able to make ALL the throws (Chambers can throw a longer ball) but he certainly can make almost all the throws required. I've re watched every game (Except the last one) multiple times this year and Tommy has thrown a ton of really good passes. Plus, often times people forget that there is WAY more to being an elite QB than throwing and running the ball. Tommy is obviously better than Sean at the most critical aspects of being a QB, which is why he gets more snaps.
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by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:38 pm
catatac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:00 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:30 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:05 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
Did you watch Tommy throw the ball last game? He was well below average and he is an average true QB on his best day. Great kid, great role model, great athlete but very average QB.
Yes I saw him last game. I've also seen him the other 20 odd games he's played. He can make pretty much any throw. I know he'd also have much better numbers if his receivers made all the catches they should. Nobody ever answered my question about whether receivers were getting open in the last game and what kind of route concepts were being run on those "bad" plays. Guess it easier to just call someone an average qb than dig into that stuff.
I stopped reading after you said Tommy can make all the throws. Sorry Man, but Montana Kid can’t make all the throws, not even close. Have a good day!
He may not be able to make ALL the throws (Chambers can throw a longer ball) but he certainly can make almost all the throws required. I've re watched every game (Except the last one) multiple times this year and Tommy has thrown a ton of really good passes. Plus, often times people forget that there is WAY more to being an elite QB than throwing and running the ball. Tommy is obviously better than Sean at the most critical aspects of being a QB, which is why he gets more snaps.
You went from All The Throws to Almost all the throws REQUIRED. Hate to burst your bubble but there are JV QB’s at power house HS’s that can make all the throws required by this offense (Fade, more fades, more fades and occasional slant/comeback)…
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by catatac » Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:53 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:38 pm
catatac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 5:00 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:30 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:05 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:57 pm
technoCat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:06 am
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Why is everyone so insistent on giving Tommy literally 0 credit for what he's done on the field and in practice to earn his job. At the same time seemingly forgetting why Sean lost his job at Wyoming and transferred in the first place?
Sean is an electric player and a consumate teammate but putting him in full time isn't suddenly going to make our offense perfect. If he's the starter going forward so be it and I'll cheer him on but it's incredibly disingenuous to continue to parrot that Tommy is only playing or that people only like him because he's from Montana.
Did you watch Tommy throw the ball last game? He was well below average and he is an average true QB on his best day. Great kid, great role model, great athlete but very average QB.
Yes I saw him last game. I've also seen him the other 20 odd games he's played. He can make pretty much any throw. I know he'd also have much better numbers if his receivers made all the catches they should. Nobody ever answered my question about whether receivers were getting open in the last game and what kind of route concepts were being run on those "bad" plays. Guess it easier to just call someone an average qb than dig into that stuff.
I stopped reading after you said Tommy can make all the throws. Sorry Man, but Montana Kid can’t make all the throws, not even close. Have a good day!
He may not be able to make ALL the throws (Chambers can throw a longer ball) but he certainly can make almost all the throws required. I've re watched every game (Except the last one) multiple times this year and Tommy has thrown a ton of really good passes. Plus, often times people forget that there is WAY more to being an elite QB than throwing and running the ball. Tommy is obviously better than Sean at the most critical aspects of being a QB, which is why he gets more snaps.
You went from All The Throws to Almost all the throws REQUIRED. Hate to burst your bubble but there are JV QB’s at power house HS’s that can make all the throws required by this offense (Fade, more fades, more fades and occasional slant/comeback)…
If I was a computer whiz, I'd throw together a quick collage of al Tommy's completions this year, and many other of his beautiful passes that SHOULD have been caught so you and everyone else you see them front and center and quickly remember how many of them there were. He hasn't been perfect, but he did some great things in the passing game this year, and there is more to come. Just watch. P.S. I think Sean throws a great ball too.
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by tetoncat » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:48 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Ok, Dad. Your either a disgruntled parent or a player who shouldn't be posting. While I agree Chambers should be involved more, it is hard to argue that Mellott has not performed.
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by ThoughtUKnew14 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:53 pm
tetoncat wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:48 pm
ThoughtUKnew14 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 6:14 am
John K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:47 pm
Against EWU, Chambers had 190 total yards and accounted for 5 TD, while taking only 9 snaps. How can you not have a player with that kind of production and efficiency on the field more than he was against UM? He won two BSC POTW awards, despite his limited playing time this season. I've always thought the offense just seems to look smoother and seems more dynamic when he's on the field.
He’s not the Montana Golden Boy and that matters w/ boosters and the local community. Vigen & the University understands the importance of keeping those that feed them happy. It’s a sad reality but next year will be more of the same….then I’m looking forward to a reset at the QB position.
Ok, Dad. Your either a disgruntled parent or a player who shouldn't be posting. While I agree Chambers should be involved more, it is hard to argue that Mellott has not performed.
Hahaha! Thats a new one….I simply don’t think Tommy is anything then a very average QB at best. I’m sorry that offends the great people of Montana. But to assume I’m a Dad or Player is ludacris, thats in itself shows how homer this fan base can be over Tommy.