Wash State's Dire Predicament

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Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:50 pm

"After Saturday’s Apple Cup against Washington, the Washington State Cougars face an uncertain future—and a wave of transfers—in the wake of the Pac-12’s collapse.

Beginning the first week of December, football players can enter their names into the NCAA transfer portal, and a mass exodus from the Palouse is likely to begin as top athletes eye less uncertain futures and richer endorsement deals available on other campuses.

Talent drain could crater the football team’s potential, kicking off a dangerous downward spiral for the athletic department’s chief revenue-producing program. The consensus is that the Cougars will be fighting for survival with one hand tied behind their back—a fate that WSU is still hoping to stave off.

Beginning in July 2024, when the Pac-12’s current television deal expires, their so-called “Conference of Champions” will be whittled down to two. NCAA bylaws grant them a two-year grace period during which they must add at least six members to go on existing as a conference.

Washington State already faces different financial realities than most of its competitors. According to financial reports from the 2022 fiscal year, the university brought in $85 million in operating revenue and spent $83.7 million on operating expenses. In-state rival Washington had $145 million in operating revenue and spent $149.5 million during that span.

About 28% of Washington State’s revenue in the last fiscal year came from the Pac-12’s media rights distribution. At the moment, that’s going to zero, as the Cougars don’t have a new television deal in place. Meanwhile, the Huskies’ current media rights distribution of $28 million is set to start at approximately $30 million in the Big Ten and increase annually—still a fraction of what that league’s existing members stand to make.

Washington State, currently 5-6 and fighting for bowl game eligibility, is staring over a financial cliff and is currently engaged in a legal fight, along with Oregon State, against the Pac-12’s outgoing members over who gets to control the league’s hundreds of millions of dollars worth of assets and liabilities.

Fans of both programs learned this week that the rivalry series will continue through at least 2028, as the schools reached an agreement to play at the Seattle Seahawks’ Lumen Field next September before returning to a home-and-home format in 2025."

https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/was ... os1&page=1.
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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:50 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:21 pm
Grizfan7 wrote:
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Part of my law practice was Intellectual Property. I know this area of the law. The whole article is copyrighted. Not every sentence separately. It's perfectly okay to quote articles, including Journal articles.

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Post by Bobcat4Ever » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:29 pm

So I can use my paid subscription to the The Athletic to copy large chunks of interesting articles to Bobcat Nation (with a citation and a link) so that anyone here may read them for free? I better get to work a-copying-and-a-pasting ‘cause they got lots of good stuff in there.



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by autocat » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm

A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm

autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:09 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:29 pm
So I can use my paid subscription to the The Athletic to copy large chunks of interesting articles to Bobcat Nation (with a citation and a link) so that anyone here may read them for free? I better get to work a-copying-and-a-pasting ‘cause they got lots of good stuff in there.
Probably, under limited circumstances under the Fair Use doctrine, although I don't know the answer for sure to your precise question. Only limited quotes. Not most or all of the article. The particular Journal article I quoted is available on the internet, by the way. I think I quoted 7 or 8 paragraphs of a 27 para article. The use for commentary and reporting information is okay.

"Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances."

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Generally, publications like being quoted, and also like the traffic that the link brings to the full article and website.

See that another thread here says "permission from Massey". I wonder how the poster got permission. Not saying anything he did was wrong or unual. This is what the Massey copyright notice says. See the last sentence. Note that the Massey thread doesn't violate anything in the first sentence.

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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by coloradocat » Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:55 pm

Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:29 pm
So I can use my paid subscription to the The Athletic to copy large chunks of interesting articles to Bobcat Nation (with a citation and a link) so that anyone here may read them for free? I better get to work a-copying-and-a-pasting ‘cause they got lots of good stuff in there.
Just leave out a sentence or two here and there and bold some of the ones you copy. That's what "lawyers" do.


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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Sun Nov 26, 2023 2:35 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:55 pm
Bobcat4Ever wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:29 pm
So I can use my paid subscription to the The Athletic to copy large chunks of interesting articles to Bobcat Nation (with a citation and a link) so that anyone here may read them for free? I better get to work a-copying-and-a-pasting ‘cause they got lots of good stuff in there.
Just leave out a sentence or two here and there and bold some of the ones you copy. That's what "lawyers" do.
Actually, it's the opposite. Use only a few sentence or paragraphs. And note the 3 bolded words/phrases below. "it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting". And don't have a commercial or money-making purpose.

And don't be afraid of your shadow.

This is what people do; not lawyers.



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Sun Nov 26, 2023 2:41 pm

"We've realized over the last couple of years that the portal will never be where we can build this program, because you need NIL money to get portal guys. Period. That's what we've found out in the last two years...Obviously, college football has changed drastically in the last five years in that realm."

It has been a tough time for Washington State to compete for transfer players, especially against Pac-12 programs such as USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington who all have far more NIL resources provided to them.

Dickert also stated, "The facts are Washington State is way behind — not even competitive in some aspects of the NIL."

https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image ... ortal-wad9

[WSU has recently started a small Cougar Collective. It looks like very small potatoes. I don't think it will help. My view is that NIL needs a bunch of significant and large donors to drive the boat.]



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by MTnative » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:27 pm

Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
So you defend hedge funds.

Even worse.



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:06 pm

MTnative wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:27 pm
Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
So you defend hedge funds.

Even worse.
Corporate lawyers don't "defend" hedge funds. Do you even know what a hedge fund is?



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Rich K » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:21 am

Grizfan7 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:06 pm
MTnative wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:27 pm
Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
So you defend hedge funds.

Even worse.
Corporate lawyers don't "defend" hedge funds. Do you even know what a hedge fund is?
It's a great place to launder money, and often its manipulations are complex and require a defense provided by a team of securities lawyers.
You have gone out of your way to provide ample proof that you would be good at that.


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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by D-Wreck » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:20 am

Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
Really? Then why did you say "I am a traveller and big sports fan, not a lawyer." in the thread to rename this forum?

You keep asking people to bring receipts on your b.s.



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by RickRund » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:46 am

D-Wreck wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:20 am
Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
Really? Then why did you say "I am a traveller and big sports fan, not a lawyer." in the thread to rename this forum?

You keep asking people to bring receipts on your b.s.
Yes, very confusing...


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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:37 am

D-Wreck wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:20 am
Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
Really? Then why did you say "I am a traveller and big sports fan, not a lawyer." in the thread to rename this forum?

You keep asking people to bring receipts on your b.s.
Because I was addressing 2 points in time. One was now; the other was earlier. I used to be a football player, but am not now. See how that works. Everything I have said in this forum is accurate. I can do BS too, but haven’t.



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by D-Wreck » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:06 pm

Grizfan7 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:37 am
D-Wreck wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:20 am
Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
Really? Then why did you say "I am a traveller and big sports fan, not a lawyer." in the thread to rename this forum?

You keep asking people to bring receipts on your b.s.
Because I was addressing 2 points in time. One was now; the other was earlier. I used to be a football player, but am not now. See how that works. Everything I have said in this forum is accurate. I can do BS too, but haven’t.
November 25th - I'm a lawyer at a top 100 firm.
November 28th - I'm not a lawyer.
November 29th - Both of the above statements are true.

Pretty quick professional turnaround there.



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Re: Wash State's Dire Predicament

Post by Grizfan7 » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:42 pm

D-Wreck wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:06 pm
Grizfan7 wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:37 am
D-Wreck wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:20 am
Grizfan7 wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:56 pm
autocat wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:33 pm
A ambulance chasing lawyer, I new it!
Corporate and securities lawyer. Top 100 firm.
Really? Then why did you say "I am a traveller and big sports fan, not a lawyer." in the thread to rename this forum?

You keep asking people to bring receipts on your b.s.
Because I was addressing 2 points in time. One was now; the other was earlier. I used to be a football player, but am not now. See how that works. Everything I have said in this forum is accurate. I can do BS too, but haven’t.
November 25th - I'm a lawyer at a top 100 firm.
November 28th - I'm not a lawyer.
November 29th - Both of the above statements are true.

Pretty quick professional turnaround there.
I didn’t say “I am” lawyer. I said what kind of lawyer I was. I also said: "Part of my law practice was Intellectual Property." Note the tense of the word "was". That refers to the past, not the current time. (It didn't say "is"). I don’t practice law and don’t have a practice. But I still know a good deal about what I did for 45 years.



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