Griz (and some Cat) Info

[tetoncat]

Just set him as FOE then you don't see his drivel and the rest of us don't have to scroll thru all the nonsense.

[TomCat88]

MSU run defense last 3 games: 2.5 ypc
UM: 3.5

UM pass defense efficiency last 3 games: 79.4
MSU: 153.0

[catgrad05]

MSU run defense last 3 games: 2.5 ypc
UM: 3.5

UM pass defense efficiency last 3 games: 79.4
MSU: 153.0

I always get confused on the efficiency stats. Is a higher number better?

[TomCat88]

MSU run defense last 3 games: 2.5 ypc
UM: 3.5

UM pass defense efficiency last 3 games: 79.4
MSU: 153.0

I always get confused on the efficiency stats. Is a higher number better?

It is for the offense. UM’s 79.4 is off the charts good for a defense.

[RickRund]

MSU run defense last 3 games: 2.5 ypc
UM: 3.5

UM pass defense efficiency last 3 games: 79.4
MSU: 153.0

I always get confused on the efficiency stats. Is a higher number better?

It is for the offense. UM’s 79.4 is off the charts good for a defense.

Not that their defense is not good because they are pretty decent, but can some of that be due to the opponents being down they started throwing up everything hoping it stuck? Not so maybe for Sac because for some reason they went away from Fulcher.

[TomCat88]

MSU run defense last 3 games: 2.5 ypc
UM: 3.5

UM pass defense efficiency last 3 games: 79.4
MSU: 153.0

I always get confused on the efficiency stats. Is a higher number better?

It is for the offense. UM’s 79.4 is off the charts good for a defense.

Not that their defense is not good because they are pretty decent, but can some of that be due to the opponents being down they started throwing up everything hoping it stuck? Not so maybe for Sac because for some reason they went away from Fulcher.

Probably has something to do with the QBs. Chachere is a good qb but not necessarily a good passer. SAC’s starter has been hurt so they’re using a frosh and UNC pass game isn’t great.

[Grizfan7]

MSU run defense last 3 games: 2.5 ypc
UM: 3.5

UM pass defense efficiency last 3 games: 79.4
MSU: 153.0

I always get confused on the efficiency stats. Is a higher number better?

It is for the offense. UM’s 79.4 is off the charts good for a defense.

Not that their defense is not good because they are pretty decent, but can some of that be due to the opponents being down they started throwing up everything hoping it stuck? Not so maybe for Sac because for some reason they went away from Fulcher.

Probably has something to do with the QBs. Chachere is a good qb but not necessarily a good passer. SAC’s starter has been hurt so they’re using a frosh and UNC pass game isn’t great.

It was frequent pressure on the qb, good pass defense, rattled qb's wanting to get rid of the ball, inaccurate passing and few mistakes in secondary. I put the things in the order of importance. I suppose nos. 2 and 3 could be switched. Yes, we've seen better and more accurate passers. Riley Wilson, no. 42, is good and fast, and that's why he leads the conference in sacks. Hawaii transfer from Texas. He missed some games with a concussion earlier in the season, but he will be all-conference the next 2 years.

UNC had only 94 yards of total offense 7-23-2 passing, 1-15 on 3d down conversion, and 6 sacks.

SS had 268 yards of TO, 15-39 passing, 4-16 on 3d down conversions, and 1 sack.

PSU had 255 yards of TO, 12-18, 4-11 on 3d down conversions, and 3 sacks.

[Grizfan7]

The UM kicker, Ramos, who started last year but not this year, has now made 9 FG's in a row, in the 2 seasons. He took over for the first kicker a few games ago. He's not as long as the other kicker.

Gillman, the frosh rb, is now the all-time leading frosh rusher for UM. I think he has a younger brother who is a senior in high school and good.

McDowell is 7-0 as starter, and team is averaging 440 yards of TO when he's the starter. UM is averaging 390 of TO per game.

If UM wins, Hauck thinks UM will be 2d or maybe 3d seed. Might be 4th seed with a loss. MSU would be 2/3 with win, but, depending on other games, MSU could fall as far as no. 9 (so no seed). (I suppose MSU fans may not agree with that.) I haven't tried to look at MSU's seed prospects. I suppose it may also depend on how close, or not close, the game goes.

Hauck was very positive on Vigen in the coaches show. Hauck said he knew both Cat qb's a bit and they are good kids.

30 of 33 Cat sacks are from the d-line, as opposed to linebackers. That is a very good stat for the Cats.

Did Cats jump 9 times for penalties at SDSU?

The UM crowd noise is going to be huge. A couple Cat drives or big plays are not going to take the crowd out of it. It will take more than that. Chambers has not played in Missoula. Mellott has not played much in Missoula. Mellott didn't throw a pass in 2021. He was 7-27 rushing.

[catatac]

Yes, Cats jumped nine times at SDSU. None at Idaho and from what I've heard, the Idaho crowd was similar to SDSU noise-wise. Neither of those compare to Denny's Place, not even close, but the Cats know how to get plays called in and changed at the line regardless of how much noise. I'm not saying it won't be a factor. There might be two or three motion or procedure penalties, but nine is not happening. Also, I know you didn't say this with your post but if you're hinting that either Tommy or Sean is going to get rattled and melt down in that environment - you better start hoping for something else. That's not happening. It's more likely your brand new QB that has never experienced it gets rattled. Our defense is finally getting a couple players back that should make a big difference in slowing the run, and in coverage on the back end. The Cat DL is the best in the conference and have been rotating ten players. Cliff will be getting hit in this game, probably a lot.

[Grizfan7]

Yes, Cats jumped nine times at SDSU. None at Idaho and from what I've heard, the Idaho crowd was similar to SDSU noise-wise. Neither of those compare to Denny's Place, not even close, but the Cats know how to get plays called in and changed at the line regardless of how much noise. I'm not saying it won't be a factor. There might be two or three motion or procedure penalties, but nine is not happening. Also, I know you didn't say this with your post but if you're hinting that either Tommy or Sean is going to get rattled and melt down in that environment - you better start hoping for something else. That's not happening. It's more likely your brand new QB that has never experienced it gets rattled. Our defense is finally getting a couple players back that should make a big difference in slowing the run, and in coverage on the back end. The Cat DL is the best in the conference and have been rotating ten players. Cliff will be getting hit in this game, probably a lot.

Why were there 9 penalties at SDSU?

Won't this be the loudest and most hostile crowd MSU has faced in the past 2 years? I assume OSU wasn't loud for long, because it was a blowout.

McDowell certainly isn't going to be bothered by crowd noise. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make about McDowell. It's a big game, or another big game, but it won't be loud when UM is on O. Also, getting rattled is one thing; not being able to hear and communicate is another thing. Changing up plays and calls is not easy.

Who is your D getting back? Does MSU blitz the backers much, or just the front 4? McDowell is a big tough kid. He has been hit in some other games too. But, sure, if the Cat D is all over him a lot, that will impact the game.

I want to see how the UM D, especially linebackers, does against Mellott's outside run game. He's dangerous on the edge, and seems to get 8 or 10 every time he gets to the edge, which is often. Chambers is tough too, especially up the middle. And, with such a good run game, the occasional pass or play action concerns me. Sticking with receivers takes discipline and good eyes.

Last year at Dukes in Scottsdale, my wife and I were with 4 former UM d-backs, including Tru. We had to rotate 2 to another table that was all Cats. Good guys. My wife and I ended up being at that table as the game went on. One of the Cats felt so sorry for us, that he picked up our tab for food/drinks. He had grown up in Missoula.

[91catAlum]

Who is your D getting back? Does MSU blitz the backers much, or just the front 4? McDowell is a big tough kid. He has been hit in some other games too. But, sure, if the Cat D is all over him a lot, that will impact the game.

I want to see how the UM D, especially linebackers, does against Mellott's outside run game. He's dangerous on the edge, and seems to get 8 or 10 every time he gets to the edge, which is often. Chambers is tough too, especially up the middle. And, with such a good run game, the occasional pass or play action concerns me. Sticking with receivers takes discipline and good eyes.

MSU is getting back 2 starters on defense: LB Danny Uluilakepa who suffered an arm injury on the first play at Sac St and Safety Dru Polidore who had hand injuries. Its not known whether they are actually 100% or not.

No MSU does not blitz often, we mostly rely on the front 4 getting a push.

I'm curious to see what adjustments the um 3-3-5 is going to make this year to limit the Cats run game. I know they won't just go into the game with their typical style, as that resulted in 440 rush yards and 0 punts in last year's Brawl. I'm sure um will have some changes up their sleeve, so I think MSU will have to be able to hit some quick passes in the middle or outside to keep the griz D honest. If we can't do that then it will be a long day for us. If we can, I don't see how um stops our offense.

[Grizfan7]

Who is your D getting back? Does MSU blitz the backers much, or just the front 4? McDowell is a big tough kid. He has been hit in some other games too. But, sure, if the Cat D is all over him a lot, that will impact the game.

I want to see how the UM D, especially linebackers, does against Mellott's outside run game. He's dangerous on the edge, and seems to get 8 or 10 every time he gets to the edge, which is often. Chambers is tough too, especially up the middle. And, with such a good run game, the occasional pass or play action concerns me. Sticking with receivers takes discipline and good eyes.

MSU is getting back 2 starters on defense: LB Danny Uluilakepa who suffered an arm injury on the first play at Sac St and Safety Dru Polidore who had hand injuries. Its not known whether they are actually 100% or not.

No MSU does not blitz often, we mostly rely on the front 4 getting a push.

I'm curious to see what adjustments the um 3-3-5 is going to make this year to limit the Cats run game. I know they won't just go into the game with their typical style, as that resulted in 440 rush yards and 0 punts in last year's Brawl. I'm sure um will have some changes up their sleeve, so I think MSU will have to be able to hit some quick passes in the middle or outside to keep the griz D honest. If we can't do that then it will be a long day for us. If we can, I don't see how um stops our offense.

It will be interesting to see what UM tries to do on D and to stop/slow the run. I don't know enough about the UM scheme to know what they did wrong last year or what they can do this year. I heard coaches say they had the wrong scheme last year. I also saw UM players, especially backers, lean or take half steps the wrong way multiple times. That can't happen again this year, if UM is going to stop/slow the run. I'm confident that the new DC Bradford, and T. Hauck, will have a better scheme and have coached the D better in terms of discipline, eyes, etc. The Cat run game is super good, but some other teams have slowed or stopped it at times. Perhaps only stopped it when the QB's were hurt. I watched most of the SDSU game, but can't recall what SDSU was doing. As I said earlier, I also worry about some occasional bigger passing plays. Both teams have taken good care of the ball, and UM has reduced the number of bigger mistakes it was making earlier in the year. I'm hoping the crowd truly is the 12th man. Thanks for the info.

[catatac]

Yes, there have been games where the Cats didn't run all over people, and some of that was great defensive game planning and execution, and some of it, as you say, Cats were limited in personnel, or QBs didn't play as well as they normally do. Colter sums it up well when he talks about the Cat's +1 run game with either Sean or Tommy, there are a lot of plays where as long as the QB makes the right read, there is literally nothing the defense can do to stop them from getting to the second level. It's math. However, if the Grizzlies can find a way to keep moving the chains, long sustained drives, and keep getting first downs, keeping the ball away from the Cat offense, this is their best shot. This is how Idaho managed to do it and spring the upset.

[TomCat88]

Yes, there have been games where the Cats didn't run all over people, and some of that was great defensive game planning and execution, and some of it, as you say, Cats were limited in personnel, or QBs didn't play as well as they normally do. Colter sums it up well when he talks about the Cat's +1 run game with either Sean or Tommy, there are a lot of plays where as long as the QB makes the right read, there is literally nothing the defense can do to stop them from getting to the second level. It's math. However, if the Grizzlies can find a way to keep moving the chains, long sustained drives, and keep getting first downs, keeping the ball away from the Cat offense, this is their best shot. This is how Idaho managed to do it and spring the upset.

Or they could just force a bunch of turnovers, get some big returns and win easily. But I get what you’re saying.

It’s worth keeping in mind that MSU dropped three passes and committed a huge offside (may not have mattered) or that game plan doesn’t work.

[catatac]

Yes, there have been games where the Cats didn't run all over people, and some of that was great defensive game planning and execution, and some of it, as you say, Cats were limited in personnel, or QBs didn't play as well as they normally do. Colter sums it up well when he talks about the Cat's +1 run game with either Sean or Tommy, there are a lot of plays where as long as the QB makes the right read, there is literally nothing the defense can do to stop them from getting to the second level. It's math. However, if the Grizzlies can find a way to keep moving the chains, long sustained drives, and keep getting first downs, keeping the ball away from the Cat offense, this is their best shot. This is how Idaho managed to do it and spring the upset.

Or they could just force a bunch of turnovers, get some big returns and win easily. But I get what you’re saying.

It’s worth keeping in mind that MSU dropped three passes and committed a huge offside (may not have mattered) or that game plan doesn’t work.

Yep, that ALWAYS works if you can pull it off! I have a feeling these Cats aren't going to start sluggish like they did in Idaho. I think they'll be dialed in well and able to move the ball most drives. I doubt there will be any kick return game from UM, and I doubt there will be many, if any punt returns.

[TomCat88]

Yes, there have been games where the Cats didn't run all over people, and some of that was great defensive game planning and execution, and some of it, as you say, Cats were limited in personnel, or QBs didn't play as well as they normally do. Colter sums it up well when he talks about the Cat's +1 run game with either Sean or Tommy, there are a lot of plays where as long as the QB makes the right read, there is literally nothing the defense can do to stop them from getting to the second level. It's math. However, if the Grizzlies can find a way to keep moving the chains, long sustained drives, and keep getting first downs, keeping the ball away from the Cat offense, this is their best shot. This is how Idaho managed to do it and spring the upset.

Or they could just force a bunch of turnovers, get some big returns and win easily. But I get what you’re saying.

It’s worth keeping in mind that MSU dropped three passes and committed a huge offside (may not have mattered) or that game plan doesn’t work.

Yep, that ALWAYS works if you can pull it off! I have a feeling these Cats aren't going to start sluggish like they did in Idaho. I think they'll be dialed in well and able to move the ball most drives. I doubt there will be any kick return game from UM, and I doubt there will be many, if any punt returns.

I think UM might block a punt. I can’t remember when they’ve done that to MSU. They might be due. They’re also due for some breaks. MSU has been getting more breaks the past few years.

[The Butcher]

Why were there 9 penalties at SDSU?

Why do Cat fans ALWAYS want to bring up crap from months ago and not last week? It's funny...since we're bringing up crap from long ago (yes, even Idaho was light years ago right now)

According to your logic, you shouldn't look at SDSU due to it being played 'light years ago.' Unless you hold griz fans to a lower standard than Cat fans.

[Grizfan7]

Why were there 9 penalties at SDSU?

Why do Cat fans ALWAYS want to bring up crap from months ago and not last week? It's funny...since we're bringing up crap from long ago (yes, even Idaho was light years ago right now)

According to your logic, you shouldn't look at SDSU due to it being played 'light years ago.' Unless you hold griz fans to a lower standard than Cat fans.

I'm happy to include or not include SDSU. If one is selecting the best teams MSU has played, then SDSU should be included. I agree that SDSU was long ago. I suppose it may or may not be relevant now. However, aren't most Cats trying to say that playing SDSU fairly close shows that the Cats are good?

You can pick what you want and do your stats. I'm happy to look at the stats. To me, the most relevant games for comparison of UM and MSU are Idaho and SS. But whatever. When I chose to do stats on the 3 best opponents, I wasn't necessarily trying to compare the two teams. I was just wondering how UM and MSU did in the games against the 3 best teams they played. I don't believe I initially made any comparisons of UM and MSU from those stats. I like to look at stats. I rarely try to use the stats to compare teams to one another, other than on the particular stat. If the Cats score a lot of points, that's good. But it doesn't, alone, mean the Cats are better than UM. There are other important factors.

[Joe Bobcat]

Why were there 9 penalties at SDSU?

Why do Cat fans ALWAYS want to bring up crap from months ago and not last week? It's funny...since we're bringing up crap from long ago (yes, even Idaho was light years ago right now)

According to your logic, you shouldn't look at SDSU due to it being played 'light years ago.' Unless you hold griz fans to a lower standard than Cat fans.

I'm happy to include or not include SDSU. If one is selecting the best teams MSU has played, then SDSU should be included. I agree that SDSU was long ago. I suppose it may or may not be relevant now. However, aren't most Cats trying to say that playing SDSU fairly close shows that the Cats are good?

You can pick what you want and do your stats. I'm happy to look at the stats. To me, the most relevant games for comparison of UM and MSU are Idaho and SS. But whatever. When I chose to do stats on the 3 best opponents, I wasn't necessarily trying to compare the two teams. I was just wondering how UM and MSU did in the games against the 3 best teams they played. I don't believe I initially made any comparisons of UM and MSU from those stats. I like to look at stats. I rarely try to use the stats to compare teams to one another, other than on the particular stat. If the Cats score a lot of points, that's good. But it doesn't, alone, mean the Cats are better than UM. There are other important factors.

That's an amazingly thin vail you use there, unfortunately for you it doesn't hide your true intention and purpose which obviously is to compare the two teams. Speaking of thin vails, could you recommend a lawyer who is a real PLAYER and would REP his clients well, even if it meant he had to use lots of meaningless stats to do it?

[The Butcher]

Why were there 9 penalties at SDSU?

Why do Cat fans ALWAYS want to bring up crap from months ago and not last week? It's funny...since we're bringing up crap from long ago (yes, even Idaho was light years ago right now)

According to your logic, you shouldn't look at SDSU due to it being played 'light years ago.' Unless you hold griz fans to a lower standard than Cat fans.

I'm happy to include or not include SDSU. If one is selecting the best teams MSU has played, then SDSU should be included. I agree that SDSU was long ago. I suppose it may or may not be relevant now. However, aren't most Cats trying to say that playing SDSU fairly close shows that the Cats are good?

You can pick what you want and do your stats. I'm happy to look at the stats. To me, the most relevant games for comparison of UM and MSU are Idaho and SS. But whatever. When I chose to do stats on the 3 best opponents, I wasn't necessarily trying to compare the two teams. I was just wondering how UM and MSU did in the games against the 3 best teams they played. I don't believe I initially made any comparisons of UM and MSU from those stats. I like to look at stats. I rarely try to use the stats to compare teams to one another, other than on the particular stat. If the Cats score a lot of points, that's good. But it doesn't, alone, mean the Cats are better than UM. There are other important factors.

You are the person with an issue of using a game in the past for comparison (specifically NAU), not other posters. You hold others to a different standard than you hold yourself too is all I am saying. Simply a perception.