UM's team and MSU's team

[Grizfan7]

I’ll bite.

QB: Clearly MSU has the advantage here. Both QB’s are better than McDowell. [I will give you that. Especially Mellott.]

RB: I think Julius Davis is better than Gilman, although I do like Gilman. Davis is more complete, runs more physical, less boom/bust. Gilman more explosive. I’m not that impressed with Ostmo. White is better than Ostmo, I think White and Gilman are pretty similar impact wise. White has made some tremendous downfield catches that RB’s typically don’t make. [I will take both Gillman and Ostmo over any of the Cat backs.]

TE: Even with the injuries, MSU is ahead here. Grossman would start for MSU if healthy though. Snell is more versatile, impacts their offense more. [You can have this one. Is Snell healthy? I don't know enough to judge.}

OL: Although UM’s is playing better, MSU’s is still clearly better. I wouldn’t trade a single one. [UM's o-line is coming along. Their pass protection is getting back to where it should have been all season. Note the UM no. 55 was picked earlier in the season to be the first Big Sky player drafted. He's finally coming alive. I don't think your o-line could protect our QB's. You can have this one too.]

WR: As currently constructed, I’d take UM’s WR’s over MSU’s in terms of being good receivers. Clevan Thomas is a very good run blocker, and that does matter for MSU. Bergen is fantastic, and Fontes is a better route runner than anybody MSU has. McCullouch is good, but he’s more athlete than WR IMO. It’s pretty close overall, I think. [UM's receivers are better. They block fairly well too.]

DL: Although Gubner is very good, Valdez is better. Gubner would probably start over Schmidt, but Schmidt is no slouch. There’s nobody else for UM that’s good enough to start on the line. Grebe is much better than any edge they have. [I disagree on Gubner. He is the best defensive player in the conference. Grebe is very good. UM still has 3 of its top 4 d-line out, or almost out., but the d-line is playing well. It has gained some depth over the season too.]

LB: Again, considering injury, I would probably take UM over MSU here. Danny U is as good as anybody they have, but he’s hurt. Askelson is very good, very physical, but a touch limited athletically. I really like Braxton Hill. Wilson is intriguing but streaky, Flink is just a guy. Nothing special at all imo. [UM's linebackers are considerably better. Wilson is not streaky. He's very good and very fast. Janacaro is good too. Flink has 7 tackles, 6 solo, against SS, and had a terrific game.]

DB’s: MSU wins here. Don’t think it’s particularly close either. [I disagree. I like UM's db's better.]

K: probably UM but I’ll be honest, I don’t even know who they have. [I liked your kicker earlier in the season. UM has 2 pretty good kickers, but not consistent. This one can be a push.]

P: MSU easy [I don't know who your punter is or how he's doing., so I won't debate this one.]

PR: This goes to Bergen [Bergen is the best in the conference.]

KR: draw [I don't know enough to debate this one.]

See my comments to your comments in brackets and bold. I think we made some progress.It was nice to have the discussion. I learned some things. Thx.

Most of us don't take you seriously and wonder why you're even here but if you want any respect at all maybe make a decision: decide if you're going to claim you don't know anything about the Bobcats' players and ask for information from people that have watched both teams or act like you know what you're talking about and just like the griz better. Your responses make it obvious you don't know anything so maybe just stick with that.

What do you think I said that wasn’t right, and please explain why you think I am wrong. I know quite a bit about the Cats, but not position groups like TE’s. I don’t care if you take me seriously, but I have been right on most of my substantive football posts this season. Not all, but most. I know and talk to Pflu, most Griz coaches, former Griz coaches. I also know Gregorak, Delaney, etc, but haven’t checked in with them this year. Plus my family and friends in Bozeman. I rarely say anything about football where I am not confident in what I say and have knowledge or sources. Feel free to point out anything I have said in BN that you think is wrong.

[wbtfg]

"I don't know much about your players, but let me tell you why you're wrong"

[coachouert]

"I don't know much about your players, but let me tell you why you're wrong"

“Give me support to back up your statements while I use hyperbole and name drop gris coaches.”

[coloradocat]

I’ll bite.

QB: Clearly MSU has the advantage here. Both QB’s are better than McDowell. [I will give you that. Especially Mellott.]

RB: I think Julius Davis is better than Gilman, although I do like Gilman. Davis is more complete, runs more physical, less boom/bust. Gilman more explosive. I’m not that impressed with Ostmo. White is better than Ostmo, I think White and Gilman are pretty similar impact wise. White has made some tremendous downfield catches that RB’s typically don’t make. [I will take both Gillman and Ostmo over any of the Cat backs.]

TE: Even with the injuries, MSU is ahead here. Grossman would start for MSU if healthy though. Snell is more versatile, impacts their offense more. [You can have this one. Is Snell healthy? I don't know enough to judge.}

OL: Although UM’s is playing better, MSU’s is still clearly better. I wouldn’t trade a single one. [UM's o-line is coming along. Their pass protection is getting back to where it should have been all season. Note the UM no. 55 was picked earlier in the season to be the first Big Sky player drafted. He's finally coming alive. I don't think your o-line could protect our QB's. You can have this one too.]

WR: As currently constructed, I’d take UM’s WR’s over MSU’s in terms of being good receivers. Clevan Thomas is a very good run blocker, and that does matter for MSU. Bergen is fantastic, and Fontes is a better route runner than anybody MSU has. McCullouch is good, but he’s more athlete than WR IMO. It’s pretty close overall, I think. [UM's receivers are better. They block fairly well too.]

DL: Although Gubner is very good, Valdez is better. Gubner would probably start over Schmidt, but Schmidt is no slouch. There’s nobody else for UM that’s good enough to start on the line. Grebe is much better than any edge they have. [I disagree on Gubner. He is the best defensive player in the conference. Grebe is very good. UM still has 3 of its top 4 d-line out, or almost out., but the d-line is playing well. It has gained some depth over the season too.]

LB: Again, considering injury, I would probably take UM over MSU here. Danny U is as good as anybody they have, but he’s hurt. Askelson is very good, very physical, but a touch limited athletically. I really like Braxton Hill. Wilson is intriguing but streaky, Flink is just a guy. Nothing special at all imo. [UM's linebackers are considerably better. Wilson is not streaky. He's very good and very fast. Janacaro is good too. Flink has 7 tackles, 6 solo, against SS, and had a terrific game.]

DB’s: MSU wins here. Don’t think it’s particularly close either. [I disagree. I like UM's db's better.]

K: probably UM but I’ll be honest, I don’t even know who they have. [I liked your kicker earlier in the season. UM has 2 pretty good kickers, but not consistent. This one can be a push.]

P: MSU easy [I don't know who your punter is or how he's doing., so I won't debate this one.]

PR: This goes to Bergen [Bergen is the best in the conference.]

KR: draw [I don't know enough to debate this one.]

See my comments to your comments in brackets and bold. I think we made some progress.It was nice to have the discussion. I learned some things. Thx.

Most of us don't take you seriously and wonder why you're even here but if you want any respect at all maybe make a decision: decide if you're going to claim you don't know anything about the Bobcats' players and ask for information from people that have watched both teams or act like you know what you're talking about and just like the griz better. Your responses make it obvious you don't know anything so maybe just stick with that.

What do you think I said that wasn’t right, and please explain why you think I am wrong. I know quite a bit about the Cats, but not position groups like TE’s. I don’t care if you take me seriously, but I have been right on most of my substantive football posts this season. Not all, but most. I know and talk to Pflu, most Griz coaches, former Griz coaches. I also know Gregorak, Delaney, etc, but haven’t checked in with them this year. Plus my family and friends in Bozeman. I rarely say anything about football where I am not confident in what I say and have knowledge or sources. Feel free to point out anything I have said in BN that you think is wrong.

Name dropping griz people isn't the flex you think it is. We don't care how irrationally confident you are in the team you are a fan of. I can't make a judgement on how accurate you've been in your substantive football posts because I haven't seen any yet.

[coloradocat]

"I don't know much about your players, but let me tell you why you're wrong"

“Give me support to back up your statements while I use hyperbole and name drop gris coaches.”

"I know quite a bit about the Cats but I don't don't know much about the Cats. Tell me where I'm wrong."

[wbtfg]

"Clearly, no one here has ever played the game"

[Rich K]

Stephen King is also adept at diarrhea of the keyboard.