WHO STAYS AND WHO GOES?

[MSU01]

San Jose State not listed.

[AFCAT]

Utah State. Well, that's life in the new era of college basketball.

[mslacatfan]

San Jose State not listed.

Wow!

And also, I laughed at the San Jose state comment. Hahaha

[Catlady]

Yup. The transfer portal is ruining college sports. I hate it.

Seems like it’s more competitive than ever! The big time schools definitely aren’t as dominant as previous years…. The upsets in Football and basketball are amazing. I have no problem with athletes being able to decide where they play the sport they love versus some archaic organization making the decision for them. I never was a fan of the Covid year so really don’t care about the players from WBB entering the portal. They played 4 years which is great!

I think in time we’ll adjust to the new normal. I look at Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts and others who hit the portal…… Hell even Larry Bird was a collegiate transfer. They made tough decisions to leave their school versus not playing. They believed in their talent and proved that they had the ability to perform at a higher level. Who does it benefit if they sit on the bench to back up a player that the Coach decided to play. Isn’t it the American way to be able to make decisions on your future? I could be wrong, but I like players being able to control their future. As a fan, it’s difficult to see Battle leave MSU, but I’m happy for him. He worked hard and brought great moments to Bobcat hoops. I’ll always be a fan. He came to MSU after being recruited by Sprinkle. Danny is now leaving for a great payday. Why shouldn’t Battle improve his financial future? College sports will be fine! The portal, NIL…… it’s just the new normal. We just need to learn how to compete in a new world. You can say without question we benefited from the portal the last two seasons! We will also benefit from it in the future.

[MSU01]

Yup. The transfer portal is ruining college sports. I hate it.

Seems like it’s more competitive than ever! The big time schools definitely aren’t as dominant as previous years…. The upsets in Football and basketball are amazing. I have no problem with athletes being able to decide where they play the sport they love versus some archaic organization making the decision for them. I never was a fan of the Covid year so really don’t care about the players from WBB entering the portal. They played 4 years which is great!

I think in time we’ll adjust to the new normal. I look at Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts and others who hit the portal…… Hell even Larry Bird was a collegiate transfer. They made tough decisions to leave their school versus not playing. They believed in their talent and proved that they had the ability to perform at a higher level. Who does it benefit if they sit on the bench to back up a player that the Coach decided to play. Isn’t it the American way to be able to make decisions on your future? I could be wrong, but I like players being able to control their future. As a fan, it’s difficult to see Battle leave MSU, but I’m happy for him. He worked hard and brought great moments to Bobcat hoops. I’ll always be a fan. He came to MSU after being recruited by Sprinkle. Danny is now leaving for a great payday. Why shouldn’t Battle improve his financial future? College sports will be fine! The portal, NIL…… it’s just the new normal. We just need to learn how to compete in a new world. You can say without question we benefited from the portal the last two seasons! We will also benefit from it in the future.

Well said. As I pointes out earlier in the thread, the amount of player movement won't be quite so crazy once all players eligible for the COVID year have used it up and things go back to the normal "5 to play 4" system for everyone.

[thefrank1]

Thanks Catlady, we'll said. Those too fearful to adapt are doomed for extinction.

[Catlady]

Thanks Catlady, we'll said. Those too fearful to adapt are doomed for extinction.

Thanks for the comments……. I feel like a hypocrite….. because I want Battle, Brown, White, Bad Bear, Beattie and every other transfer to stay!
But you’re right, if you don’t adapt you die! I trust our leadership and Coaches to adapt.

[Ilikecats]

Thanks Catlady, we'll said. Those too fearful to adapt are doomed for extinction.

Thanks for the comments……. I feel like a hypocrite….. because I want Battle, Brown, White, Bad Bear, Beattie and every other transfer to stay!
But you’re right, if you don’t adapt you die! I trust our leadership and Coaches to adapt.

You’re not a hypocrite……. You’re a fan! Glad to see you’re not part of the “woe is me crowd”! Why can’t we support others who work hard and perform at a high level, and get an opportunity to play at an even higher level? The goal has to be to create a program that encourages the players to stay at MSU! If a player selects a school, it’s ok if they make a decision to leave. I didn’t know Larry Bird was a transfer. I can see why he and Bobby Knight didn’t mesh together. I guess Larry should’ve stayed at Indiana?

[tetoncat]

The goal of college athletics was to provide an opportunity for athletes to continue in a sport they love while earning their college degree. All while possibly getting some or all of their education paid for. This also instilled pride in the university and support from their fellow students, alumni, and fans. Somewhere along the line, it turned into a business with coaches becoming by far the highest paid university employees and many athletes goal being professional sports rather than their degree. Majority of sports in college do not generate more than they cost, even football at MSU does not, do we really expect fans and donors to continue to fund facilities, NIL, higher booster fees and season tickets while some of these athletes make more in NIL, tuition, and living allowance than some of their hard working fans. I don't think it is a sustainable situation for most colleges.

The portal is great for the student but if team doesn't win fan support may dwindle. NIL is great for student but can it continue to be funded, all athletes put in the time, but only the already high funded sports will get high dollars and higher profile athletes will make more. We have truly moved on from amateur athletics.

[thefrank1]

Just as we moved on from slavery.

[Cat Grad]

The goal of college athletics was to provide an opportunity for athletes to continue in a sport they love while earning their college degree. All while possibly getting some or all of their education paid for. This also instilled pride in the university and support from their fellow students, alumni, and fans. Somewhere along the line, it turned into a business with coaches becoming by far the highest paid university employees and many athletes goal being professional sports rather than their degree. Majority of sports in college do not generate more than they cost, even football at MSU does not, do we really expect fans and donors to continue to fund facilities, NIL, higher booster fees and season tickets while some of these athletes make more in NIL, tuition, and living allowance than some of their hard working fans. I don't think it is a sustainable situation for most colleges.

The portal is great for the student but if team doesn't win fan support may dwindle. NIL is great for student but can it continue to be funded, all athletes put in the time, but only the already high funded sports will get high dollars and higher profile athletes will make more. We have truly moved on from amateur athletics.

Bullsh*t. Starting in middle school, parents are transferring to different schools, communities and states. Taking their kids to athletic trainers (Bierman's mom traveling from Hardin to Billings even in Montana!)

There's one hell of a lot more money in athletics than going to school just to get a higher paying job. Many of our new billionaires are college dropouts. A lot more money to be had as a parent raising a professional athlete than an accountant, engineer, school teacher, pharmacist...

[MSU01]

The transfer portal won't ruin college athletics any more than free agency ruined professional sports.

[tetoncat]

The goal of college athletics was to provide an opportunity for athletes to continue in a sport they love while earning their college degree. All while possibly getting some or all of their education paid for. This also instilled pride in the university and support from their fellow students, alumni, and fans. Somewhere along the line, it turned into a business with coaches becoming by far the highest paid university employees and many athletes goal being professional sports rather than their degree. Majority of sports in college do not generate more than they cost, even football at MSU does not, do we really expect fans and donors to continue to fund facilities, NIL, higher booster fees and season tickets while some of these athletes make more in NIL, tuition, and living allowance than some of their hard working fans. I don't think it is a sustainable situation for most colleges.

The portal is great for the student but if team doesn't win fan support may dwindle. NIL is great for student but can it continue to be funded, all athletes put in the time, but only the already high funded sports will get high dollars and higher profile athletes will make more. We have truly moved on from amateur athletics.

Bullsh*t. Starting in middle school, parents are transferring to different schools, communities and states. Taking their kids to athletic trainers (Bierman's mom traveling from Hardin to Billings even in Montana!)

There's one hell of a lot more money in athletics than going to school just to get a higher paying job. Many of our new billionaires are college dropouts. A lot more money to be had as a parent raising a professional athlete than an accountant, engineer, school teacher, pharmacist...

Which part is ******. I said college athletics has changed to a business. Your comment about what parents do reinforces that. I just feel that at some point the majority of colleges will not be able to afford to keep up.

Do you really believe that more professional athletes are created each year than the professionals you listed. MSU had a record year in 2022 getting what 4 athletes into NFL. I am guessing if you totaled up graduates in football, MBB, WBB, T&F, VB, Golf, etc there are more than 4.

[BleedingBLue]

The transfer portal won't ruin college athletics any more than free agency ruined professional sports.

Why do people continue to bring up this comparison? It's not even close to the same thing. Professional athletes don't get to pick up and leave their teams as they please. That is the main problem with the portal and the NCAA version of free agency.

Those who are worried Osobor may leave, where would he go? He's a good player, but he isn't good enough to get more PT at a high major or power 6 school.

[aucat]

All I know is, right now, I have very little interest in putting my butt back in the arena seats at MSU women and men's games next year. Now.....if somehow magic occurs and poof, suddenly rosters materialize and competitive Men's and Women's team show up....great, I'll probably be back.. But right now, I'm not interested. I'm thankful that we have many fans who are fine with the musical chairs of rotating rosters. I'm just not one of them.

[Cat Grad]

The goal of college athletics was to provide an opportunity for athletes to continue in a sport they love while earning their college degree. All while possibly getting some or all of their education paid for. This also instilled pride in the university and support from their fellow students, alumni, and fans. Somewhere along the line, it turned into a business with coaches becoming by far the highest paid university employees and many athletes goal being professional sports rather than their degree. Majority of sports in college do not generate more than they cost, even football at MSU does not, do we really expect fans and donors to continue to fund facilities, NIL, higher booster fees and season tickets while some of these athletes make more in NIL, tuition, and living allowance than some of their hard working fans. I don't think it is a sustainable situation for most colleges.

The portal is great for the student but if team doesn't win fan support may dwindle. NIL is great for student but can it continue to be funded, all athletes put in the time, but only the already high funded sports will get high dollars and higher profile athletes will make more. We have truly moved on from amateur athletics.

Bullsh*t. Starting in middle school, parents are transferring to different schools, communities and states. Taking their kids to athletic trainers (Bierman's mom traveling from Hardin to Billings even in Montana!)

There's one hell of a lot more money in athletics than going to school just to get a higher paying job. Many of our new billionaires are college dropouts. A lot more money to be had as a parent raising a professional athlete than an accountant, engineer, school teacher, pharmacist...

Which part is ******. I said college athletics has changed to a business. Your comment about what parents do reinforces that. I just feel that at some point the majority of colleges will not be able to afford to keep up.

Do you really believe that more professional athletes are created each year than the professionals you listed. MSU had a record year in 2022 getting what 4 athletes into NFL. I am guessing if you totaled up graduates in football, MBB, WBB, T&F, VB, Golf, etc there are more than 4.

I accept only a small part of your first paragraph. When the Power 5 schools turned their athletic departments over to the school's athletic foundations many years ago, college athletics became a viable non-profit for more than a select few. As a 501(c)(3) an athletic department must spend ALL their fundraising money. They must distribute ALL of their funds each and every year and your MSU accountants are pretty good at showing an annual loss. (Check their books. I'll bet damn near every athletic department shows a loss).

One only needs to look at this school's athletic foundation and your rhetorical question in the second paragraph has a solid answer:

https://georgiadogs.com/news/2023/2/1/2 ... nformation

Now, will the NCAA survive? Virtually all FCS and smaller divisions are dependent upon state funding for their athletic departments (the Dakota schools are exceptions). Sports management would be a great career for many frequent posters on BobcatNation. Back to my question about the NCAA--I don't know and at this juncture in life, I don't care.

Anyway...

Edit* Better yet, go start one!

https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/

One more edit: *https://publish.illinois.edu/illinoisbl ... pt-status/

[MSU01]

All I know is, right now, I have very little interest in putting my butt back in the arena seats at MSU women and men's games next year. Now.....if somehow magic occurs and poof, suddenly rosters materialize and competitive Men's and Women's team show up....great, I'll probably be back.. But right now, I'm not interested. I'm thankful that we have many fans who are fine with the musical chairs of rotating rosters. I'm just not one of them.

I thought you already gave up your women's tickets after their poorer than expected 2021 non-conference season. Or was that threat as empty as this one sounds.

[tetoncat]

The goal of college athletics was to provide an opportunity for athletes to continue in a sport they love while earning their college degree. All while possibly getting some or all of their education paid for. This also instilled pride in the university and support from their fellow students, alumni, and fans. Somewhere along the line, it turned into a business with coaches becoming by far the highest paid university employees and many athletes goal being professional sports rather than their degree. Majority of sports in college do not generate more than they cost, even football at MSU does not, do we really expect fans and donors to continue to fund facilities, NIL, higher booster fees and season tickets while some of these athletes make more in NIL, tuition, and living allowance than some of their hard working fans. I don't think it is a sustainable situation for most colleges.

The portal is great for the student but if team doesn't win fan support may dwindle. NIL is great for student but can it continue to be funded, all athletes put in the time, but only the already high funded sports will get high dollars and higher profile athletes will make more. We have truly moved on from amateur athletics.

Bullsh*t. Starting in middle school, parents are transferring to different schools, communities and states. Taking their kids to athletic trainers (Bierman's mom traveling from Hardin to Billings even in Montana!)

There's one hell of a lot more money in athletics than going to school just to get a higher paying job. Many of our new billionaires are college dropouts. A lot more money to be had as a parent raising a professional athlete than an accountant, engineer, school teacher, pharmacist...

Which part is ******. I said college athletics has changed to a business. Your comment about what parents do reinforces that. I just feel that at some point the majority of colleges will not be able to afford to keep up.

Do you really believe that more professional athletes are created each year than the professionals you listed. MSU had a record year in 2022 getting what 4 athletes into NFL. I am guessing if you totaled up graduates in football, MBB, WBB, T&F, VB, Golf, etc there are more than 4.

I accept only a small part of your first paragraph. When the Power 5 schools turned their athletic departments over to the school's athletic foundations many years ago, college athletics became a viable non-profit for more than a select few. As a 501(c)(3) an athletic department must spend ALL their fundraising money. They must distribute ALL of their funds each and every year and your MSU accountants are pretty good at showing an annual loss. (Check their books. I'll bet damn near every athletic department shows a loss).

One only needs to look at this school's athletic foundation and your rhetorical question in the second paragraph has a solid answer:

https://georgiadogs.com/news/2023/2/1/2 ... nformation

Now, will the NCAA survive? Virtually all FCS and smaller divisions are dependent upon state funding for their athletic departments (the Dakota schools are exceptions). Sports management would be a great career for many frequent posters on BobcatNation. Back to my question about the NCAA--I don't know and at this juncture in life, I don't care.

Anyway...

Edit* Better yet, go start one!

https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/

One more edit: *https://publish.illinois.edu/illinoisbl ... pt-status/

So you really do think more kids graduate college and get paid as professional athletes than get other careers. Well just agree to disagree.

[CelticCat]

All I know is, right now, I have very little interest in putting my butt back in the arena seats at MSU women and men's games next year. Now.....if somehow magic occurs and poof, suddenly rosters materialize and competitive Men's and Women's team show up....great, I'll probably be back.. But right now, I'm not interested. I'm thankful that we have many fans who are fine with the musical chairs of rotating rosters. I'm just not one of them.

So if I’m understanding your stance, you have an acceptable number of transfers allowed (likely zero), and if it’s more than that you won’t show up to the games… unless the new guys start winning. Do the guys staying deserve your support or are they punished because of the transferring players?

[tetoncat]

All I know is, right now, I have very little interest in putting my butt back in the arena seats at MSU women and men's games next year. Now.....if somehow magic occurs and poof, suddenly rosters materialize and competitive Men's and Women's team show up....great, I'll probably be back.. But right now, I'm not interested. I'm thankful that we have many fans who are fine with the musical chairs of rotating rosters. I'm just not one of them.

So if I’m understanding your stance, you have an acceptable number of transfers allowed (likely zero), and if it’s more than that you won’t show up to the games… unless the new guys start winning. Do the guys staying deserve your support or are they punished because of the transferring players?

Don't you think it is easier for more casual fans to follow a team with a high percentage of players that return for 4 years. And all teams need casual fans along with their core supporters. There is a risk of losing this type fan with constant turnover unless you can keep winning at high percentage.