No way the Griz should be in the playoffs

[catscat]

Article about why the gris got in. He lists all the reasons except the real one, that they make money in the first round games and the griz can provide more than many other schools. Still upset but whatever. Chances are Johnson is hurt and since one of the reasons they're in is because of not having him in those close losses. If he's out, and they lose in the first round the committee looks stupid.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... cc4e0.html

You could fertilize a half section with the BS in that explanation. So the gris are in because they were without their QB for a couple games. The committee must be assuming they would have won with him. A very slippery slope. Did they analyze every other team's injury situation? What about Davis playing most of the Sac game without their star running back? The Cats have been without Ifanse all season so maybe we should be number 1. And the part about not knowing what the bids are until after the selection - what a crock. Ya think that was the first um bid ever? Oh, and Haslam gets to make a pitch before he has to leave.

[CatRowdy]

Delaware was 7-4, lost 4 of its last 6, including the last 2, and made the playoffs. What direction are they trending?

Montana didn’t beat a team with a winning record, and got handled in its last game. What direction are they trending?

They are both hosts.

And hosting the 1st round games has zero to do with records or trends. The schools put in a bid to host them. The NCAA basically gets to own the stadium during the playoff game and the schools guarantee them a base revenue. Hence, U of M simply outbid other schools and when the bracket was created U of M getting a home game simply went into the matrix. U of M will likely lose money on this game, but it's so important to their declining fan base to have a home game, the school had to bid high. How else can you attract donors for more football projects if you don't continue the hosting playoff games. And, it does give the gris a better chance at winning the 1st round game.

[HelenaCat95]

The FCS Selection Committee also announced that the World Cup would be in (opens envelope) - Qatar.

Edit - if you've seen the Netflix documentary on FIFA, you'd understand my lame attempt at humor.

[nanacat]

Article about why the gris got in. He lists all the reasons except the real one, that they make money in the first round games and the griz can provide more than many other schools. Still upset but whatever. Chances are Johnson is hurt and since one of the reasons they're in is because of not having him in those close losses. If he's out, and they lose in the first round the committee looks stupid.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... cc4e0.html

You could fertilize a half section with the BS in that explanation. So the gris are in because they were without their QB for a couple games. The committee must be assuming they would have won with him. A very slippery slope. Did they analyze every other team's injury situation? What about Davis playing most of the Sac game without their star running back? The Cats have been without Ifanse all season so maybe we should be number 1. And the part about not knowing what the bids are until after the selection - what a crock. Ya think that was the first um bid ever? Oh, and Haslam gets to make a pitch before he has to leave.

Ya it's very frustrating reading all that justification. Each point could be counter-pointed easily, as you did. They just look dumb. Just admit it was gris bias and money. Because that's the actual truth.

[onceacat]

Article about why the gris got in. He lists all the reasons except the real one, that they make money in the first round games and the griz can provide more than many other schools. Still upset but whatever. Chances are Johnson is hurt and since one of the reasons they're in is because of not having him in those close losses. If he's out, and they lose in the first round the committee looks stupid.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... cc4e0.html

You could fertilize a half section with the BS in that explanation. So the gris are in because they were without their QB for a couple games. The committee must be assuming they would have won with him. A very slippery slope. Did they analyze every other team's injury situation? What about Davis playing most of the Sac game without their star running back? The Cats have been without Ifanse all season so maybe we should be number 1. And the part about not knowing what the bids are until after the selection - what a crock. Ya think that was the first um bid ever? Oh, and Haslam gets to make a pitch before he has to leave.

Ya it's very frustrating reading all that justification. Each point could be counter-pointed easily, as you did. They just look dumb. Just admit it was gris bias and money. Because that's the actual truth.

I've asked multiple times & no one has an answer: Which team with a better resume than the Griz is staying home next weekend?

No deserving team lost out. Lots of other mediocre teams with equal or worse resumes (like 6-5 Davis or 7-4 Chattanooga or 7-4 Rhody) but all the pearl clutching over a 7-4 power conference team getting into the playoffs (Just like the Cats did back in 2014...)

Just like how 95% of BSC & MVFC teams with 7-4 records make it into the playoffs.

Theres literally nothing to see here. What would be surprising is if a 7-4 BSC team got left out for a 7-4 OVC or Southern team with a far weaker resume.

Now THAT would be shocking.

[nanacat]

Article about why the gris got in. He lists all the reasons except the real one, that they make money in the first round games and the griz can provide more than many other schools. Still upset but whatever. Chances are Johnson is hurt and since one of the reasons they're in is because of not having him in those close losses. If he's out, and they lose in the first round the committee looks stupid.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... cc4e0.html

You could fertilize a half section with the BS in that explanation. So the gris are in because they were without their QB for a couple games. The committee must be assuming they would have won with him. A very slippery slope. Did they analyze every other team's injury situation? What about Davis playing most of the Sac game without their star running back? The Cats have been without Ifanse all season so maybe we should be number 1. And the part about not knowing what the bids are until after the selection - what a crock. Ya think that was the first um bid ever? Oh, and Haslam gets to make a pitch before he has to leave.

Ya it's very frustrating reading all that justification. Each point could be counter-pointed easily, as you did. They just look dumb. Just admit it was gris bias and money. Because that's the actual truth.

I've asked multiple times & no one has an answer: Which team with a better resume than the Griz is staying home next weekend?

No deserving team lost out. Lots of other mediocre teams with equal or worse resumes (like 6-5 Davis or 7-4 Chattanooga or 7-4 Rhody) but all the pearl clutching over a 7-4 power conference team getting into the playoffs (Just like the Cats did back in 2014...)

Just like how 95% of BSC & MVFC teams with 7-4 records make it into the playoffs.

Theres literally nothing to see here. What would be surprising is if a 7-4 BSC team got left out for a 7-4 OVC or Southern team with a far weaker resume.

Now THAT would be shocking.

Personally I thought Davis deserved the spot over the gris. They weren't mediocre. It didn't just come down to 7-4 vs 6-5, it came down to the "mighty grizzlies" and their fan base vs UC Davis and theirs. That's just my opinion though.

[onceacat]

Let's say Portland State goes 5-0 against subpar teams then loses 4 of 6 to finish 7-4, 4-4. Does their name even come up in the selection committee discussion? No.

Swap Portland for the Cats. If we had the same record last year going into Cat- Griz as the gris did this year, and got the beat down we did, NO WAY we would have made the playoffs. Total gris bias and chasing the cash. In addition to them getting an ESPN broadcast as well. Makes me mad.

Yes we do. See, for reference, the 2014 season where the Cats started the season ranked #18, climbed to #12, then got totally curb stomped in Missoula.

Still got a home game. Rumor was at the time that Haslem really went to bat for the Cats.

Nothing unusual about an undeserving 7-4 team from a power conference making the playoffs.

Except there were multiple teams with better records and better wins (like against at least one team with a winning record). Plain and simple, if you don’t have one win against a team with a winning record, you probably shouldn’t get in.

No, there aren't. There are lots of other teams with equally mediocre resumes. Youngstown State? Florida A&M? Rhode Island? UT Martin?

[onceacat]

Article about why the gris got in. He lists all the reasons except the real one, that they make money in the first round games and the griz can provide more than many other schools. Still upset but whatever. Chances are Johnson is hurt and since one of the reasons they're in is because of not having him in those close losses. If he's out, and they lose in the first round the committee looks stupid.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... cc4e0.html

You could fertilize a half section with the BS in that explanation. So the gris are in because they were without their QB for a couple games. The committee must be assuming they would have won with him. A very slippery slope. Did they analyze every other team's injury situation? What about Davis playing most of the Sac game without their star running back? The Cats have been without Ifanse all season so maybe we should be number 1. And the part about not knowing what the bids are until after the selection - what a crock. Ya think that was the first um bid ever? Oh, and Haslam gets to make a pitch before he has to leave.

Ya it's very frustrating reading all that justification. Each point could be counter-pointed easily, as you did. They just look dumb. Just admit it was gris bias and money. Because that's the actual truth.

I've asked multiple times & no one has an answer: Which team with a better resume than the Griz is staying home next weekend?

No deserving team lost out. Lots of other mediocre teams with equal or worse resumes (like 6-5 Davis or 7-4 Chattanooga or 7-4 Rhody) but all the pearl clutching over a 7-4 power conference team getting into the playoffs (Just like the Cats did back in 2014...)

Just like how 95% of BSC & MVFC teams with 7-4 records make it into the playoffs.

Theres literally nothing to see here. What would be surprising is if a 7-4 BSC team got left out for a 7-4 OVC or Southern team with a far weaker resume.

Now THAT would be shocking.

Personally I thought Davis deserved the spot over the gris. They weren't mediocre. It didn't just come down to 7-4 vs 6-5, it came down to the "mighty grizzlies" and their fan base vs UC Davis and theirs. That's just my opinion though.

I think Davis is a lot better team. But 6-5 teams almost never make the playoffs, and in the rare case that they do, they don't jump teams with better records.

That would be truly unprecedented.

[Cataholic]

Article about why the gris got in. He lists all the reasons except the real one, that they make money in the first round games and the griz can provide more than many other schools. Still upset but whatever. Chances are Johnson is hurt and since one of the reasons they're in is because of not having him in those close losses. If he's out, and they lose in the first round the committee looks stupid.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... cc4e0.html

You could fertilize a half section with the BS in that explanation. So the gris are in because they were without their QB for a couple games. The committee must be assuming they would have won with him. A very slippery slope. Did they analyze every other team's injury situation? What about Davis playing most of the Sac game without their star running back? The Cats have been without Ifanse all season so maybe we should be number 1. And the part about not knowing what the bids are until after the selection - what a crock. Ya think that was the first um bid ever? Oh, and Haslam gets to make a pitch before he has to leave.

Ya it's very frustrating reading all that justification. Each point could be counter-pointed easily, as you did. They just look dumb. Just admit it was gris bias and money. Because that's the actual truth.

I've asked multiple times & no one has an answer: Which team with a better resume than the Griz is staying home next weekend?

No deserving team lost out. Lots of other mediocre teams with equal or worse resumes (like 6-5 Davis or 7-4 Chattanooga or 7-4 Rhody) but all the pearl clutching over a 7-4 power conference team getting into the playoffs (Just like the Cats did back in 2014...)

Just like how 95% of BSC & MVFC teams with 7-4 records make it into the playoffs.

Theres literally nothing to see here. What would be surprising is if a 7-4 BSC team got left out for a 7-4 OVC or Southern team with a far weaker resume.

Now THAT would be shocking.

I am pretty sure a couple other posters brought this up but you must have missed it.

Youngstown State is 7-4 with better wins and plays in the MVFC.
Austin Peay is 7-4 and they beat Eastern Kentucky who is in the playoffs.
Rhode Island is 7-4 with a win over Elon who made the playoffs and plays in the CAA.

Tenn Martin is 7-4 and did not have a win over a team with a winning record. They did not make the playoffs.

UM most impressive win is over 4-7 Portland State.

[BleedingBLue]

Article about why the gris got in. He lists all the reasons except the real one, that they make money in the first round games and the griz can provide more than many other schools. Still upset but whatever. Chances are Johnson is hurt and since one of the reasons they're in is because of not having him in those close losses. If he's out, and they lose in the first round the committee looks stupid.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky ... cc4e0.html

You could fertilize a half section with the BS in that explanation. So the gris are in because they were without their QB for a couple games. The committee must be assuming they would have won with him. A very slippery slope. Did they analyze every other team's injury situation? What about Davis playing most of the Sac game without their star running back? The Cats have been without Ifanse all season so maybe we should be number 1. And the part about not knowing what the bids are until after the selection - what a crock. Ya think that was the first um bid ever? Oh, and Haslam gets to make a pitch before he has to leave.

Ya it's very frustrating reading all that justification. Each point could be counter-pointed easily, as you did. They just look dumb. Just admit it was gris bias and money. Because that's the actual truth.

I've asked multiple times & no one has an answer: Which team with a better resume than the Griz is staying home next weekend?

No deserving team lost out. Lots of other mediocre teams with equal or worse resumes (like 6-5 Davis or 7-4 Chattanooga or 7-4 Rhody) but all the pearl clutching over a 7-4 power conference team getting into the playoffs (Just like the Cats did back in 2014...)

Just like how 95% of BSC & MVFC teams with 7-4 records make it into the playoffs.

Theres literally nothing to see here. What would be surprising is if a 7-4 BSC team got left out for a 7-4 OVC or Southern team with a far weaker resume.

Now THAT would be shocking.

I've answered the question several times. Rhode Island has a win over #11 Elon, who has 3 top 25 wins, and no bad losses. They were also 7-3 vs the FCS, not 7-4. They had a 1 point loss to 5 seed William & Mary because they went for 2 and the win. They have a 3 point loss to New Hampshire who is in the top 20 and the playoffs. If UM got points for 3 close losses to good teams, then why doesn't URI? Chattanooga has a win over ranked Mercer, and 1 bad loss. Also 7-3 vs the FCS. The only thing UM had on both was a better SOS. Which doesnt mean jack when you can't win against any good teams. Based off resume. Both should have been in over UM. Would UM beat both? Probably, but that's not part of the criteria for the selection commitee.

[91catAlum]

The most frustrating part is the inconsistency of the selection committee.

Most years, it seems like quality wins are weighted heavily. Years like this one, it's more about quality losses I guess, with ndsu getting seeded over MSU and um getting in.
Also Weber hosting UND despite UND outbidding Weber. First time I've ever seen the committee not grant the home game to the higher bid.

Sam Herder's latest podcast touches on all this.

https://herosports.com/fcs-podcast-2022 ... ions-bzbz/

[mule]

It is costing the bears ~200K to host that game or more. I know there is a way to find out for sure and there is a formula they use they use to come up with a number they have to have, or greater to win the bid. It is costing them a mint $$$$$$$$$ to host and have a boughten playoff spot.

Sioux in IMO got screwed big time and seems to be some favoritism or under the table dealings how they choice and pick.

[CatsNoMatterWhat]

The most frustrating part is the inconsistency of the selection committee.

Most years, it seems like quality wins are weighted heavily. Years like this one, it's more about quality losses I guess, with ndsu getting seeded over MSU and um getting in.
Also Weber hosting UND despite UND outbidding Weber. First time I've ever seen the committee not grant the home game to the higher bid.

Sam Herder's latest podcast touches on all this.

https://herosports.com/fcs-podcast-2022 ... ions-bzbz/

It's been said before but it feels to me that the committee threw out a lot of statistics this time around and put together a bracket they thought would be "exciting".

NDSU got seeded ahead of us to prevent two conference matchups in the semis, pure and simple. I frankly get it.

They put the Griz in because of $$$...but also because, frankly, they thought the Griz could make more of a run than some of the other teams that got left out.

For some reason they felt like the UND/Weber game would be more exciting if played in Ogdon; perhaps they just wanted an outdoor game.

It all feels extremely arbitrary this year. The committee just said "let's put together the playoff WE want". Not how it should be...but that seems to be how it shook out.

[CelticCat]

This Twitter thread is a fun read. #1, first time Griz reporter asking "do people normally care this much about getting the bracket "right"?". Yes Lucas, there is complaining and discussion every year, welcome to the FCS.

But the responses are hilarious, all Griz fans thinking it's only because everyone hates UM. Just because this is the first time Montana is one of those teams being questioned "oh everybody just hates us!".

https://twitter.com/Lucas_Semb/status/1 ... vVDydWxgow

[coloradocat]

This Twitter thread is a fun read. #1, first time Griz reporter asking "do people normally care this much about getting the bracket "right"?". Yes Lucas, there is complaining and discussion every year, welcome to the FCS.

But the responses are hilarious, all Griz fans thinking it's only because everyone hates UM. Just because this is the first time Montana is one of those teams being questioned "oh everybody just hates us!".

https://twitter.com/Lucas_Semb/status/1 ... vVDydWxgow

He's become a local hack in record time. Of course people don't like it when a team that doesn't deserve to get in only makes it because they have money. More people will complain when it's the griz but that's what happens when their coaches and fan base act like they are in the elite of the FCS when they haven't done anything special for over a decade.

[CelticCat]

This Twitter thread is a fun read. #1, first time Griz reporter asking "do people normally care this much about getting the bracket "right"?". Yes Lucas, there is complaining and discussion every year, welcome to the FCS.

But the responses are hilarious, all Griz fans thinking it's only because everyone hates UM. Just because this is the first time Montana is one of those teams being questioned "oh everybody just hates us!".

https://twitter.com/Lucas_Semb/status/1 ... vVDydWxgow

He's become a local hack in record time. Of course people don't like it when a team that doesn't deserve to get in only makes it because they have money. More people will complain when it's the griz but that's what happens when their coaches and fan base act like they are in the elite of the FCS when they haven't done anything special for over a decade.

Exactly. Maybe the complains are amplified because they are the Griz but they don't exist solely because they are the Griz.

[Lord Vigo]

If UM beats up on SEMO and then loses in the Fargo Dome, Bobby can sell "our QB got hurt-- it was a fluke; my system works" and they can just keep running it back. That is what we want. Embrace it.

[onceacat]

If UM beats up on SEMO and then loses in the Fargo Dome, Bobby can sell "our QB got hurt-- it was a fluke; my system works" and they can just keep running it back. That is what we want. Embrace it.

Bobby Hauck is the Rob Ash of Grizzly football.

Discuss.

[AFCAT]

Here was the live look at the selection committee when they were making their gris selection.

[onceacat]

The most frustrating part is the inconsistency of the selection committee.

Most years, it seems like quality wins are weighted heavily. Years like this one, it's more about quality losses I guess, with ndsu getting seeded over MSU and um getting in.
Also Weber hosting UND despite UND outbidding Weber. First time I've ever seen the committee not grant the home game to the higher bid.

Sam Herder's latest podcast touches on all this.

https://herosports.com/fcs-podcast-2022 ... ions-bzbz/

It's been said before but it feels to me that the committee threw out a lot of statistics this time around and put together a bracket they thought would be "exciting".

NDSU got seeded ahead of us to prevent two conference matchups in the semis, pure and simple. I frankly get it.

They put the Griz in because of $$$...but also because, frankly, they thought the Griz could make more of a run than some of the other teams that got left out.

For some reason they felt like the UND/Weber game would be more exciting if played in Ogdon; perhaps they just wanted an outdoor game.

It all feels extremely arbitrary this year. The committee just said "let's put together the playoff WE want". Not how it should be...but that seems to be how it shook out.

SLC skiing is opening early. Way better trip for ESPN & NCAA brass to fly into SLC & watch a game then shred Alta for the holiday weekend.

Or, maybe its cutting Weber a break for not being a seed...