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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by onceacat » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:44 pm

catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
I'll take the 7-4 bet at 1000 to 1.



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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by AlphaGriz1 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:55 pm

catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
Agreed but neither team deserves to be in there because we are horrible and the worst Griz team in my lifetime.

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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

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catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
Agreed but neither team deserves to be in there because we are horrible and the worst Griz team in my lifetime.

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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by Grizaddict » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:08 am

onceacat wrote:
iaafan wrote:
Hawks86 wrote:I don't think Coastal is playoff eligible. Has there ever been a BSC team make it into the playoffs with a .500 conf. record?
Nope.
If that is true, it opens up one more spot. It still doesn't go to Weber-it goes to UNH or Maine or Wofford.

Again, you seem fixated on conference records, which the committee doesn't even look at.
Been telling him that for days....doesn't believe me for some reason.



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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by Grizaddict » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:09 am

catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
Best spot on short and sweet summary I've seen.



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Post by 91catAlum » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:57 am

grizpack wrote:
AlphaGriz1 wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
Agreed but neither team deserves to be in there because we are horrible and the worst Griz team in my lifetime.

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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by Joe Bobcat » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:08 pm

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grizpack wrote:
AlphaGriz1 wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
Agreed but neither team deserves to be in there because we are horrible and the worst Griz team in my lifetime.

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He'd have to be 3 years old for that to be true.
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Post by AlphaGriz1 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:14 pm

I know you are but what am I.................


Call me whatever you want as long as you agree this is the worst Griz team in decades. Its so bad I am not going today and didnt even give my tickets away because I didnt want to abuse 2 people like that. Horrible


If the vaunted Ewu defense hel us to 16 points just think about what a Kramer defense will do to us? Maybe 13 if we are lucky. Teams bring their A game to play Montana and ALL defenses play like the 2001 Ravens.


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Post by RickRund » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:09 pm

So how does today's Weber loss affect their playoff chances? Big hammer dropped.


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Post by onceacat » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:00 am

RickRund wrote:So how does today's Weber loss affect their playoff chances? Big hammer dropped.
I'd guess that Weber is eliminated. Even with a win over Poly next week. Weber's schedule is just too weak to justify an invite at 7-4. Many other posters here might disagree with me.



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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by AlphaGriz1 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:35 am

onceacat wrote:
RickRund wrote:So how does today's Weber loss affect their playoff chances? Big hammer dropped.
I'd guess that Weber is eliminated. Even with a win over Poly next week. Weber's schedule is just too weak to justify an invite at 7-4. Many other posters here might disagree with me.
I dont, and when the Griz lose next week to Northern Colorado and end up with a 7-4 record, there is noway the playoff committee picks Weber over UM when they unjustly put UM back in the playoff with a really really bad team that doesnt deserve to be there. Money over substance will prevail


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Post by iaafan » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:46 am

The UM, WSU, and CP three-way tie at 7-4 is still alive and kicking. All three would have 7 Division 1 wins.

To get to 7-4, WSU would need to beat CP this week and beat ISU. CP would have to lose to WSU and beat UNC. UM would have to lose to either UNC or MSU.

Head to head, CP would be 1-1, WSU would be 1-1 and UM would be 0-1. Edge to CP and WSU.

Quality wins would show CP with three (SDSU, San Diego and Montana), WSU with one (Cal Poly), UM with one (St. Francis). Edge to CP; UM and WSU even.

Strength of schedule will show CP with the strongest, then WSU and UM even. Edge to CP. UM/WSU even.

So Cal Poly would probably get in, but as you can see WSU and UM are very even. At 7-4 they're likely to be among the last teams in. If there's only one spot left and it comes down to one of those two teams the committee will have a tough choice and may look to common opponent. WSU would be 5-1 vs. common opponents, while UM would be 4-2.



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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by catatac » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:36 am

onceacat wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
I'll take the 7-4 bet at 1000 to 1.
I'm not betting because there is a slight chance UM would get in at 7-4, but that would absolutely be due to the $$ that UM can bring in for the NCAA. It would have nothing to do with the quality of the team. Losing four league games, and not having beaten one single good league team and still making the playoffs would be a travesty.


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Post by Silenoz » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:45 pm

catatac wrote:
onceacat wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
I'll take the 7-4 bet at 1000 to 1.
I'm not betting because there is a slight chance UM would get in at 7-4, but that would absolutely be due to the $$ that UM can bring in for the NCAA. It would have nothing to do with the quality of the team. Losing four league games, and not having beaten one single good league team and still making the playoffs would be a travesty.
Blame the expanded field. And its not like we'd be in over some 8-3 CAA/MVFC/Southern/Southland/Big Sky team. FCS is real muddled after the top ten right now.



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Post by LTown Cat » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:28 pm

Silenoz wrote:
catatac wrote:
onceacat wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
I'll take the 7-4 bet at 1000 to 1.
I'm not betting because there is a slight chance UM would get in at 7-4, but that would absolutely be due to the $$ that UM can bring in for the NCAA. It would have nothing to do with the quality of the team. Losing four league games, and not having beaten one single good league team and still making the playoffs would be a travesty.
Blame the expanded field. And its not like we'd be in over some 8-3 CAA/MVFC/Southern/Southland/Big Sky team. FCS is real muddled after the top ten right now.
That's exactly right. I agree with Catatac that UM shouldn't get in at 7-4 but the sad part is that if they do they can legitimately beat handidly over half the field, especially at home.



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Post by iaafan » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:52 pm

The first round is basically a joke. They put the Patriot, Pioneer, MEAC, NEC, and Colonial in there to create a first round. Five bogus games and three legit games. Yeah, one of them pulls off the occasional win, but it's usually against one another.

The NCAA divisions need a major overhaul. Big gaps between conferences in the FBS and FCS. There should be three levels of Division One football. The FCS should dump the five aforementioned leagues and pick up the bottom five from FBS. THAT would inject some life into the FCS and allow the FBS to quit having to bother with the pesky L5 teams.



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Post by onceacat » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:31 pm

iaafan wrote:The first round is basically a joke. They put the Patriot, Pioneer, MEAC, NEC, and Colonial in there to create a first round. Five bogus games and three legit games. Yeah, one of them pulls off the occasional win, but it's usually against one another.

The NCAA divisions need a major overhaul. Big gaps between conferences in the FBS and FCS. There should be three levels of Division One football. The FCS should dump the five aforementioned leagues and pick up the bottom five from FBS. THAT would inject some life into the FCS and allow the FBS to quit having to bother with the pesky L5 teams.
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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by catatac » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:48 pm

Silenoz wrote:
catatac wrote:
onceacat wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
I'll take the 7-4 bet at 1000 to 1.
I'm not betting because there is a slight chance UM would get in at 7-4, but that would absolutely be due to the $$ that UM can bring in for the NCAA. It would have nothing to do with the quality of the team. Losing four league games, and not having beaten one single good league team and still making the playoffs would be a travesty.
Blame the expanded field. And its not like we'd be in over some 8-3 CAA/MVFC/Southern/Southland/Big Sky team. FCS is real muddled after the top ten right now.
Again, losing half your league games and still making the playoffs in a relatively weak BSC would be stupid.


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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by Silenoz » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:08 pm

catatac wrote:
Silenoz wrote:
catatac wrote:
onceacat wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
I'll take the 7-4 bet at 1000 to 1.
I'm not betting because there is a slight chance UM would get in at 7-4, but that would absolutely be due to the $$ that UM can bring in for the NCAA. It would have nothing to do with the quality of the team. Losing four league games, and not having beaten one single good league team and still making the playoffs would be a travesty.
Blame the expanded field. And its not like we'd be in over some 8-3 CAA/MVFC/Southern/Southland/Big Sky team. FCS is real muddled after the top ten right now.
Again, losing half your league games and still making the playoffs in a relatively weak BSC would be stupid.
League win/loss < overall FCS win/loss. We're possibly in at 7-4 if the pool of at-large candidates is weak. Which is it looking like it will be.

What's the difference though? Is anyone at UM going to be super gung-ho over playing USD and then getting shipped back to Cheney to get our ass kicked again?



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Re: Griz in the Playoffs

Post by Grizaddict » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:40 pm

Silenoz wrote:
catatac wrote:
Silenoz wrote:
catatac wrote:
onceacat wrote:
catatac wrote:People are still arguing this? There is a 99.9% chance that an 8-3 Griz teams gets in, and there's a 99.9% chance that a 7-4 Griz team does not. End of discussion.
I'll take the 7-4 bet at 1000 to 1.
I'm not betting because there is a slight chance UM would get in at 7-4, but that would absolutely be due to the $$ that UM can bring in for the NCAA. It would have nothing to do with the quality of the team. Losing four league games, and not having beaten one single good league team and still making the playoffs would be a travesty.
Blame the expanded field. And its not like we'd be in over some 8-3 CAA/MVFC/Southern/Southland/Big Sky team. FCS is real muddled after the top ten right now.
Again, losing half your league games and still making the playoffs in a relatively weak BSC would be stupid.
League win/loss < overall FCS win/loss. We're possibly in at 7-4 if the pool of at-large candidates is weak. Which is it looking like it will be.

What's the difference though? Is anyone at UM going to be super gung-ho over playing USD and then getting shipped back to Cheney to get our ass kicked again?
I'll be shocked if we get in at 7-4, and will be first to admit that our strength of schedule, quality wins, and SRS wouldn't support it. 7-4 was enough in prior years as long as the resume followed. This year it just isn't there. 8-3 a lock, but 7-4 I'm afraid won't happen.



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