Ranking the BSC coaches

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Cal Poly - Tim Walsh
Eastern Wash. - Beau Baldwin
Idaho State - Mike Kramer
Montana - Bob Stitt
MSU - Jeff Choate
NAU - Jerome Souers
No. Colo. - Earnest Collins
No. Dakota - Bubba Schweigert
Portland St. - Bruce Barnum
Sac. St. - Jody Sears
So. Utah - Demario Warren
UC Davis - Ron Gould
WSU - Jay Hill

My top three are currently:
Baldwin
Schweigert
Hill

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How I see it (based partially on tenure and results, and my extremely uneducated opinion):

Eastern Wash. - Beau Baldwin
WSU - Jay Hill
So. Utah - Demario Warren
No. Dakota - Bubba Schweigert
Cal Poly - Tim Walsh
Montana - Bob Stitt
NAU - Jerome Souers
No. Colo. - Earnest Collins
Portland St. - Bruce Barnum
Sac. St. - Jody Sears
MSU - Jeff Choate
Idaho State - Mike Kramer
UC Davis - Ron Gould

This can be argued so many different ways.
Baldwin in the clear #1. Lots of success over long tenure. From there it is balancing tenure and success.
Jay Hill is trending up strong right now.
Demario Warren is doing a good job keeping a tough team rolling in Cedar City.
Schweigert is building something good.
Tim Walsh is continually good....but is so pigeonholed in the option system that works very well many times during the season, but tends to find its way out of the playoffs quickly.
Stitt took over a playoff team and seems to be remaining relatively flat since then. If they go on a deep run this year or next year he will trend up very quickly.
Souers has the market cornered on being consistently solid but never that good.
Collins has a better team going this year, but it has been a long time suffering a lot of losses - but is trending up right now.
Barnum looked like all was going to be great in PSU-land, but came waaay back to Earth this season.
Sears and Choate are in the same boat as they are rebuilding programs. Personally I think Choate will rise up this list very, very quickly but as of now there are no results to base anything higher on. Only put Sears ahead because of the win over MSU.
Kramer has simply not put together a good on-the-field product, although I give him credit for fixing APR issues there.
UC Davis just never seems to improve so I put Gould at the bottom.

[onceacat]

How I see it (based partially on tenure and results, and my extremely uneducated opinion):

Eastern Wash. - Beau Baldwin
WSU - Jay Hill
So. Utah - Demario Warren
No. Dakota - Bubba Schweigert
Cal Poly - Tim Walsh
Montana - Bob Stitt
NAU - Jerome Souers
No. Colo. - Earnest Collins
Portland St. - Bruce Barnum
Sac. St. - Jody Sears
MSU - Jeff Choate
Idaho State - Mike Kramer
UC Davis - Ron Gould

This can be argued so many different ways.
Baldwin in the clear #1. Lots of success over long tenure. From there it is balancing tenure and success.
Jay Hill is trending up strong right now.
Demario Warren is doing a good job keeping a tough team rolling in Cedar City.
Schweigert is building something good.
Tim Walsh is continually good....but is so pigeonholed in the option system that works very well many times during the season, but tends to find its way out of the playoffs quickly.
Stitt took over a playoff team and seems to be remaining relatively flat since then. If they go on a deep run this year or next year he will trend up very quickly.
Souers has the market cornered on being consistently solid but never that good.
Collins has a better team going this year, but it has been a long time suffering a lot of losses - but is trending up right now.
Barnum looked like all was going to be great in PSU-land, but came waaay back to Earth this season.
Sears and Choate are in the same boat as they are rebuilding programs. Personally I think Choate will rise up this list very, very quickly but as of now there are no results to base anything higher on. Only put Sears ahead because of the win over MSU.
Kramer has simply not put together a good on-the-field product, although I give him credit for fixing APR issues there.
UC Davis just never seems to improve so I put Gould at the bottom.

Hard to argue with any of that. Baldwin is #1, and it isn't even close. I might put Walsh at #2 for a consistent high level of success, last season notwithstanding. Hill, Schweigert, Barnum, Warren, Stitt, and now Choate have all between 1-3 years of head coach experience (I think). I'm not even sure how you would rank those guys. I think throwing darts is as accurate as anything. My inclination is to put those 5 in a tie, with the tiebreaker going in that order.

Sears has a history. 14-40 between Weber & Sac, only 1 winning season. Likewise, Kramer took over a dumpster fire and only has 1 decent year at ISU-In 19 years, he's only had 1 nationally competitive team (He's had more 2 win seasons than playoff appearances). Collins has never had a winning season. Likewise Robbie Gould has had 4 bad years at Davis.

Note: In the 5 way tie, every single coach will have a playoff appearance within his first 3 seasons with the team; 3 of them went to the playoffs in their first season. Choate gets in this group because of his pedigree, and because he is so damn likable, not because of anything he has done on the field.

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As much as it pains me to say:
Baldwin (I sure hope he gets an FBS head job soon!)






Everybody else

[John K]

How I see it (based partially on tenure and results, and my extremely uneducated opinion):

Eastern Wash. - Beau Baldwin
WSU - Jay Hill
So. Utah - Demario Warren
No. Dakota - Bubba Schweigert
Cal Poly - Tim Walsh
Montana - Bob Stitt
NAU - Jerome Souers
No. Colo. - Earnest Collins
Portland St. - Bruce Barnum
Sac. St. - Jody Sears
MSU - Jeff Choate
Idaho State - Mike Kramer
UC Davis - Ron Gould

This can be argued so many different ways.
Baldwin in the clear #1. Lots of success over long tenure. From there it is balancing tenure and success.
Jay Hill is trending up strong right now.
Demario Warren is doing a good job keeping a tough team rolling in Cedar City.
Schweigert is building something good.
Tim Walsh is continually good....but is so pigeonholed in the option system that works very well many times during the season, but tends to find its way out of the playoffs quickly.
Stitt took over a playoff team and seems to be remaining relatively flat since then. If they go on a deep run this year or next year he will trend up very quickly.
Souers has the market cornered on being consistently solid but never that good.
Collins has a better team going this year, but it has been a long time suffering a lot of losses - but is trending up right now.
Barnum looked like all was going to be great in PSU-land, but came waaay back to Earth this season.
Sears and Choate are in the same boat as they are rebuilding programs. Personally I think Choate will rise up this list very, very quickly but as of now there are no results to base anything higher on. Only put Sears ahead because of the win over MSU.
Kramer has simply not put together a good on-the-field product, although I give him credit for fixing APR issues there.
UC Davis just never seems to improve so I put Gould at the bottom.

Hard to argue with any of that. Baldwin is #1, and it isn't even close. I might put Walsh at #2 for a consistent high level of success, last season notwithstanding. Hill, Schweigert, Barnum, Warren, Stitt, and now Choate have all between 1-3 years of head coach experience (I think). I'm not even sure how you would rank those guys. I think throwing darts is as accurate as anything. My inclination is to put those 5 in a tie, with the tiebreaker going in that order.

Sears has a history. 14-40 between Weber & Sac, only 1 winning season. Likewise, Kramer took over a dumpster fire and only has 1 decent year at ISU-In 19 years, he's only had 1 nationally competitive team (He's had more 2 win seasons than playoff appearances). Collins has never had a winning season. Likewise Robbie Gould has had 4 bad years at Davis.

Note: In the 5 way tie, every single coach will have a playoff appearance within his first 3 seasons with the team; 3 of them went to the playoffs in their first season. Choate gets in this group because of his pedigree, and because he is so damn likable, not because of anything he has done on the field.

I think you'd have to say that Kramer has had at least 2 nationally competitive teams. His 1997 EWU team went to the national semis, and his 2006 MSU team made it to the quarters. I would consider making the QF being nationally competitive.

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How I see it (based partially on tenure and results, and my extremely uneducated opinion):

Eastern Wash. - Beau Baldwin
WSU - Jay Hill
So. Utah - Demario Warren
No. Dakota - Bubba Schweigert
Cal Poly - Tim Walsh
Montana - Bob Stitt
NAU - Jerome Souers
No. Colo. - Earnest Collins
Portland St. - Bruce Barnum
Sac. St. - Jody Sears
MSU - Jeff Choate
Idaho State - Mike Kramer
UC Davis - Ron Gould

This can be argued so many different ways.
Baldwin in the clear #1. Lots of success over long tenure. From there it is balancing tenure and success.
Jay Hill is trending up strong right now.
Demario Warren is doing a good job keeping a tough team rolling in Cedar City.
Schweigert is building something good.
Tim Walsh is continually good....but is so pigeonholed in the option system that works very well many times during the season, but tends to find its way out of the playoffs quickly.
Stitt took over a playoff team and seems to be remaining relatively flat since then. If they go on a deep run this year or next year he will trend up very quickly.
Souers has the market cornered on being consistently solid but never that good.
Collins has a better team going this year, but it has been a long time suffering a lot of losses - but is trending up right now.
Barnum looked like all was going to be great in PSU-land, but came waaay back to Earth this season.
Sears and Choate are in the same boat as they are rebuilding programs. Personally I think Choate will rise up this list very, very quickly but as of now there are no results to base anything higher on. Only put Sears ahead because of the win over MSU.
Kramer has simply not put together a good on-the-field product, although I give him credit for fixing APR issues there.
UC Davis just never seems to improve so I put Gould at the bottom.

Hard to argue with any of that. Baldwin is #1, and it isn't even close. I might put Walsh at #2 for a consistent high level of success, last season notwithstanding. Hill, Schweigert, Barnum, Warren, Stitt, and now Choate have all between 1-3 years of head coach experience (I think). I'm not even sure how you would rank those guys. I think throwing darts is as accurate as anything. My inclination is to put those 5 in a tie, with the tiebreaker going in that order.

Sears has a history. 14-40 between Weber & Sac, only 1 winning season. Likewise, Kramer took over a dumpster fire and only has 1 decent year at ISU-In 19 years, he's only had 1 nationally competitive team (He's had more 2 win seasons than playoff appearances). Collins has never had a winning season. Likewise Robbie Gould has had 4 bad years at Davis.

Note: In the 5 way tie, every single coach will have a playoff appearance within his first 3 seasons with the team; 3 of them went to the playoffs in their first season. Choate gets in this group because of his pedigree, and because he is so damn likable, not because of anything he has done on the field.

I think you'd have to say that Kramer has had at least 2 nationally competitive teams. His 1997 EWU team went to the national semis, and his 2006 MSU team made it to the quarters. I would consider making the QF being nationally competitive.

OK. Even if you consider Kramer's 4 playoff appearances, he's still had 5 seasons with 2 or fewer wins, and another 2 with 3 wins. He's got a 95-122 record. So I think my point is still reasonable. I like Kramer, and thought MSU treated him horribly but I think we got a far better coach in Rob Ash. And I hope that we improve on Ash with Choate.