ISU and Coach Kramer

[Mr Lisle]

Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff.

He inherited a team that went 0-11 in his first season as coach. I'll give Kramer credit in that he had just as much a roster rebuild project as Hysell had when Cliff took over.

I don't agree. Kramer found a way to dump several returning starting seniors and brought in quarterback Faarad Azimi to rebuild the program. He basically created his own first season mess.

[kwcat]

I used our road trip down there to update the Holt Arena page at Stadiumjourney.com, including lots of pictures: http://www.stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/holt-arena-s1413 I'm not sure if their dome helps them or hurts them...but I'm thinking it hurts. It's too bad-the Holt Arena location would really be quite nice for an outdoor stadium.

I'm currently working on a new page for the Metra-stay tuned.

You should be there when they have a full house and hand out noise-makers. It's comical to listen to the announcer have to tell the Bengal fans every 5 minutes that the noise-makers are only for when their team is on defense. It's fitting that the team plays in a giant potato cellar - the whole crowd is about as smart as a bag of spuds.

A truer statement has never been uttered. I could believe when the announcer was coaching the fans before the game... that's a tradition to be proud of!!!

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You obviously were not in the stands when Cliff Hysell started. A lot of our fans needed coaching.

Our students section needed coaching most of the time this year! You would think the cheer staff could figure that out and give them some cues!

[PapaG]

You obviously were not in the stands when Cliff Hysell started. A lot of our fans needed coaching.

I was at the game in a half-filled stadium and even less in the student section when the Bobcats beat #1 Idaho and Doug Nussmeier whatever year that happened.

About 40 fans stormed the field and took down the goalposts in the West end zone. I wasn't one of them, but I stood there watching it and sadly that is the best moment watching a game while I was at MSU. No playoffs that season, of course.

[PapaG]

Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff.

He inherited a team that went 0-11 in his first season as coach. I'll give Kramer credit in that he had just as much a roster rebuild project as Hysell had when Cliff took over.

I don't agree. Kramer found a way to dump several returning starting seniors and brought in quarterback Faarad Azimi to rebuild the program. He basically created his own first season mess.

I don't remember it that way. Azimi was a senior that year, so that's not a rebuild anyhow. Was Dusty Broderick going to do any better before he transferred?

Kramer mined gold with Travis Lulay. Thank goodness for that recruiting coup.

[Mr Lisle]

Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff.

He inherited a team that went 0-11 in his first season as coach. I'll give Kramer credit in that he had just as much a roster rebuild project as Hysell had when Cliff took over.

I don't agree. Kramer found a way to dump several returning starting seniors and brought in quarterback Faarad Azimi to rebuild the program. He basically created his own first season mess.

Oh, and as usual I missed my main point. When coach Kramer took over the MSU program in 2000 he, the BIG HUMAN, decided it was time to be an offensive coordinator and he wasn't much good at it. Cliff's last team scored 269 points. Kramers first team scored less than half that. They put up a total of 42 points in the first four games and started the season with a rousing loss to Humbolt State. None of that was on Cliff.

[John K]

Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff.

He inherited a team that went 0-11 in his first season as coach. I'll give Kramer credit in that he had just as much a roster rebuild project as Hysell had when Cliff took over.

Cliff's last team went 1-7/3-8, so that would lead me to believe that Kramer didn't inherit "a ton of talent". Although Cliff's final recruiting class was very strong, along with Kramer's first class. By the end of Kramer's first season, about half our starting lineup was made up of redshirt and true freshmen from those two classes. Those players made up the core of the teams that went on to beat the Griz, make the playoffs, and win the BSC title in 2002 and 2003.

[AlphaGriz1]

Start judging Kramer this season and next.

ISU was a sh*tshow before he got there at least now they compete and if he nails down a QB they will not be the guaranteed win in the BSC like they have been. He finally has his system and players contributing and I bet next season looks alot different for the Bengals.

[SkyRider]

The QB, Michael Sanders, is transferring. You can check an ISU fan page on Facebook where wide receiver Madison Mangum came out and defended the QB and didn't speak highly of Kramer's coaching style.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/470043753174847/

Madison Mangum I'd like to chime in here and defend Michael, and perhaps bring to light the issue that those outside of the team do not see. As one with first hand experience and as an eye witness to the situation, I don't blame Michael for making the choice to transfer. In voicing my opinion, I don't wish to bad mouth Coach Kramer, but only to present what I saw and heard on a daily basis. Michael (and Tanner for that matter) was belittled, bullied, cussed at, and screamed at on almost a daily basis. The words of disdain, anger, and rage from Coach Kramer's mouth were appalling and many teammates (I'm not alone) and I oftentimes felt sad for Michael and what he had to deal with. It is actually impressive that Michael did not lose his confidence sooner than he did. No offense meant to my man Justin Arias, but Justin did not experience even near the same level of wrath and disrespect from Coach Kramer as Michael did. I'm all for being mentally tough and overcoming adversity, but this was a whole new level that I'd never seen before, and AGAIN I do not blame Michael whatsoever for making the choice to get out of here and to enjoy his senior season.

[KittieKop]

The QB, Michael Sanders, is transferring. You can check an ISU fan page on Facebook where wide receiver Madison Mangum came out and defended the QB and didn't speak highly of Kramer's coaching style.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/470043753174847/

Madison Mangum I'd like to chime in here and defend Michael, and perhaps bring to light the issue that those outside of the team do not see. As one with first hand experience and as an eye witness to the situation, I don't blame Michael for making the choice to transfer. In voicing my opinion, I don't wish to bad mouth Coach Kramer, but only to present what I saw and heard on a daily basis. Michael (and Tanner for that matter) was belittled, bullied, cussed at, and screamed at on almost a daily basis. The words of disdain, anger, and rage from Coach Kramer's mouth were appalling and many teammates (I'm not alone) and I oftentimes felt sad for Michael and what he had to deal with. It is actually impressive that Michael did not lose his confidence sooner than he did. No offense meant to my man Justin Arias, but Justin did not experience even near the same level of wrath and disrespect from Coach Kramer as Michael did. I'm all for being mentally tough and overcoming adversity, but this was a whole new level that I'd never seen before, and AGAIN I do not blame Michael whatsoever for making the choice to get out of here and to enjoy his senior season.

Wow, Mangum burning any bridges there you think?

[MSUcantouchus]

Kramer often acts like a spoiled child.

[The Butcher]

Kramer inherited a ton of talent from Cliff.

He inherited a team that went 0-11 in his first season as coach. I'll give Kramer credit in that he had just as much a roster rebuild project as Hysell had when Cliff took over.

I don't agree. Kramer found a way to dump several returning starting seniors and brought in quarterback Faarad Azimi to rebuild the program. He basically created his own first season mess.

I don't remember it that way. Azimi was a senior that year, so that's not a rebuild anyhow. Was Dusty Broderick going to do any better before he transferred?

Kramer mined gold with Travis Lulay. Thank goodness for that recruiting coup.

Azimi was a junior. After the 2000 season Kramer moved him to safety. Next he brought in Tyler Thomas (lost out to Lulay as a true freshman)... One of the most absorb cuts Kramer made was all conference LB Joe Baker... Senior team captain that was a Hysell recruit- not on Kramer's team! The start of the 2000 season there were more new faces than old. If I recall, there were about 40 guys from the previous season at camp and over 50 new guys. So it is complete b*** s*** to pin the 0-11 season on Hysell when the majority of the new guys were Kramer's recruits.

Kramer's recruiting was a mess. If you recall, on "Senior Day" he would boast 3 to 5 seniors because the rest were cut, dismissed or some other reason. So he created the APR mess... What year was it when there was only ONE senior?

[Cataholic]

The QB, Michael Sanders, is transferring. You can check an ISU fan page on Facebook where wide receiver Madison Mangum came out and defended the QB and didn't speak highly of Kramer's coaching style.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/470043753174847/

Madison Mangum I'd like to chime in here and defend Michael, and perhaps bring to light the issue that those outside of the team do not see. As one with first hand experience and as an eye witness to the situation, I don't blame Michael for making the choice to transfer. In voicing my opinion, I don't wish to bad mouth Coach Kramer, but only to present what I saw and heard on a daily basis. Michael (and Tanner for that matter) was belittled, bullied, cussed at, and screamed at on almost a daily basis. The words of disdain, anger, and rage from Coach Kramer's mouth were appalling and many teammates (I'm not alone) and I oftentimes felt sad for Michael and what he had to deal with. It is actually impressive that Michael did not lose his confidence sooner than he did. No offense meant to my man Justin Arias, but Justin did not experience even near the same level of wrath and disrespect from Coach Kramer as Michael did. I'm all for being mentally tough and overcoming adversity, but this was a whole new level that I'd never seen before, and AGAIN I do not blame Michael whatsoever for making the choice to get out of here and to enjoy his senior season.

Wow. This Mangum kid should get a pat on the back. It took some guys to speak out. I hope he is a senior or I can see Kramer driving him out of the program.

[Mr Lisle]

The QB, Michael Sanders, is transferring. You can check an ISU fan page on Facebook where wide receiver Madison Mangum came out and defended the QB and didn't speak highly of Kramer's coaching style.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/470043753174847/

Madison Mangum I'd like to chime in here and defend Michael, and perhaps bring to light the issue that those outside of the team do not see. As one with first hand experience and as an eye witness to the situation, I don't blame Michael for making the choice to transfer. In voicing my opinion, I don't wish to bad mouth Coach Kramer, but only to present what I saw and heard on a daily basis. Michael (and Tanner for that matter) was belittled, bullied, cussed at, and screamed at on almost a daily basis. The words of disdain, anger, and rage from Coach Kramer's mouth were appalling and many teammates (I'm not alone) and I oftentimes felt sad for Michael and what he had to deal with. It is actually impressive that Michael did not lose his confidence sooner than he did. No offense meant to my man Justin Arias, but Justin did not experience even near the same level of wrath and disrespect from Coach Kramer as Michael did. I'm all for being mentally tough and overcoming adversity, but this was a whole new level that I'd never seen before, and AGAIN I do not blame Michael whatsoever for making the choice to get out of here and to enjoy his senior season.

Wow. This Mangum kid should get a pat on the back. It took some guys to speak out. I hope he is a senior or I can see Kramer driving him out of the program.

In 2015 Madison Mangum was a second team all BSC receiver. He was a first teamer in 2014. Caught two TD's vs. the Bobcats that year. He is finished...a redshirt senior in 2015. He certainly has earned standing when it comes to his opinion.