3 Griz Arrested

[[cat_bracket]]

Really disappointed at many of these comments. Many of you guys really do hate the Griz, don't you?

There it is. The hate the grizz card.

If I really hated the grizz I'd say drop all the charges knowing full well that doing so would lead to more problems. You guys are so wrapped in winning you can't see the forest through the trees.

But there's still hope. Haslam and Stitt and Engstrom haven't weighed in yet. If it's just one game, and the ISU game at that, we'll know nothing has changed.

[luckyirishguy25]

Really a shame. Seems bizarre to me because I've walked through construction sites with my family looking at the floorplans. Maybe it was the beer the kids took that upset the owners? Personally, I'm glad nothing more came out of it. Must have been a few six packs of Copper Johns Ale from Belgrade instead of that other horse pizz brewed in missoula. (And if you're going to suggest it was Cold Smoke Bridger Bowl Ale, nope, don't think so. Even a griz football player would understand that's a plagerized from MSU...and don't make fun about plagerism given one of their graduates who became a senator...)...

Really, you've walked thru "construction sites" with your family in the dark by climbing a ladder and entering thru a window at 3am? I doubt that.

As for GA's post of excuses... For who stole the beer, of COURSE the non-football player was the one who stole it... I imagine I'd take the rap for my scholarshipped friends as well. There's no way to know who stole it for certain. And I don't doubt that they didn't know the house was occupied - this has nothing to do with itr, burglars and trespassers alike generally prefer unoccupied places.

Having said that, i do think misdemeanor trespass is the correct charge from what I know.

But has there ever in history been a prosecutor who worked harder for defendants than Kirsten Pabst?? Wow! If I'm ever charged with felony burglary in a similar incident, can I expect the DA to delay my arraignment twice while she investigates the charges, and within a few days, reduce my charges to misdemeanor trespass? HELL no. If the cops charged me with a felony, I'd have to lawyer up, plead not guilty to buy time, then my lawyer would have to negotiate the charges down or work out a plea bargain over several weeks at least. But I don't play football in Missoula...
With a prosecutor like Kirsten Pabst, who needs defense lawyers (if you're a griz football player, anyway).

I nominate this for Most Spot-On Post in board history.

Thanks! It's an honor just to be nominated.

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Ummmmm only it wasn't Pabst. It was the deputy county attorney:

"The four attorneys asked for a deferred imposition of sentence, but Deputy County Attorney Jason Marks asked for a significantly harsher penalty, requesting that Acting Justice of the Peace Shane Vannatta impose a six-month suspended sentence on the football players, and stipulated several conditions, including listening to the 9-1-1 call the family made to report the intrusion."

It's amazing what kind of information you can find when you actually read the article

You're really working overtime to spin this. Pabst said they needed more investivation, not Marks. She assigned one of deputies to the case, which is standard. He lowered the charges with her blessing or at her command. No one made a case that they also be charged with aiding and abetting theft.

Pabst is corrupt. Pabst is a diehard Grizoner fan. Season ticket holder. There's a bit of conflict of interest here.

You just need to come back and play your last card, which is call me/us Grizoner haters. But either way um loses on this. The lighter the penalties against the players the more people think um is bush league school that rates sports over academics. The more it does that the more quality students go somewhere else for their education. So keep not punishing anyone and MSU will keep taking those turned off by the apparent top goal of um, which is seems to be sports.

I'm sorry if you feel that I'm trying to spin any of this. That's definitely not my intent as I've just been listing all the facts. Please go back through my posts and you'll see that all of it is factual information.

Based on what you're saying, Pabst is corrupt and is favoring the Griz here. Sorry but I can't buy that. That means you feel given all of the information and facts available in this case, that she should have proceeded with the original felony burglary charge? Because her office drops the charges that makes her corrupt? I'd argue that makes her smart because she saw that there was definitely no case or grounds for such a high penalty. You also stated that these kids were not punished. Do you feel that they truly were not punished in any of this? I think they were overly-punished when you look at the initial police response, initial state headlines, and initial charges. Couple all that with suspension from all football activities and possible game/games/season suspension and it gets even worse. What would you have liked to see for punishment? More than all that? Would you still feel that way if these kids' names were Prukop, Griebel, and Flynn? I'm guessing not so much.

Yes the felony charge was incorrect, but to let the theft charge slide (they were there and there's no testimony that they didn't tell Tomlinson not to do it, they wanted some free beer too, Tomlinson wasn't going to drink it all) is not holding them responsible. I would Prukop and any Cat player charged and disciplined appropriately as I feel that's the best way to uphold MSU's standards and prevent future issues.

The um officials need to address the theft and beer consumption along with the trespassing or I'll feel it hasn't been dealt with properly. If they use the lost bail money as an excuse or replacement for lost playing time it will send a poor message.

I don't really agree with this, I get what your saying, but I think of it like a car of people being pulled over and they found some weed in the car... 1 person confesses and they're the only one charged. Why should it be any different for these kids? just because they're football players? I suppose you could make that argument, but I don't think everyone would agree about it.

[Grizlaw]

But there's still hope. Haslam and Stitt and Engstrom haven't weighed in yet. If it's just one game, and the ISU game at that, we'll know nothing has changed.

Knowing the circumstances of what happened, what do you think an appropriate punishment would be?

[luckyirishguy25]

But there's still hope. Haslam and Stitt and Engstrom haven't weighed in yet. If it's just one game, and the ISU game at that, we'll know nothing has changed.

Knowing the circumstances of what happened, what do you think an appropriate punishment would be?

I'm not sure bracket will be happy until the griz football team is disbanded.

[91catAlum]

But there's still hope. Haslam and Stitt and Engstrom haven't weighed in yet. If it's just one game, and the ISU game at that, we'll know nothing has changed.

Knowing the circumstances of what happened, what do you think an appropriate punishment would be?

I know your not addressing me, but I think a 1 game suspension is appropriate and fair.
What do you think is fair?

[Grizaddict]

But there's still hope. Haslam and Stitt and Engstrom haven't weighed in yet. If it's just one game, and the ISU game at that, we'll know nothing has changed.

Knowing the circumstances of what happened, what do you think an appropriate punishment would be?

I'm not sure bracket will be happy until the griz football team is disbanded.

Spot on. Bracket you just admitted a one game suspension is soft and will prove to you that nothing has changed. Stitt already suspended Gamboa for his biggest game ever against NDSU for starting a fight. That already shows me Stitt holds people accountable. Most programs wouldn't suspend a kid for starting a fight, let alone selling drugs to undercover cops (Illinois st and Copprich).

Then try this on for size. Your Bobcats basketball team RECENTLY suspended a new recruit for one game (out of 35) for getting caught red-handed and shoplifting at Town and Country. 1 game out of 35 (2%). If these kids get suspended a game that will be 1 game out of 11 (9%). You would argue the Cats punishment was fair but the Griz punishment was not? Not to mention the media frenzy that was blown way out of proportion for the Griz players in all of this. Funny how 90%.of folks never heard about the Cats player who got in trouble. 1 game is more than fair. If you don't feel so then you must be EXTREMELY disappointed in the Cats player suspension, correct.

[catatac]

I still don't know all the facts that have been released here, but somebody commented that the 911 call from the homeowner sounded pretty serious in terms of him being scared for his family? Also, they did steal beer which I suppose isn't the crime of the century, but it's not jaywalking either. Lastly, when the home owner said he heard them discussing stealing something was that all regarding the beer or were they considering stealing something else from the job site? Answers to all those questions would give me enough to state my opinion on what a fair punishment would be. Once again, right or wrong these players are under a microscope and ARE held to a higher standard. It's not that hard to not get arrested.

[Grizlaw]

I know your not addressing me, but I think a 1 game suspension is appropriate and fair.
What do you think is fair?

I agree - one game. If additional "bad" facts come to light, then I might reconsider, but based on what we know, I think a one-game suspension is fair.

[PapaG]

But there's still hope. Haslam and Stitt and Engstrom haven't weighed in yet. If it's just one game, and the ISU game at that, we'll know nothing has changed.

Knowing the circumstances of what happened, what do you think an appropriate punishment would be?

I think it's a bit odd that after getting clobbered in Portland, these supposed team leaders decided the best thing to do was be walking around drunk at 2:30am Sunday.

That would be the bigger concern for me, considering the national embarrassment the UM program has been in recent years in terms of disciplining players and having boosters have much more control than any other FCS program I can think of in the country. Then again, nothing I've seen from UM over the past 5 years would surprise me, and without considering that history, one game probably is the most appropriate punishment.

[TomCat88]

If I was Haslam, assuming he was brought in to change the culture, they'd all be gone. A one-game suspension is basically saying that you can drink, trespass, scare the crap out of people and steal and only miss one game. I doubt that sends a very strong message to these guys. I know Pioneer League managers that have dumped players back down to the instructional league for not running out ground balls. I just think he's the kind of guy that doesn't put winning above everything. He did take Stitt over Bobby Hauck, so I don't think he's going to go Jim O'Day on this.

If it was my kid I'd tell the coach to give him a chance to leave the team on his own terms and if he didn't I'd tell the coach to kick him off.

[bigkid]

If I was Haslam, assuming he was brought in to change the culture, they'd all be gone. A one-game suspension is basically saying that you can drink, trespass, scare the crap out of people and steal and only miss one game. I doubt that sends a very strong message to these guys. I know Pioneer League managers that have dumped players back down to the instructional league for not running out ground balls. I just think he's the kind of guy that doesn't put winning above everything. He did take Stitt over Bobby Hauck, so I don't think he's going to go Jim O'Day on this.

If it was my kid I'd tell the coach to give him a chance to leave the team on his own terms and if he didn't I'd tell the coach to kick him off.

Why don't you research the integrity of these kids before spewing your ignorance. That's right ignorance! KVA is a great kid who made a error in judgement and you take the ignorant approach and take the holier than tho approach. Your a true moron.

[LongTimeCatFan]

If I was Haslam, assuming he was brought in to change the culture, they'd all be gone. A one-game suspension is basically saying that you can drink, trespass, scare the crap out of people and steal and only miss one game. I doubt that sends a very strong message to these guys. I know Pioneer League managers that have dumped players back down to the instructional league for not running out ground balls. I just think he's the kind of guy that doesn't put winning above everything. He did take Stitt over Bobby Hauck, so I don't think he's going to go Jim O'Day on this.

If it was my kid I'd tell the coach to give him a chance to leave the team on his own terms and if he didn't I'd tell the coach to kick him off.

Why don't you research the integrity of these kids before spewing your ignorance. That's right ignorance! KVA is a great kid who made a error in judgement and you take the ignorant approach and take the holier than tho approach. Your a true moron.

Word to the wise...

If YOU'RE going to call someone a moron, ya probably shouldn't use the wrong "your".

[bigkid]

If I was Haslam, assuming he was brought in to change the culture, they'd all be gone. A one-game suspension is basically saying that you can drink, trespass, scare the crap out of people and steal and only miss one game. I doubt that sends a very strong message to these guys. I know Pioneer League managers that have dumped players back down to the instructional league for not running out ground balls. I just think he's the kind of guy that doesn't put winning above everything. He did take Stitt over Bobby Hauck, so I don't think he's going to go Jim O'Day on this.

If it was my kid I'd tell the coach to give him a chance to leave the team on his own terms and if he didn't I'd tell the coach to kick him off.

Why don't you research the integrity of these kids before spewing your ignorance. That's right ignorance! KVA is a great kid who made a error in judgement and you take the ignorant approach and take the holier than tho approach. Your a true moron.

Word to the wise...

If YOU'RE going to call someone a moron, ya probably shouldn't use the wrong "your".

go argue with 75 on EGRIZ where semantics and grammar make you feel good about yourself.

[LongTimeCatFan]

If I was Haslam, assuming he was brought in to change the culture, they'd all be gone. A one-game suspension is basically saying that you can drink, trespass, scare the crap out of people and steal and only miss one game. I doubt that sends a very strong message to these guys. I know Pioneer League managers that have dumped players back down to the instructional league for not running out ground balls. I just think he's the kind of guy that doesn't put winning above everything. He did take Stitt over Bobby Hauck, so I don't think he's going to go Jim O'Day on this.

If it was my kid I'd tell the coach to give him a chance to leave the team on his own terms and if he didn't I'd tell the coach to kick him off.

Why don't you research the integrity of these kids before spewing your ignorance. That's right ignorance! KVA is a great kid who made a error in judgement and you take the ignorant approach and take the holier than tho approach. Your a true moron.

Word to the wise...

If YOU'RE going to call someone a moron, ya probably shouldn't use the wrong "your".

go argue with 75 on EGRIZ where semantics and grammar make you feel good about yourself.

That was fun schooling a former judge.

[Jobu]

Really disappointed at many of these comments. Many of you guys really do hate the Griz, don't you?

There it is. The hate the grizz card.

If I really hated the grizz I'd say drop all the charges knowing full well that doing so would lead to more problems. You guys are so wrapped in winning you can't see the forest through the trees.

But there's still hope. Haslam and Stitt and Engstrom haven't weighed in yet. If it's just one game, and the ISU game at that, we'll know nothing has changed.

Seriously, Bracket? Here's something I thought I'd NEVER say: CatGrad has the most sensible post in this thread.

We have a BB player who was caught ACTUALLY stealing from a store, and he was suspended for one game. One basketball game. 1/30th of a season. Are you really suggesting that these guys should sit out more than 1/11th of a FB season? And if so, please explain the rationale. And for once, please put aside the Cat/Griz bias. It really doesn't matter.

[Jobu]

One game is plenty. My guess since nothing has been announced yet is that UM gives them two games, and are back for our game. These guys were morons, no doubt; Still, one game is more than reasonable, and frankly, a tougher standard than MSU is imposing currently for similar incidents.

[Cat Grad]

For this silly crap neither school should take any action. I've seen people arrested for eating grapes in a Publix! As far as "stealing" beer? I doubt if this offense warrants anything either truth be known. Sounds like Barney Fife and the typical cop who now gets to wear a gun because all the jocks picked on him in high school getting back at the ones who picked on him.

[77matcat]

Word to the wise...

If YOU'RE going to call someone a moron, ya probably shouldn't use the wrong "your".

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[Hawks86]

Both involved theft. That is the end of the similarities .

[Sportin' Life]

For this silly crap neither school should take any action. I've seen people arrested for eating grapes in a Publix! As far as "stealing" beer? I doubt if this offense warrants anything either truth be known. Sounds like Barney Fife and the typical cop who now gets to wear a gun because all the jocks picked on him in high school getting back at the ones who picked on him.

Just curious, where do you live? I am running low on beer and would rather not pay for it, and since you don't think it is an issue to take other people's beer ....

Oh, I probably can't make it over until about 2 or 3 AM. I'll just let myself in and try to be quiet.