Selle to the Griz??

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:37 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:
longhorn_22 wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:Somebody help me out here - I have a hard time believing that we would have 5/6 quarterbacks on scholly: Carpenter, Coppack, Possibles (Swogger, Desin, Larson, Selle)
If we get Swogger, and with Desin is expected to play receiver or DB, we are looking at Carpenter, Coppack, Swogger, and Larson.
So is the possibility of getting Swogger making Selle lean toward UM?

I don't think Swogger had anything to do with it. I think Larson would be more of a factor than Swogger. But in my opinion, unless UM offered more money(which I don't think they did) those would be the only reasons he would go to UM.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:30 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:Somebody help me out here - I have a hard time believing that we would have 5/6 quarterbacks on scholly: Carpenter, Coppack, Possibles (Swogger, Desin, Larson, Selle)

Almost all QB's redshirt their first year (Lulay was the rare exception). So Swogger would have graduated and Carpenter and Coppack would both be Seniors before the new guys could see the field. Chances are whoever loses the starting QB or backup QB competition between Carpenter and Coppack would transfer out of the program. That is usually what happens.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:41 pm

gtapp wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:Somebody help me out here - I have a hard time believing that we would have 5/6 quarterbacks on scholly: Carpenter, Coppack, Possibles (Swogger, Desin, Larson, Selle)
Almost all QB's redshirt their first year (Lulay was the rare exception). So Swogger would have graduated and Carpenter and Coppack would both be Seniors before the new guys could see the field. Chances are whoever loses the starting QB or backup QB competition between Carpenter and Coppack would transfer out of the program. That is usually what happens.

Yes...I understand the red-shirt part, I'm just not sure that a 1-aa program would have 5 or 6 full scholarships to devote in any one year just to the QB position. Which is what would happen if the above scenario panned out.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:49 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:
gtapp wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:Somebody help me out here - I have a hard time believing that we would have 5/6 quarterbacks on scholly: Carpenter, Coppack, Possibles (Swogger, Desin, Larson, Selle)
Almost all QB's redshirt their first year (Lulay was the rare exception). So Swogger would have graduated and Carpenter and Coppack would both be Seniors before the new guys could see the field. Chances are whoever loses the starting QB or backup QB competition between Carpenter and Coppack would transfer out of the program. That is usually what happens.
Yes...I understand the red-shirt part, I'm just not sure that a 1-aa program would have 5 or 6 full scholarships to devote in any one year just to the QB position. Which is what would happen if the above scenario panned out.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.

You are definetly correct in that assumption! It may be possible that Kramer would do it for one year knowing that 1 and probably 2 would be free'd up the following year.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:56 pm

gtapp wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:
gtapp wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:Somebody help me out here - I have a hard time believing that we would have 5/6 quarterbacks on scholly: Carpenter, Coppack, Possibles (Swogger, Desin, Larson, Selle)
Almost all QB's redshirt their first year (Lulay was the rare exception). So Swogger would have graduated and Carpenter and Coppack would both be Seniors before the new guys could see the field. Chances are whoever loses the starting QB or backup QB competition between Carpenter and Coppack would transfer out of the program. That is usually what happens.
Yes...I understand the red-shirt part, I'm just not sure that a 1-aa program would have 5 or 6 full scholarships to devote in any one year just to the QB position. Which is what would happen if the above scenario panned out.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.
You are definetly correct in that assumption! It may be possible that Kramer would do it for one year knowing that 1 and probably 2 would be free'd up the following year.

Good point....that makes sense.

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:01 pm

Kramer may also be a little gun shy when it comes to the QB position. With all of the D-1 transfers, JC transfers and HS signee's only Travis has worked out for him(yes, the jury is still out on Carpenter and Coppack). He may be thinking he needs five to get one or two good ones.

After their second year a starting O-Lineman told me that neither Carpenter or Coppack were ready or capable of starting at that point. They have another year under their belt but Kramer may still be unsure of what he has in those two.

PDXKat · Post by **PDXKat** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:04 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:
gtapp wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:
gtapp wrote:
HelenaCat95 wrote:Somebody help me out here - I have a hard time believing that we would have 5/6 quarterbacks on scholly: Carpenter, Coppack, Possibles (Swogger, Desin, Larson, Selle)
Almost all QB's redshirt their first year (Lulay was the rare exception). So Swogger would have graduated and Carpenter and Coppack would both be Seniors before the new guys could see the field. Chances are whoever loses the starting QB or backup QB competition between Carpenter and Coppack would transfer out of the program. That is usually what happens.
Yes...I understand the red-shirt part, I'm just not sure that a 1-aa program would have 5 or 6 full scholarships to devote in any one year just to the QB position. Which is what would happen if the above scenario panned out.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.
You are definetly correct in that assumption! It may be possible that Kramer would do it for one year knowing that 1 and probably 2 would be free'd up the following year.
Good point....that makes sense.

When Lulay entered as a freshman, there were 5 scholarship qb's. TT, Knokey, Owens, Lulay, and Samualson. Knokey got hurt and his career ended, Samualson went to TE got hurt and never played again, and Owens transferred out after 3 years. Out of the 5 only 2 stayed to play their senior year. What starts out one way doesn't mean that it stays that way.

WeedKillinCat · Post by **WeedKillinCat** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:42 pm

Q2 is supposed to make an announcement in about 5-10 minutes..

mquast53000 · Post by **mquast53000** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:44 pm

I just spoke with a guy. Selle did verbal with the Griz.

We didn't want him anyway.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:48 pm

I think he did too. I just hope we get Larson now.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:53 pm

WeedKillinCat wrote:Q2 is supposed to make an announcement in about 5-10 minutes..

I'm in Bozeman so I can't watch Q2. Tell me what they say.

gfallscat · Post by **gfallscat** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:55 pm

it was just on the local news...selle is a griz

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:56 pm

gfallscat wrote:it was just on the local news...selle is a griz

Damn Sam

bobcatbob · Post by **bobcatbob** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:10 pm

We have a good shot at Larsen. I understand Kramer is having dinner with family this week. He has all the tools, size and he is really smart. Being smart why would he go to be a griz? This would be a better signing than Selle!

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:15 pm

bobcatbob wrote:We have a good shot at Larsen. I understand Kramer is having dinner with family this week. He has all the tools, size and he is really smart. Being smart why would he go to be a griz? This would be a better signing than Selle!

I don't understand why Selle would go to the friz. There are two freshman QB's and Hauck's status is in the air. Also the thing with his brother.

Anyway, anyone have Larson's size measurements? or stats?

WeedKillinCat · Post by **WeedKillinCat** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:23 pm

On the news tonight they talked about Hauk maybe heading to San Diego State and Selle said that had no influence on his decision..

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:29 pm

I think it boils down to something as simple as "perceived opportunity."

Just winging it here: Krames and Bailey could have easily said, "You'll redshirt, and then learn the system for 1-2 years before realistically having and opportunity to win the starting job."

Hauck and Phenecie could have easily said, "Obviously we need QB help, and there's no reason to not give you a chance to compete next fall or the following spring."

But, who knows...not me. Could have easily been an academic decision, too. UM offers some programs that The MSU does not, and not everyone wants to be an engineer, architect, accountant, programmer, physicist, chemist, etc., etc.....

Cat in SoDak · Post by **Cat in SoDak** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:31 pm

Grizcat wrote: Maybe whoever wins the Griz-Cat game doesn't necessarily mean you'll get the best recruiting class.

Because we lost one recruit??

Things aren't going to change overnight, my friend, and the Griz aren't going to fall off the face of the earth.

However, I would say winning 3 of 4 definitely makes us more competitive for kids like Desin, Selle and Larson than we were 5 years ago.

Remember, if MSU gets more than 2 in-state recruits, we've exceeded the expectations set by our good friends to the west.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:57 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:
I don't understand why Selle would go to the friz. There are two freshman QB's and Hauck's status is in the air. Also the thing with his brother.

Anyway, anyone have Larson's size measurements? or stats?

Really. Whats in the air with Hauck's status?

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:20 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
longhorn_22 wrote:
I don't understand why Selle would go to the friz. There are two freshman QB's and Hauck's status is in the air. Also the thing with his brother.

Anyway, anyone have Larson's size measurements? or stats?
Really. Whats in the air with Hauck's status?

I've just been reading talk of him leaving to San Diego St. and him not being back next year or the year after. I don't know how true this is.