Assists/Turnover rating

eagle43 · Post by **eagle43** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:16 pm

Before I start this, I would like to say that all of these stats are from before the Bobcats game against Wayland tonight.

We seem to have a lot of players that have a very bad assist to turnover rate, such as:
Jaron Jefferson: 2.3 A/3.3 TO=.70
Nick Dissley: 1 A/2.7 TO=.38
Marvin Moss: 3 A/3.3 TO=.90
Casey Durham: 1.7 A/1.7 T0=1(not as bad as the rest)
Ryan Holmes: 1.3 A/1.3 TO=1
Branden Miller: 2.3 A/2.0 TO=1.17
Al Beye: 1.7 A/1.0 TO=1.67

These are all of the players who were averaging about 15 MPG coming into tonights game. I'll kinda discount Beye and Moss since they're post players and they're not always gonna be passing for assists, but those are all terrible rates for guards, with the exception of Branden Miller, and his is only average-below average. We have way too many turnovers and not enough assists. Why is this?

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 11:28 pm

These guys play like it's summer rat ball where possessions don't really matter. You play first to 11 and then start over. They need to realize that in D-1 college basketball every possession counts. Turnovers will kill you.

My theory is summer rat ball causes more bad habits than improving one's game. How much did these guys work on their game individually?

CATS2000 · Post by **CATS2000** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:13 am

Yeah - some of those offensive possesions MSU had were straight from the rat ball playbook.

They would take bad shots less than 10 seconds into the shot clock.

Where did you find those stats?

Is Holmes only averaging 1.3 assists per game ?

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:51 am

CATS2000 wrote:Yeah - some of those offensive possesions MSU had were straight from the rat ball playbook.

They would take bad shots less than 10 seconds into the shot clock.

Where did you find those stats?

Is Holmes only averaging 1.3 assists per game ?

that is just assist to turnover RATIO. holmes may be averaging more than 1.3 assists a game, but if he is, he's also averaging the same amount of turnovers unfortunately! a good example of this is steve nash of the suns. most seasons he is in the top three in assists at about 10 a game. but what many dont know is he always has many turnovers too. second in the league last year and currently first this year with like 53! but his assist to turnover ratio is still sittin at about 10-3! so for every 20-30 points he gets his team, he only costs them between 6 and 9! so you see how bad our cats current turnover problem is.

eagle43 · Post by **eagle43** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:54 pm

I got all of these stats from espn.com, so if any of them are wrong, blame them. And yes, Holmes was averaging 1.3 assists per game coming into last nights game as far as I know.

CATS2000 · Post by **CATS2000** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:12 pm

Geez... You would think our starting point guard would get more than 1.3 assists per game. I'd like to see him at least get 5 or so if he is going to get 20+ minutes per game.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:04 pm

CATS2000 wrote:Geez... You would think our starting point guard would get more than 1.3 assists per game. I'd like to see him at least get 5 or so if he is going to get 20+ minutes per game.

you would think so wouldn't you? they will get better. they have to!