UM Champions Center

[LongTimeCatFan]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

You personify the term grizidiot! Although I'm not old enough to remember the 56 National Championship MSC won that year, I was alive and it was at the NAIA level. What was the grissy bears record during that time against a team playing at the Frontier Conference level? That the Cats won more than a few games playing up that far ought to give any reasonable individual a clue as to how pathetic your (I assume you actually went to "school" there and didn't just xrive through Missoula once or twice) big, bad "major" college football team was. Did you have any winning seasons before the Swarthout scandal years?

It didn't take long for the cherry picking to begin. The head-to-head record was 56-32 before 1990, and more lop-sided since.

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[TomCat88]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

[Griznationalist]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

Saw that, too, right after I wrote it. Meant "century," but you you're on top of it.

[PapaG]

We're nearing Day Three? Only 7 more to go, Grizlaw!

You don't care, though, about head-to-head records.

[Griznationalist]

We're nearing Day Three? Only 7 more to go, Grizlaw!

You don't care, though, about head-to-head records.

Aww, I was only replying to the guy who said Montana didn't have a program until the 1990s. I was reminding him that whatever it was that Montana had before it had a football program still managed to beat the Cat football team far more often than not in those days. Maybe it was the UM ladies knitting club that clobbered the Cats football team in 56 out of 88 contests before 1990? I will grant him that.

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Why are they calling it the Champions center? Wouldn't Runner Up center be more fitting?

[Cataholic]

Why are they calling it the Champions center? Wouldn't Runner Up center be more fitting?

I vote for a rename. How about the "we beat NDSU and Bob Stitt Inovator center"?

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We're nearing Day Three? Only 7 more to go, Grizlaw!

You don't care, though, about head-to-head records.

Aww, I was only replying to the guy who said Montana didn't have a program until the 1990s. I was reminding him that whatever it was that Montana had before it had a football program still managed to beat the Cat football team far more often than not in those days. Maybe it was the UM ladies knitting club that clobbered the Cats football team in 56 out of 88 contests before 1990? I will grant him that.

MSU was NAIA from 1939 to 1956. There were 14 games played during that stretch. The griz won 12, Cats won 2. MSU won five RMAC titles and one NAIA title in that time.

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I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

[Cataholic]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

What is even crazier to fathom, MSU did all of this including the stadium improvements without one main benefactor like the Griz had with Uncle Denny in Missoula. Can you imagine where the Griz would be without Uncle Denny?

By the way, guess who has the longest current streak of winning seasons in the Big Sky? It is Montana State University!

[Griznationalist]

Cat-Griz is a great rivalry.

I merely provided approximate data as further perspective for a gentleman who posted an assertion that UM had no football program before 1990.

After taking time to look it up:

The rivalry now stands at 71-37-5.

Before 1990, it was at 52-32-5.

Through 1989, UM's all-time record of all games played was 319-407.

Through 1989, MSU's all-time record of all games played was 325-335.

Among UM's pre-1990 losses were many losses from the days when UM played in today's equivalent of the PAC-12. Dark times for the Griz, even though UM managed to beat the Washington Huskies once, the Washington State Cougars twice, BYU five times, Colorado State six times, and Utah State eight times.

Speaking of programs that allegedly didn't thrive until 1990, to what factors does MSU owe its own all-time losing record through 1989?

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Cat-Griz is a great rivalry.

I merely provided approximate data as further perspective for a gentleman who posted an assertion that UM had no football program before 1990.

After taking time to look it up:

The rivalry now stands at 71-37-5.

Before 1990, it was at 52-32-5.

Through 1989, UM's all-time record of all games played was 319-407.

Through 1989, MSU's all-time record of all games played was 325-335.

Among UM's pre-1990 losses were many losses from the days when UM played in today's equivalent of the PAC-12. Dark times for the Griz, even though UM managed to beat the Washington Huskies once, the Washington State Cougars twice, BYU five times, Colorado State six times, and Utah State eight times.

Speaking of programs that allegedly didn't thrive until 1990, to what factors does MSU owe its own all-time losing record through 1989?

Well we were only 10 games below .500 and during our NAIA years we played up a level quite a few times. In 1939 we lost to PAC 12 (PCC) Idaho and Montana along with SJSU. We had two more play up losses in 1940, two in 41, two in 46 (tied with New Mexico in the Harbor Bowl), in 47 we lost Oregon, BYU, Hawaii, Utah State, that's four, lost four more play ups in 48, three in 49, three in 50, two in 51, one in 52, one in 53, one in 54, one in 55. So 29 losses playing up against six wins. So that'd be why we had a losing record. Had we not played up, we'd be 13 over .500.
Why were the grizz, who never played up and played down a lot, 88 games below .500? What was your all time W-L record vs PCC teams? I'm guessing they won about one out of every ten.

[BR GRIZ]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

What is even crazier to fathom, MSU did all of this including the stadium improvements without one main benefactor like the Griz had with Uncle Denny in Missoula. Can you imagine where the Griz would be without Uncle Denny?

By the way, guess who has the longest current streak of winning seasons in the Big Sky? It is Montana State University!

I think you may be making some erroneous assumptions. Following WWII until the mid-80s MSU not just spent more, but spent substantially more, on their football program than UM did. UM seriously considered dropping football during MSU's "reign" because it was not a priority. Washington's in-kind donation in building the stadium was to a large extent evening the playing field between the two schools, but once it did it jump started UM to where it is today.

[luckyirishguy25]

Funny how a post that was just supposed to be about what we thought of the new champion center quickly turned into a pissing match over the past... Glad there were no ulterior motives for the OP.

[Griznationalist]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

Why do you select only 30 years out of a century or so? And why do you "randomly" select the mid-1950s to mid-1980s? Hmm.

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I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

Why do you select only 30 years out of a century or so? And why do you "randomly" select the mid-1950s to mid-1980s? Hmm.

Your good stretch was 20 years. Ours was 30. So there. Haha.

[Griznationalist]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

Why do you select only 30 years out of a century or so? And why do you "randomly" select the mid-1950s to mid-1980s? Hmm.

Your good stretch was 20 years. Ours was 30. So there. Haha.

You like 30-year-stretch analysis?

Surely you are aware of the Griz-Cat game outcomes in these 90 years divided into three 30-year stretches.

1904 through 1933: Griz lead 20-3-5.

1934 through 1963: Griz lead 19-7.

1985 through 2014: Griz lead 24-6.

I don't get into this kind of cherry picking, but it's the way you guys seem to want to play.

Griz maybe didn't have a football program before 1990, but that means the Cats sure lost to a lot of UM powder puffers over the Century.

I still don't understand why the Cats are to be fawned over for choosing to play in the NAIA so many of those years, while the Griz get maligned in here for choosing to play in the equivalent of today's NCAA PAC-12.

The pre-1990 total W/L records for both programs are not all that different, despite the Griz dominance in head-to-head match-ups against the Cats (see above). The post-1990 total W/L records are very tilted toward Griz success. But does that mean that the Cats were losing to scarf knitters all those years in the Griz-Cat game, or, maybe they were really football players?

[Cataholic]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

Why do you select only 30 years out of a century or so? And why do you "randomly" select the mid-1950s to mid-1980s? Hmm.

Your good stretch was 20 years. Ours was 30. So there. Haha.

You like 30-year-stretch analysis?

Surely you are aware of the Griz-Cat game outcomes in these 90 years divided into three 30-year stretches.

1904 through 1933: Griz lead 20-3-5.

1934 through 1963: Griz lead 19-7.

1985 through 2014: Griz lead 24-6.

I don't get into this kind of cherry picking, but it's the way you guys seem to want to play.

Griz maybe didn't have a football program before 1990, but that means the Cats sure lost to a lot of UM powder puffers over the Century.

I still don't understand why the Cats are to be fawned over for choosing to play in the NAIA so many of those years, while the Griz get maligned in here for choosing to play in the equivalent of today's NCAA PAC-12.

The pre-1990 total W/L records for both programs are not all that different, despite the Griz dominance in head-to-head match-ups against the Cats (see above). The post-1990 total W/L records are very tilted toward Griz success. But does that mean that the Cats were losing to scarf knitters all those years in the Griz-Cat game, or, maybe they were really football players?

You really need to take off the maroon colored glasses. He is saying that MSU beat UM a respectable number of times when the Cats were NAIA. If Montana Tech beat the Griz 3 out of 8 games played today, your program would be considered a joke. Heck if Tech beat the Griz (or MSU) just once today, the program would lose a tremendous amount of in state respectability.

If you want to count the times UM beat MSU while the Cats were NAIA, you should recognize the difference in levels.

[Cataholic]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

Why do you select only 30 years out of a century or so? And why do you "randomly" select the mid-1950s to mid-1980s? Hmm.

His 30 year period happens to coincide with when the Cats moved up the NCAA level. It seems to be a pretty good place to start considering it was the initial period that the Cats and Griz were both NCAA. But of course the Griz want to count all those wins when the Cats were at a lower level. I can't blame them since it was relatively rare for the Griz to get a win.

[Cataholic]

I'll give um credit for coming so far in such a short amount of time. You guys have come so far since the 1990's when your football program started.

Interestingly, BEFORE the 1990s, Montana led the series over State by a 56-32 margin. That was through 1989. I know what comes next. Someone will cherry pick a 20-year period out of the decade where if you start it and stop it in just the right year, the Cats appeared competitive. For a program that "started" in the 1990s, how did it get credit for 56 wins in the Griz-Cat rivalry before 1990?

"A 20-year period out of a decade..." I hope I never have one of those.

How about a 30-year period? From 1956-85 it was MSU 22, um 8. It's um 31, MSU 26 since MSU joined the NCAA and the playing field was made level. Since then, each team has two national titles. MSU has 15 BSC titles um has 18. It's one of the closest and best rivalries in the nation.

What is even crazier to fathom, MSU did all of this including the stadium improvements without one main benefactor like the Griz had with Uncle Denny in Missoula. Can you imagine where the Griz would be without Uncle Denny?

By the way, guess who has the longest current streak of winning seasons in the Big Sky? It is Montana State University!

I think you may be making some erroneous assumptions. Following WWII until the mid-80s MSU not just spent more, but spent substantially more, on their football program than UM did. UM seriously considered dropping football during MSU's "reign" because it was not a priority. Washington's in-kind donation in building the stadium was to a large extent evening the playing field between the two schools, but once it did it jump started UM to where it is today.

You completely missed my point. We built our program with our own money. We did not have an Uncle Denny to build us a stadium. Take away Uncle Denny and the Griz would be an afterthought. Isn't it a more impressive accomplishment that the Cats have one the premier facilities in the Big Sky without having an Uncle Denny?