Quit saying "Go Griz"

Live4Griz · Post by **Live4Griz** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:15 pm

BozoneCat wrote:This wasn't a slam on the griz. Our team goals at the beginning of every season are:

1.) Win the NC
2.) Win the Big Sky Conference
3.) Win every home game
4.) Make the playoffs
5.) Beat the griz

In my mind, beating the griz is the least of all those goals, and it is the easiest because it is just one game. The other goals involve the entire season. I don't see what is so confusing about that? My beef is with the griz fans who have convinced themselves that beating the griz is our only goal, and the rest of the goals do not matter.

Well, Well, Well Bozone, when you put that way, I can start to see your point. I would be hesitant to say beating the Griz is the least of all goals...but of the goals you listed above, I would agree. And it certainly can't be the smallest of all the goals the Bobcats may or may not have. This game is big time for both schools & I hope it will be that way for a long time to come.

Here's wishing you all a Great Thanksgiving...Thanks for the Discussions

GO GRIZ

Grizzfan · Post by **Grizzfan** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:41 pm

I have a question for the Cat fans who think the Griz don't deserve a home game this year: If you were the selection committee, who do you think should have the home games? Of the teams that are on the road this week, here are the options:

Colgate (8-3, with a Patriot League schedule), Eastern (7-4; yes they beat the Griz, but they have the worst record in the playoffs), Ga. Southern (8-3), Cal Poly (same record as we have, and we beat them fairly handily), Richmond (8-3), Nicholls State (6-3), Lafayette (8-3, Patriot League schedule), Southern Illinois (8-3, Gateway Conference, #1 for much of the year, but stumbled badly late).

Now, since everyone agrees that the Griz don't deserve a home game, which of these teams should have taken our place? I've made my parenthetical arguments that Colgate, EWU, Poly, and Lafayette definitely don't deserve to host over the Griz. Of the remaining options, I would argue that Nicholls State's 6-3 record doesn't make them a clear favorite over UM either. Thus, we're left with Ga. Southern and SIU, both of whom have the same record as Montana, and neither of which has looked particularly dominant for most of the year.

Anyway, since UM so clearly does not deserve a home game this year, can anyone tell me which of these schools is more deserving than we are, and why?

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"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it." --Voltaire

Come on Cat Fans! Isn't somebody going to try to answer this very well written question?

Go Griz!! Temperatures on Saturday 11/26 - Missoula 34F & Snow - San Luis Obispo 74F and Sun. Call it Mustang Misery.

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MSU Toddler · Post by **MSU Toddler** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:49 pm

i think eastern deserves to be at home since they beat the griz and Cats and got the autobid. since the griz got a home game, it just makes sense that eastern should (all other issues aside).

sorry for the simple logic on that - no smack intended

Live4Griz · Post by **Live4Griz** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:54 pm

MSU Toddler wrote:i think eastern deserves to be at home since they beat the griz and Cats and got the autobid. since the griz got a home game, it just makes sense that eastern should (all other issues aside).

sorry for the simple logic on that - no smack intended

I think "all other issues" is what determines whether or not a team hosts.

MSU Toddler · Post by **MSU Toddler** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:55 pm

that's why i'm a rooky

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:05 pm

El_Gato wrote:barechest summed up my thoughts perfectly:

The Griz are 1 game; it's obviously the EASIEST goal to acheive.

I won't say that I feel it's the smallest but I will sum up my feelings this way: I'd trade a win over the Griz for a playoff win (or more).

However, if my choices were 1)losing to the Griz and then losing a 1st round playoff game, or 2) beating the Griz but missing the playoffs....

I think I'd take #2 (and I'd take it all over the Griz! uhthankyou...)

Funny that the Griz may be about to live #1...?

Compare the number of BSC teams that beat the Griz with the number of non-Griz BSC teams in the playoffs:
2005 Eastern/MSU beat Griz, Eastern makes playoffs
2004 Portland State beats Griz, EWU makes playoffs
2003 Idaho State / MSU beat Griz, NAU/MSU makes playoffs
2002 EWU / MSU beat Griz, MSU makes playoffs
2001 No one beats Griz / NAU makes playoffs
2000 No one beats Griz / Portland State makes playoffs

Same number of Griz losses as BSC berths (excluing the Griz) in the last six seasons. It's as easy to go to the playoffs as it is to beat the Griz.

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:45 pm

theblackgecko wrote:
El_Gato wrote:barechest summed up my thoughts perfectly:

The Griz are 1 game; it's obviously the EASIEST goal to acheive.

I won't say that I feel it's the smallest but I will sum up my feelings this way: I'd trade a win over the Griz for a playoff win (or more).

However, if my choices were 1)losing to the Griz and then losing a 1st round playoff game, or 2) beating the Griz but missing the playoffs....

I think I'd take #2 (and I'd take it all over the Griz! uhthankyou...)

Funny that the Griz may be about to live #1...?
Compare the number of BSC teams that beat the Griz with the number of non-Griz BSC teams in the playoffs:
2005 Eastern/MSU beat Griz, Eastern makes playoffs
2004 Portland State beats Griz, EWU makes playoffs
2003 Idaho State / MSU beat Griz, NAU/MSU makes playoffs
2002 EWU / MSU beat Griz, MSU makes playoffs
2001 No one beats Griz / NAU makes playoffs
2000 No one beats Griz / Portland State makes playoffs

Same number of Griz losses as BSC berths (excluing the Griz) in the last six seasons. It's as easy to go to the playoffs as it is to beat the Griz.

Solid posting

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:24 pm

whizonthegriz wrote:I totally agree, I can't stand the Griz. All year long I can't stand the Griz. Why would I want them to go far in the playoffs. I work with several Griz alum, and it was so much fun razzing them before and after the Cat/Griz game. Their only comeback is "at least we got the playoffs." I want the Griz to tank against Cal Poly so they change their mantra to at least we got crushed in the playoffs.

By the way, the best thing that could happen to the Cats recruiting wise right now (that they can't control) is for the Griz playoff run and eventual playoff streak to end. Certainly it won't help if the Griz make a run at the championship game. All the euphoria from Cat/Griz will just turn into statewide excitement for the Griz. Like the Grinch who stole Christmas, I will have none of it!!!

Actually, our mantra is "at least we've won a Big SKy Title since 1984"

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:01 pm

Grizlaw.

I would say both Georgia Southern and Southern Illinois if they finished higher than 3rd. in their conference. They have the same records and if you use the argument that they stumbled at the end of the season you take away the argument that the beginning of the season is important and that is why the Griz even got in. 2 losses in conference and third place losing to the 1 and 2 team in conference does not normally get you a bid let alone a host role. Taking this same argument EWU should then get in as two of the losses were non conference and early in the year.

DaGriz · Post by **DaGriz** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:15 pm

Then I will asume by that theory that if we went 1-10 and teh 1 win was against the griz, that the team, fans, etc would be happy. Trust me that would not be the case.

On the Kramer show on Altitude, the guy interviewing Kramer said he talked to many people over the weekend that said they could care less if they have a winning record or go 1-10, as long as they beat the Griz.

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:52 pm

DaGriz wrote:
Then I will asume by that theory that if we went 1-10 and teh 1 win was against the griz, that the team, fans, etc would be happy. Trust me that would not be the case.
On the Kramer show on Altitude, the guy interviewing Kramer said he talked to many people over the weekend that said they could care less if they have a winning record or go 1-10, as long as they beat the Griz.

Did we go 1-10 with a win over the griz this year? NOPE

We went 7-4 with a win over the griz. Were we excited about a huge win for the program? ABSOLUTELY

If we had gone 8-3 with a loss to the griz, would we have been truely happy? NOPE

3 out of the last 4 will have major implications in the statewide reecruiting wars. Five years ago, I would have taken a 1-10 season if it meant a win over the griz, but not in this new rising era of CAT football. Our coach has brought us to a level that the griz can no longer claim solely for themselves. Each of the past three Big Sky Championship banners that we have claimed a portion of, have come at the expense of the griz.

I don't care who you are, that right there is pretty SWEET!

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:55 pm

Live4Griz wrote:
BozoneCat wrote:This wasn't a slam on the griz. Our team goals at the beginning of every season are:

1.) Win the NC
2.) Win the Big Sky Conference
3.) Win every home game
4.) Make the playoffs
5.) Beat the griz

In my mind, beating the griz is the least of all those goals, and it is the easiest because it is just one game. The other goals involve the entire season. I don't see what is so confusing about that? My beef is with the griz fans who have convinced themselves that beating the griz is our only goal, and the rest of the goals do not matter.

Well, Well, Well Bozone, when you put that way, I can start to see your point. I would be hesitant to say beating the Griz is the least of all goals...but of the goals you listed above, I would agree. And it certainly can't be the smallest of all the goals the Bobcats may or may not have. This game is big time for both schools & I hope it will be that way for a long time to come.

Here's wishing you all a Great Thanksgiving...Thanks for the Discussions

GO GRIZ

that's why he said it was the least of all THOSE goals. not the least of any goal that any player or coach may or may not have had this season. read carefully, think, and then reply.

Live4Griz · Post by **Live4Griz** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:12 pm

whitetrashgriz wrote:
Live4Griz wrote:
BozoneCat wrote:This wasn't a slam on the griz. Our team goals at the beginning of every season are:

1.) Win the NC
2.) Win the Big Sky Conference
3.) Win every home game
4.) Make the playoffs
5.) Beat the griz

In my mind, beating the griz is the least of all those goals, and it is the easiest because it is just one game. The other goals involve the entire season. I don't see what is so confusing about that? My beef is with the griz fans who have convinced themselves that beating the griz is our only goal, and the rest of the goals do not matter.

Well, Well, Well Bozone, when you put that way, I can start to see your point. I would be hesitant to say beating the Griz is the least of all goals...but of the goals you listed above, I would agree. And it certainly can't be the smallest of all the goals the Bobcats may or may not have. This game is big time for both schools & I hope it will be that way for a long time to come.

Here's wishing you all a Great Thanksgiving...Thanks for the Discussions

GO GRIZ
that's why he said it was the least of all THOSE goals. not the least of any goal that any player or coach may or may not have had this season. read carefully, think, and then reply.

WTG...I was replying to a earlier post that bozone made in this thread that read in part... "Beating the griz is the smallest, and easiest, of all the goals we set at the beginning of every season."

4 hours later he replied with THOSE goals he believes the Cats set at the begining of each year.

Read Carefully, think and then reply!!

GO GRIZ!!

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:19 am

Hauck will lose to the Cats again next year. He's already resigned to that fact.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:33 am

I saw Bobby on television yesterday and during the interview I think I detected TINY LITTLE GRIN.

I must say, it didn't look too bad on him. You know, if he would smile more, he would at least come across as being a little more personable.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:18 pm

Wolfman wrote:Hauck will lose to the Cats again next year. He's already resigned to that fact.

was he resigned to losing to them last year also????

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:12 pm

Who cares?

As long as he keeps losing at least 2 of every 3 to the Cats, he'll remain my favorite Griz coach!

HelenaCat · Post by **HelenaCat** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:20 pm

I guess this thread can finally die now. We don't have to worry about anyone saying "go griz" now!

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:38 pm

Sad way to die.

At home in front of a bunch, or at least half, of your "fans"

HelenaCat · Post by **HelenaCat** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:02 pm

Do you mean the half that boo their own team, or the other half???