So let me get this straight

CatfaninGA · Post by **CatfaninGA** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:33 pm

MSU co-champ of the BSC

Eastern gets in due to beating both MT schools and wins the conf.

friz get in with an at large? Why? Because the NCAA sees the dump of washfriz as a $ maker?

MSU beats um and gets left at home.

makes sense.

Yeah MSU shot themselves in the foot with losses to EW and Cal, but did we even have a shot at the playoffs?

I'll keep an eye out for EW in the playoffs but the griz I hope they get beat by 30

Cat-theotherwhitemeat · Post by **Cat-theotherwhitemeat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:35 pm

Two words.....Portland State.

Win it, and you're in.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:39 pm

In more words -- don't schedule nonconference games against good teams on the road. If MSU drops the Cal Poly game and plays some wretched DII school at home instead, we are in the playoffs. It's all about the W/L record.

And beating PSU would have done it as well. We get them and EWU at home next seaon.

nevadacat · Post by **nevadacat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:39 pm

CatfaninGA wrote: Yeah MSU shot themselves in the foot with losses to EW and Cal, but did we even have a shot at the playoffs?

I think the real self-inflicted wound was in Portland. EW and Cal are decent teams, and Portland is no slouch either, but there's no way Portland should even have been in that game.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:41 pm

nevadacat wrote:
CatfaninGA wrote: Yeah MSU shot themselves in the foot with losses to EW and Cal, but did we even have a shot at the playoffs?
I think the real self-inflicted wound was in Portland. EW and Cal are decent teams, and Portalnd is no slouch either, but there's no way Portland should even been in that game.

PSU did beat UC-Davis on the road, and nearly knocked off Boise State on the road. The BSC simply had a lot of good teams this season.

I agree, though, we should have beat PSU -- not because they aren't good, but because we were better.

BleedsBlue&Gold · Post by **BleedsBlue&Gold** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:42 pm

Honestly, the griz have earned the playoff game. Not necessarily just this year, but their national reputation is the main reason they are ranked were they are and have a home playoff game.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:46 pm

I congratulate the Griz... they did what they had to do this year to return to the playoffs. Yes... they were vastly overrated... but the system does that for teams who have achieved success the previous year(s). Until they prove otherwise and fall... they remain rated higher than maybe they should be. And the Griz fans know and many will admit that this years rendition of the Griz were vastly overrated. They will have difficulty going past the first or second round... but they are there. Best of luck to the Griz... represent the state well.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:48 pm

BleedsBlue&Gold wrote:Honestly, the griz have earned the playoff game. Not necessarily just this year, but their national reputation is the main reason they are ranked were they are and have a home playoff game.

I agree. At 8-3 in the BSC, they deserve to be in. I would just assert that the system is messed up when they are in and we are not. It can never be perfect, but essentially rewarding teams for scheduling dogs at home should not be the way the system works.

I don't really agree on the lifetime achievement award philosophy, but I do think their wins this season earned them a playoff bid. Hosting? Well, that's just about the money. We should be hosting as well.

Sportin' Life · Post by **Sportin' Life** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:48 pm

I really think if the Cats would have beaten one of those teams (PSU EWU or Cal Poly) they would be at home for the playoffs this weekend. That would have gone a long way towards earning the respect that gives a team the benefit of the doubt for the playoff committee. I remember the early nineties and the Griz couldn't get a home game and a seed in the playoffs for anything...it seemed there was always some eastern team that got the breaks ahead of the Griz. But a few years of putting up some W's in the playoffs got us rolling. It wasn't done in a day you know.

So what I'm saying is I think you guys are on the right track, but it takes some time.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:51 pm

You should not earn it based on prior years. I agree that at 8-3 they should be in but I do not believe they should host. That is based on their high ranking. They did not beat anyone except Cal Poly and that was at home. PSU was at home. If they travel on either of those games they are 7-4. Their beginning season ranking was based on prior years. Then when they lost they would drop to 10th. Win a couple and move up based on others losing, lose drop a couple. This kept them in the top 10 a virtually assured them of a spot.

Even if the cats had finished 8-3 with EWU still getting the auto bid, I think we may have been left out as they would not pick us over UM, even though they lost to EWU and MSU. They do not have enough offense to make a run.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:06 pm

tetoncat wrote:Even if the cats had finished 8-3 with EWU still getting the auto bid, I think we may have been left out as they would not pick us over UM, even though they lost to EWU and MSU. They do not have enough offense to make a run.

EWU would not have gotten the auto bid. If we finished 8-3, with a win over PSU, we would have been conf. champs outright, at 6-1 in conf. The Griz still would have gotten in. Had we beaten CPSLO, we still would have gotten in. Any way you cut it, with an 8-3 record and our SOS, GPI, we would have gone to the playoffs, period.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:08 pm

I did not mean with a win over eastern. I do know that with EWU, UM, MSU, and Cal poly all at 8-3 the griz would still be in even if they are the 4th best team.

Scrogger · Post by **Scrogger** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:05 pm

1-aa playoffs needs teams like the griz, deleware and georgia southern and a few others in order to offset the losses that the NCAA absorb with the playoff system.

The griz are similar to Notre Dame but on a much lesser scale. As long as the Irish are bowl eligilible all the bowls are swarming to get them, not because they are the best team, it's because they will bring the most MONEY. Even tho others are more qualified.

um has built up to this stage at the 1-aa level and the committee knows who will bring in the MONEY. Is this the right way to do so, no, However if you read the criteria for the playoff selection, money is figured into the equatation.

By the way, don't the cats have representation on the selection committee.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:11 pm

If the 'Cats would have scheduled Central Washington rather than Oklahoma State they might be playing this weekend. (You never can be sure against those D-II powers thought):D

Convince Peter Fields that it's more profitable to bring schools to Reno H. Sales rather than go on the road if one prefers an easier non-conference schedule. The easiest way to do that is bring butts to fill the current seats, and have a waiting list of butts to fill a stadium expansion (such as the NEZ expansion).

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:42 pm

Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:Two words.....Portland State.

Win it, and you're in.

PSU sums up our entire season. Cats win that game and we are hosting at least one playoff game.

GonzoGriz · Post by **GonzoGriz** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:05 pm

Oh man, you cat fans spew so much hatred I am amazed your heads don't pop off.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:37 pm

GonzoGriz wrote:Oh man, you cat fans spew so much hatred I am amazed your heads don't pop off.

If you are going to say something that outrageous on anyplace other than the smack board, please be sure to reference what you are referring to. I have a feeling you will have a hard time backing up your statement.

This thread seems to be overwhelmingly complimentary of your favorite football team, so please quit desperately looking for reasons to put us down.

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:13 pm

CatfaninGA wrote:MSU co-champ of the BSC

Eastern gets in due to beating both MT schools and wins the conf.

friz get in with an at large? Why? Because the NCAA sees the dump of washfriz as a $ maker?

MSU beats um and gets left at home.

makes sense.

Yeah MSU shot themselves in the foot with losses to EW and Cal, but did we even have a shot at the playoffs?

I'll keep an eye out for EW in the playoffs but the griz I hope they get beat by 30

Yeah yeah yeah, the Griz have their stadium and booked a D2 school, I know. But what are they supposed to do, tear down the stadium? I'll admit scheduling Ft Lewis was dumb, and it's accomplished very little but the fact is that the Griz won 8 games this year and only lost 3. It was the schedule they had, and they went out and won enough games to make them eligible.

I believe there were two other 8-3 teams that were left out of the playoffs, UMass being one of them, so being 7-4 made it impossible for the cats, IMO. Meat's point is the key point, beat PSU, cats are in, it comes down to how a team plays the whole season.

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:16 pm

Another way to look at it, both msu and UM lost to a 1A team, both also lost to EWU, but Montana beat the other two teams the cats lost to, Cal Poly and PSU.

GonzoGriz · Post by **GonzoGriz** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:36 pm

If you are going to say something that outrageous on anyplace other than the smack board, please be sure to reference what you are referring to. I have a feeling you will have a hard time backing up your statement.

Okay. Here's a start:

"Bobby appears to me either like guy that is finally secure in his job and doesn't need to rant and rave about losing to the Cats, or he's not long for the UM job and is on his way out. Either way I am very impressed by his classy demeanor this last week....it even makes it hard to hate him...so I'll just have to hate the Griz only!"

"This is going to be a heck of hard fought game today. The Cats are the underdogs yet we have what it takes to win it today. I hate the griz but I give them credit for having a solid football program every year. Hats off to both teams. Let's get it on!!"

"Do us all a favor, putz, go back over to egriz AND STAY THERE. … Are you one of those idiots that wonders why we Cat fans hate griz fans so much? Well, look in the mirror & WONDER NO MORE!"

"You assume that we want to overcome it. I hate the griz, I will always hate the griz, and never in my life would I root for the griz in any circumstance. And I like it that way. "

I didn't mean to limit this to just the use of the word "hate" but that's about all the time I have right now. But particularly I was referring to the abusive (and idiotic) "dump of washfriz" reference in the initial post.

But hey, I could be just misinterpreting things!

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