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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by FTG247365 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:55 am

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Why and for who? MSU and the fans seem like slam dunk winners. All kinds of venue upgrades.
What about the people who can already barely afford to live there?

What happens to real estate values leading up to the event only to have them drop dramatically when it's all over?

What about the fact that Bozeman is JUST FINE the way it is and doesn't need a bunch more big money to show up and "make it better"?


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Like we don't already have enough Subaru's with Thule racks.

I have never understood why the Olympics can't go back to a previous location, rehab it and don't waste all the money on rebuilding an entire new location.



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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by SonomaCat » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:06 pm

Just for discussion's sake, what kinds of facilities do people foresee that would be built and then subsequently abandoned or not effectively utilized afterwards?



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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by SonomaCat » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:09 pm

FTG247365 wrote:I have never understood why the Olympics can't go back to a previous location, rehab it and don't waste all the money on rebuilding an entire new location.
I've sometimes wondered if maybe they shouldn't just have some neutral country host it every time ... someplace like Switzerland. Summer Olympics are a bit easier and can go into many large urban areas without a huge amount of investment necessary, but the winter games are a strange animal that require the infrastructure of a city but the venues of a mountain town.



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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:01 pm

In 1980 at Lake Placid there were 38 events, in Sochi there were 98 events. The Winter Olympics has grown a lot and that makes it a lot harder for a lightly populated jurisdiction to host it. I think it's a cool idea (no pun) but I don't think it will ever happen. Where would the money come from? The City, County, and State certainly don't have it.



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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:45 pm

Some interesting info from Wikipedia:

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Host city legacy

According to the IOC, the host city is responsible for, "...establishing functions and services for all aspects of the Games, such as sports planning, venues, finance, technology, accommodation, catering, media services etc., as well as operations during the Games."[97] Due to the cost of hosting an Olympic Games, most host cities never realise a profit on their investment.[98] For example the 1998 Winter Olympics in Nagano, Japan, cost $12.5 billion. By comparison the Torino Games of 2006 cost $3.6 billion to host.[99] The organisers claimed that the cost of extending the bullet train service from Tokyo to Nagano was responsible for the large price tag.[99] The organising committee hoped that the exposure of the Olympic Games, and the expedited access to Nagano from Tokyo, would be a boon to the local economy for years afterward. Nagano's economy did experience a two-year post-Olympic spurt, but the long term effects have not materialised as planned.[99] The possibility of heavy debt, coupled with unused sports venues and infrastructure that saddle the local community with upkeep costs and no practical post-Olympic value, is a deterrent to prospective host cities.[100]

To mitigate these concerns the IOC has enacted several initiatives. First it has agreed to fund part of the host city's budget for staging the Games.[101] Secondly, the IOC limits the qualifying host countries to those that have the resources and infrastructure to successfully host an Olympic Games without negatively impacting the region or nation. This eliminates a large portion of the developing world.[102] Finally, cities bidding to host the Games are required to add a "legacy plan" to their proposal. This requires prospective host cities and the IOC, to plan with a view to the long-term economic and environmental impact that hosting the Olympics will have on the region.[103]
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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by 91catAlum » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:48 pm

Also:
The total bill for Vancouver’s 2010 Winter Games came to $6.4 billion... Sochi, whose venues and infrastructure had to be built pretty much from scratch, rang in at an anomalous but no less heart-stopping $51 billion.
http://time.com/3462070/olympics-winter-2022/


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by allcat » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:45 pm

I'm sure that the bullet train from Bozeman to Big Sky would pay for itself before the end of the century.


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by [cat_bracket] » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:29 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:Just for discussion's sake, what kinds of facilities do people foresee that would be built and then subsequently abandoned or not effectively utilized afterwards?
Crickets...



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Re: 2026 winter olympics

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Bay Area Cat wrote:Just for discussion's sake, what kinds of facilities do people foresee that would be built and then subsequently abandoned or not effectively utilized afterwards?
Crickets...
For starters you need a huge covered building to house the long track for skating. The field house would probably work for short track.

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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by FTG247365 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:58 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:Just for discussion's sake, what kinds of facilities do people foresee that would be built and then subsequently abandoned or not effectively utilized afterwards?
I would take a guess most anything directly associated to the Olympics, there's has never been a huge demand for bobsledding, curling, speed skating, etc. in this area.



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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by bobcat99 » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:01 pm

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Bay Area Cat wrote:Just for discussion's sake, what kinds of facilities do people foresee that would be built and then subsequently abandoned or not effectively utilized afterwards?
Crickets...
Let's take Vancouver for example. Last time I was there, the Olympic village where all the athletes stayed was abandoned. Why would it be any different for us, especially considering we're a smaller locale?

And I'm still hearing crickets on who would pay for this? Neither of you are current residents, so I'm sure it doesn't bother you considering it has no impact on you, but the people that live here might care to differ.



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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by BigBruceBaker » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:09 pm

bobcat99 wrote:
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Bay Area Cat wrote:Just for discussion's sake, what kinds of facilities do people foresee that would be built and then subsequently abandoned or not effectively utilized afterwards?
Crickets...
Let's take Vancouver for example. Last time I was there, the Olympic village where all the athletes stayed was abandoned. Why would it be any different for us, especially considering we're a smaller locale?

And I'm still hearing crickets on who would pay for this? Neither of you are current residents, so I'm sure it doesn't bother you considering it has no impact on you, but the people that live here might care to differ.
Just for arguments sake, couldn't the Olympic village after used be turned into low income housing that so many people say Bozeman needs more of? (I'm not being snarky, I moved away a few years ago so don't know the needs for low income housing)


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by gocats » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:19 pm

I was just going to bring up the same thing about affordable housing Big Bruce.


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by allcat » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:24 pm

Funny, Vancouver never thought to use it for affordable housing. :-k


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by BigBruceBaker » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:28 pm

I'm releasing a proposal to Vancouver next week. I stand to make at least 73 million moose knuckles....or whatever kind of trading system those damn northerns use.


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by LongTimeCatFan » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:33 pm

BigBruceBaker wrote:I'm releasing a proposal to Vancouver next week. I stand to make at least 73 million moose knuckles....or whatever kind of trading system those damn northerns use.


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by FTG06' » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:34 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
FTG06' wrote:What about the people who can already barely afford to live there?
I'm not sure that it would really impact rental costs much ... except for those two weeks. And that would just give everybody living in Bozeman the chance to leave town for two weeks and make a mint by doing airbnb on their place for two weeks. If it did increase rents, that would be the result of more jobs and money coming to the area, so presumably people who can already barely afford to live in Bozeman would then be making more (along with everyone else). It's possible that the cost of living would increase, but just like other places in the country with higher costs of living, there would also be higher wages. There is also plenty of room for new housing to go up in the area, so supply and demand would probably level things off in terms of costs if there was an influx of money.
What happens to real estate values leading up to the event only to have them drop dramatically when it's all over?
If that's true, then I guess the first point is moot. I doubt real estate values would move these ways, though. I'd expect them to increase a bit more (due to the PR for the area making Bozeman more attractive to some degree), but probably not move a whole lot. People with money already know about Bozeman/Big Sky.
What about the fact that Bozeman is JUST FINE the way it is and doesn't need a bunch more big money to show up and "make it better"?
Fair point. If one doesn't want Bozeman to become a place with more jobs and opportunities for people to live and make a good living, then an influx of money into Bozeman could be a bad thing.

Of course, all of that said, I think this is a pipe dream. It would cost a huge amount of money to upgrade Bozeman's infrastructure and facilities to allow this to happen, and I can't see where that money would come from (unless some major rich guys made it their pet project like some are trying to do to get SF to host the Summer games). But if (huge, huge, huge "IF") somebody was willing to step up to invest these huge amounts of money into Bozeman's infrastructure, I think it would be wonderful for Bozeman and Montana as a whole.
More jobs and more money need to be the result of responsible growth. Hosting the Olympics is a flash in the pan that brings in massive amounts of economic stimulus initially, and when it's all over those jobs are gone.

I'm not against growth, jobs, or money. Quite the opposite. What I AM against is a bunch of people controlling the future of my home that have absolutely no ties or affiliations with it. The IOC is just that.

Why do you think it would be "wonderful" for Bozeman?


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by FTG06' » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:41 pm

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Why and for who? MSU and the fans seem like slam dunk winners. All kinds of venue upgrades.
What about the people who can already barely afford to live there?

What happens to real estate values leading up to the event only to have them drop dramatically when it's all over?

What about the fact that Bozeman is JUST FINE the way it is and doesn't need a bunch more big money to show up and "make it better"?


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1. Get a better job or move.
2. Anyone with half a brain can work through that.
3. If it's just fine, then why are people complaining about the traffic and lack of athletic facilities.
Your responses to 1and 2 don't even deserve a response.

3 sounds like you are the one complaining. When I come home from the east coast, I immediately notice how much better traffic is. In fact, I talked to a guy in the flight in that was from Denver and he said basically the same thing, and that he really enjoyed the slower pace of things in Bozeman. That's called perspective.


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Re: 2026 winter olympics

Post by SonomaCat » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:46 pm

Improved infrastructure. Improved facilities. Businesses (permanent) that are started/move to Bozeman as a result of the improved infrastructure and facilities. The increased tourism to Bozeman area resulting from PR and from improved infrastructure and facilities. The boon to MSU as a destination university would be nice as well. I'm sure it would do wonders for enrollment.

Really, it's pretty hard to go wrong with improved infrastructure and improved facilities and a two week long commercial about how great an area is in terms of growing business, especially for an area like Bozeman that has a lot to offer (and is in a country with a robust economy with people looking for places to invest).

The economic impact of the games themselves would certainly be short in duration. I think the long term benefits would be significant as well, though. Just like anyone would expect from any huge infusion of money into a region's infrastructure.

But again, the mutli-billion dollar question is: who would come up with all that cash to improve the infrastructure and facilities in the Bozeman area?

I'm not sure the IOC would really be making too many long term decisions specific to Bozeman in this fantasy scenario. They just may request a reception with Dakota Prukop or some other ridiculous bit of big leaguing. ;)



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Post by SonomaCat » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:53 pm

bobcat99 wrote:And I'm still hearing crickets on who would pay for this? Neither of you are current residents, so I'm sure it doesn't bother you considering it has no impact on you, but the people that live here might care to differ.
I'm going to assume you aren't referring to me, given that I've been by far the most vocal person in questioning where the money would come from and have specifically said that local (MY) taxpayer money should not go to pay for it. :shrug:



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