Peter Fields Bargaining for MSU?

[GrizinWashington]

If the CATS and the griz flip-flopped positions this weekend, and the griz needed to beat us to "have a chance", I would put money on the griz getting in. I would bet that the BSC would 3 teams if that was the scenario!

Not with four losses they wouldn't.

I mean, you guys make it sound sometimes like the Griz are doing this with smoke and mirrors, and that they haven't deserved 13 straight playoff appearances. Please, show me one year of those 13 that they weren't deserving, when they got special treatment by the committee. I think it's probably the other way around; I think most of the rest of the country would love a chance to leave Montana home for the holidays.

[Platinumcat]

Actually our losses were to Oklahoma St., Cal Poly, Port. St, and EWU not SFA. In fact we throttled SFA. By the way, if any of the following lose: South. Illinois, Umass, Cal Poly, Richmond, and Nicholls State they will have the same record as the CATS (7-4 pending a cat win). Their losses will hurt them in GPI and if the CATS win they will most likely move into the top 12 in GPI by beating the GPI #1 Griz. So I wouldn't go as far as saying the Cats have no shot at making the playoff.

The selection people will have to keep in mind the BSC is the toughest in all of 1-AA, therefor I don't see them taking 4 from say the Gateway and only 2 from the BSC. I am a firm believer that the best 16 should be playing, not the top ten and then some other teams because they beat a bunch of D-2 teams.

The Cats do need help from teams like NDSU, William & Mary, Hofstra, Idaho St., and McNeese St.

If the cats do happen to upset the griz and a couple of the teams above pull off wins. Tune into the selection show Sunday morning it could get interesting.

SH!T HAPPENS!!!

If SIU and Nicholls lose, they're out of consideration because they don't have 7 D-I victories. Same goes for Texas State.

[twentythreeOh4]

First off, we would be 7-3 due to the I-A loss not counting. Secondly (and yes it takes help in losses to a few different teams) we are mathematically very much in the playoff picture.

You keep saying a I-A loss doesn't count, that's simply not true. It's absolutely clear that the selection committee counts I-A losses. Over the years, I've seen it time and time again. I-A losses count the same as I-AA losses period.

[BobCatFan]

If we beat the Friz, then we have a three way tie for the conference champaionship. EWU wins the tie breaker for 1st place, we should win the tie breaker for 2nd place. The Friz are out at 3rd place. I can not see how the Friz will be ranked higher by the selection committee (not the stupid polls) then the Cats. The way I see it, only EWU gets in or all three get in.

[Eastcoastgriz]

If we beat the Friz, then we have a three way tie for the conference champaionship. EWU wins the tie breaker for 1st place, we should win the tie breaker for 2nd place. The Friz are out at 3rd place. I can not see how the Friz will be ranked higher by the selection committee (not the stupid polls) then the Cats. The way I see it, only EWU gets in or all three get in.

If, and I do mean if, the cats some how are able to beat us come Saturday, you will get the opportunity to see how the Griz still get in and the cats once again get to stay home for t-day

[94VegasCat]

If we beat the Friz, then we have a three way tie for the conference champaionship. EWU wins the tie breaker for 1st place, we should win the tie breaker for 2nd place. The Friz are out at 3rd place. I can not see how the Friz will be ranked higher by the selection committee (not the stupid polls) then the Cats. The way I see it, only EWU gets in or all three get in.

Another argument! I agree and won't give up the ship just yet either. How does the third place team get in over the second place team? All season long, MSU was said to have one of the toughest schedules in all of I-AA--how does that not help us in the end? If we pi$$ pound the #3 ranked grizzlies, does that move us higher in the RPI ratings?

[catsblow]

Where did you hear that? It's been talked all year that fields is on the selection committee. Someone is wrong. I'm not sure how much it matters anyway due to Fields not able to even be in the room if the discussion of MSU comes up during selection Sunday.

This is straight from the NCAA:
(http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/f ... ndbook.pdf)
Sports Committee
[Reference: Administration and Management in the Division I General Section and Bylaws 31.1.1 and 31.1.2 in the NCAA Manual.]
The Division I-AA Football Championship is under the control, direction and supervision of the NCAA Division I-AA Football Committee. Current members of the committee are:
West
Tom Burman, director of athletics, Portland State University, Portland,
Oregon 97201 (503/725-2500)
Bobby Williams, director of athletics, Sam Houston State University,
Huntsville, Texas 77340 (936/294-4205)
South
Roachel Laney, assistant professor, Appalachian State University,
Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828/262-7154)
Lynn Thompson, director of athletics, Bethune-Cookman College,
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114 (386/481-2215)
Central
Don Kaverman, director of athletics, Southeast Missouri State University,
Cape Girardeau, Missouri 63701 (573/651-2229)
Tim Van Alstine, director of athletics, Western Illinois University, Macomb,
Illinois 61455 (309/298-1106)
East
John Hardt, director of athletics, Bucknell University, Lewisburg,
Pennsylvania 17837 (570/577-3054)
John McCutcheon, director of athletics, University of Massachusetts,
Amherst,, Amherst, Massachusetts 01003 (413/545-9652)

[grizzh8r]

Where did you hear that? It's been talked all year that fields is on the selection committee. Someone is wrong. I'm not sure how much it matters anyway due to Fields not able to even be in the room if the discussion of MSU comes up during selection Sunday.

This is straight from the NCAA:
(http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/f ... ndbook.pdf)
Sports Committee
[Reference: Administration and Management in the Division I General Section and Bylaws 31.1.1 and 31.1.2 in the NCAA Manual.]
The Division I-AA Football Championship is under the control, direction and supervision of the NCAA Division I-AA Football Committee. Current members of the committee are:
West
Tom Burman, director of athletics, Portland State University, Portland,
Oregon 97201 (503/725-2500)
Bobby Williams, director of athletics, Sam Houston State University,
Huntsville, Texas 77340 (936/294-4205)
South
Roachel Laney, assistant professor, Appalachian State University,
Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828/262-7154)
Lynn Thompson, director of athletics, Bethune-Cookman College,
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114 (386/481-2215)
Central
Don Kaverman, director of athletics, Southeast Missouri State University,
Cape Girardeau, Missouri 63701 (573/651-2229)
Tim Van Alstine, director of athletics, Western Illinois University, Macomb,
Illinois 61455 (309/298-1106)
East
John Hardt, director of athletics, Bucknell University, Lewisburg,
Pennsylvania 17837 (570/577-3054)
John McCutcheon, director of athletics, University of Massachusetts,
Amherst,, Amherst, Massachusetts 01003 (413/545-9652)

But, is that the Playoff selection committee?

[GrizinWashington]

Where did you hear that? It's been talked all year that fields is on the selection committee. Someone is wrong. I'm not sure how much it matters anyway due to Fields not able to even be in the room if the discussion of MSU comes up during selection Sunday.

This is straight from the NCAA:
(http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/f ... ndbook.pdf)
Sports Committee
[Reference: Administration and Management in the Division I General Section and Bylaws 31.1.1 and 31.1.2 in the NCAA Manual.]
The Division I-AA Football Championship is under the control, direction and supervision of the NCAA Division I-AA Football Committee. Current members of the committee are:
West
Tom Burman, director of athletics, Portland State University, Portland,
Oregon 97201 (503/725-2500)
Bobby Williams, director of athletics, Sam Houston State University,
Huntsville, Texas 77340 (936/294-4205)
South
Roachel Laney, assistant professor, Appalachian State University,
Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828/262-7154)
Lynn Thompson, director of athletics, Bethune-Cookman College,
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114 (386/481-2215)
Central
Don Kaverman, director of athletics, Southeast Missouri State University,
Cape Girardeau, Missouri 63701 (573/651-2229)
Tim Van Alstine, director of athletics, Western Illinois University, Macomb,
Illinois 61455 (309/298-1106)
East
John Hardt, director of athletics, Bucknell University, Lewisburg,
Pennsylvania 17837 (570/577-3054)
John McCutcheon, director of athletics, University of Massachusetts,
Amherst,, Amherst, Massachusetts 01003 (413/545-9652)

But, is that the Playoff selection committee?

Yes.

[Hello Kitty]

Where did you hear that? It's been talked all year that fields is on the selection committee. Someone is wrong. I'm not sure how much it matters anyway due to Fields not able to even be in the room if the discussion of MSU comes up during selection Sunday.

This is straight from the NCAA:
(http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/f ... ndbook.pdf)
Sports Committee
[Reference: Administration and Management in the Division I General Section and Bylaws 31.1.1 and 31.1.2 in the NCAA Manual.]
The Division I-AA Football Championship is under the control, direction and supervision of the NCAA Division I-AA Football Committee. Current members of the committee are:
West
Tom Burman, director of athletics, Portland State University, Portland,
Oregon 97201 (503/725-2500)
Bobby Williams, director of athletics, Sam Houston State University,
Huntsville, Texas 77340 (936/294-4205)
South
Roachel Laney, assistant professor, Appalachian State University,
Boone, North Carolina 28608 (828/262-7154)
Lynn Thompson, director of athletics, Bethune-Cookman College,
Daytona Beach, Florida 32114 (386/481-2215)
Central
Don Kaverman, director of athletics, Southeast Missouri State University,
Cape Girardeau, Missouri 63701 (573/651-2229)
Tim Van Alstine, director of athletics, Western Illinois University, Macomb,
Illinois 61455 (309/298-1106)
East
John Hardt, director of athletics, Bucknell University, Lewisburg,
Pennsylvania 17837 (570/577-3054)
John McCutcheon, director of athletics, University of Massachusetts,
Amherst,, Amherst, Massachusetts 01003 (413/545-9652)

But, is that the Playoff selection committee?

Yes.

I dont belive you

[GrizinWashington]

If we beat the Friz, then we have a three way tie for the conference champaionship. EWU wins the tie breaker for 1st place, we should win the tie breaker for 2nd place. The Friz are out at 3rd place. I can not see how the Friz will be ranked higher by the selection committee (not the stupid polls) then the Cats. The way I see it, only EWU gets in or all three get in.

Another argument! I agree and won't give up the ship just yet either. How does the third place team get in over the second place team? All season long, MSU was said to have one of the toughest schedules in all of I-AA--how does that not help us in the end? If we pi$$ pound the #3 ranked grizzlies, does that move us higher in the RPI ratings?

Yes, it will undoubtedly move MSU up in the GPI (not RPI). But UM is currently #1 in the GPI, the Cats #19. There's no way it's going to change that much. And besides, as an at-large, you're not going to get in in front of a team with a better record and a higher GPI. How could anyone justify that? If it just went on head to head wins, the Griz BB team should have been in the Sweet 16 a few years ago after they defeated Stanford.

[tetoncat]

2304

Just read the comments by your fellow Griz. There is a disparity in what they say happens. If the Griz lose and are 3rd in the conference with losses to both MSU and EWU they should not get in over them based on preseason wins. This is where strenght of schedule should come into play by the selection committee. This is all we are suggesting. At that point it would not appear that they would be selecting the best team. This happened a couple years ago as well when they finished with tied conference records, the Cats win the auto and the Griz get to host while the cats go on the road. Reward the teams that finish the best in the tough conference schedule. This will be even more important when we add Northern Colorado and another conference game.

[thuss]

The NCAA will put the griz in regardless. The griz generate the most income out of any team in the 1-AA nation. Money is a driving force behind much of the decisions the directors make. Plus the GPI is a factor in the choices too.

[GrizinWashington]

2304

Just read the comments by your fellow Griz. There is a disparity in what they say happens. If the Griz lose and are 3rd in the conference with losses to both MSU and EWU they should not get in over them based on preseason wins. This is where strenght of schedule should come into play by the selection committee. This is all we are suggesting. At that point it would not appear that they would be selecting the best team. This happened a couple years ago as well when they finished with tied conference records, the Cats win the auto and the Griz get to host while the cats go on the road. Reward the teams that finish the best in the tough conference schedule. This will be even more important when we add Northern Colorado and another conference game.

Huh?? If you exclude nonconference games (not "preseason" games), why do we even keep score in those? And how would you select ANY at-large teams? And SOS is already taken into account in the GPI. That's why it's used, and that's why teams like 10-1 Coastal Carolina are well down the list in the GPI. But by your arugument, CC went undefeated in their conference, so they certainly should get the nod over the Cats. Likewise teams from the MEAC that only lost one conference game. Your argument is ludicrous IMO.

Personally, although I'd love to see 3 BSC teams in, I think it takes a miracle on the order of water-into-wine to get the Cats in. But of course, it's all acedemic unless they win anyhow.

[GrizinWashington]

But, is that the Playoff selection committee?[/quote]

Yes.[/quote]

I dont belive you [/quote]


That's your perogative. Perhaps you'll believe the NCAA? Here's a link to the 2005 NCAA Div I-AA Football Championship Handbook. You'll find the selection committee on page 8. Thanks for playing.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/f ... ndbook.pdf

[tetoncat]

DUUUUUUH:

Again you miss the point. I am not comparing our conference to other conferences. Since we do not play the same teams that is stupid. What I was saying is that should a 3rd. place conference team be selected over the #2 with the #1 getting the auto bid. If there records are similar i.e. within one loss the 2nd place should get in. If not then its being based solely on the nonconference schedule and GPI should count. I just do not see that that has happened in the past. The griz would get in being 5th in our league with a 8-2 record and 2 conference losses. Congrats to them for being able to fill the stadium. I just think that with losses at the end of the season to EWU and MSU they would not be selecting the better team. Can't make the arguments until Sat. PM though.

[Hello Kitty]

But, is that the Playoff selection committee?

Yes.[/quote]

I dont belive you [/quote]


That's your perogative. Perhaps you'll believe the NCAA? Here's a link to the 2005 NCAA Div I-AA Football Championship Handbook. You'll find the selection committee on page 8. Thanks for playing.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/f ... ndbook.pdf[/quote]

Let me tell something you may not know. when people use the on a message board it usualy means they are joking. which I was. Sooo..... egg on your face (just kidding)

[GrizinWashington]

But, is that the Playoff selection committee?

Yes.

I dont belive you [/quote]


That's your perogative. Perhaps you'll believe the NCAA? Here's a link to the 2005 NCAA Div I-AA Football Championship Handbook. You'll find the selection committee on page 8. Thanks for playing.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/f ... ndbook.pdf[/quote]


Let me tell something you may not know. when people use the on a message board it usualy means they are joking. which I was. Sooo..... egg on your face (just kidding)[/quote]

Sorry Kitty! I missed the smile!! Do Cats and Grizes smile at each other this week??

[twentythreeOh4]

2304

Just read the comments by your fellow Griz. There is a disparity in what they say happens. If the Griz lose and are 3rd in the conference with losses to both MSU and EWU they should not get in over them based on preseason wins. This is where strenght of schedule should come into play by the selection committee. This is all we are suggesting. At that point it would not appear that they would be selecting the best team. This happened a couple years ago as well when they finished with tied conference records, the Cats win the auto and the Griz get to host while the cats go on the road. Reward the teams that finish the best in the tough conference schedule. This will be even more important when we add Northern Colorado and another conference game.

You can talk all you want about what the committee should do and how it should reward teams based on the conference finish -- I'm telling you what the committee has done over and over again. Look at N. Iowa last year. They finished strong winning something like 5 in row, but they finished 7-4 with a I-A loss and missed the playoffs while 8-3 teams like Delaware, E. Washington and Northwestern St. made it.

[whitetrashgriz]

If we beat the Friz, then we have a three way tie for the conference champaionship. EWU wins the tie breaker for 1st place, we should win the tie breaker for 2nd place. The Friz are out at 3rd place. I can not see how the Friz will be ranked higher by the selection committee (not the stupid polls) then the Cats. The way I see it, only EWU gets in or all three get in.

If, and I do mean if, the cats some how are able to beat us come Saturday, you will get the opportunity to see how the Griz still get in and the cats once again get to stay home for t-day

in every sport there are message boards. and in every message board there are fans. and in every group of fans there is at least one person who thinks that they know everthing about the sport, and the team. and i'm one of the guys who disagrees. i am one who believes that there is far, far more that goes on within a team that us "fans" have any clue about. all we see are the plays called, the points scored, and the mistakes made. we dont see the players, their attitudes, their tendancies and weaknesses, the coaching staff's ideas, and the bond that happens with the team in the winter, spring, summer, workouts, fall, practices and preseason. i am one who 95% believes that the coach knows best. they are not perfect, but they know what they are doing, and they have there reasons for doing it. that being said, kramer says we are out, (which many of us thought) so i went from 98% sure we were out, to 99.9% sure that we are not in the playoffs. so, i want the cats to beat the living tar out of the griz, then i'll swallow my pride, and be pulling for your crappy team to do montana right! go cats!