wise words from hinkman

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:52 am

It took Don Read 10 seasons to build the Grizzlies into a champion, and that was without a national power across the state to compete against.

So let's turn down the rhetoric, realize where the Bobcats are now versus five, 10 or even 15 years ago, and be comforted by the longest stretch of winning seasons since the Sonny Holland/Sonny Lubick days.

And also realize it was ungrateful boosters that sent Holland, MSU's greatest coach, into retirement.

And got Lubick fired.

With one more weekend left in the season, try not to be like those people.

Get psyched up to annoy the Griz and your favorite opposing head coach.

And get ready to bid farewell to The Great Travis Lulay and his senior teammates, who despite their shortcomings this year and last, have accomplished more than any senior class in 20 years.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:59 am

Words of wisdom in my opinion. So many more positives over the past 5 years than any negatives. Kramer has built our expectations by giving us a consistantly winning program... he has met his promise of build enthusiasm into our program like it has not been for many years. Hey... big weekend... let's give Travis and Nick and others a GREAT send off! Hey Bozeman... and the state of Montana... GET BEHIND THE BOBCATS... STICK IT TO THE GRIZZLES!

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:24 pm

CatFamily wrote:
Words of wisdom in my opinion. So many more positives over the past 5 years than any negatives. Kramer has built our expectations by giving us a consistantly winning program... he has met his promise of build enthusiasm into our program like it has not been for many years. Hey... big weekend... let's give Travis and Nick and others a GREAT send off! Hey Bozeman... and the state of Montana... GET BEHIND THE BOBCATS... STICK IT TO THE GRIZZLES!

I'd counter that with 25 positives (plus 6 so far this season) and 34 negatives (plus 4 so far this season.

31 wins in 6 seasons.... nice start, but not good enough! Kramer got us out of the cellar, and brought respect back to the program, but he hasnt gotten us over the hump. If he hasnt done that in 6 years, if he hasnt done that with a 4 year starting QB... then when will he?

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:32 pm

Cat Pride wrote:
CatFamily wrote:
Words of wisdom in my opinion. So many more positives over the past 5 years than any negatives. Kramer has built our expectations by giving us a consistantly winning program... he has met his promise of build enthusiasm into our program like it has not been for many years. Hey... big weekend... let's give Travis and Nick and others a GREAT send off! Hey Bozeman... and the state of Montana... GET BEHIND THE BOBCATS... STICK IT TO THE GRIZZLES!
I'd counter that with 25 positives (plus 6 so far this season) and 34 negatives (plus 4 so far this season.

31 wins in 6 seasons.... nice start, but not good enough! Kramer got us out of the cellar, and brought respect back to the program, but he hasnt gotten us over the hump. If he hasnt done that in 6 years, if he hasnt done that with a 4 year starting QB... then when will he?

it took reid 10 years to get the griz where they are right now and i will bet you that it will take kramer about another 3-4 more to get the cats to a national title game. the difference between both schools although quite few, are that the griz can have a bad game from cole or jason and still win. we just witnessed what happens to the cats if TL has a bad game
take a look at next years team, IHO our only ? marks are at WR

most of our line is back
likewise with our starting rb, te, most of our D
carpenter, while not luley, is going to be good and have time to learn the system, if he does not know it already
we have hungery players pissed that they lost to eastern esp if they dont get into the playoffs

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:22 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:most of our line is back
likewise with our starting rb, te, most of our D
carpenter, while not luley, is going to be good and have time to learn the system, if he does not know it already
we have hungery players pissed that they lost to eastern esp if they dont get into the playoffs

Were we not saying essentially the same thing last year? Why do we have to keep saying... "wait until next year"

I am not calling for Kramer's job, but he damn well better start doing a better job preparing the kids for the job at hand and demand more from his staff than what we have seen these last 2 years.

Why did this team regress in Lulay's last 2 years instead of get better?

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:24 pm

Cat Pride wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:most of our line is back
likewise with our starting rb, te, most of our D
carpenter, while not luley, is going to be good and have time to learn the system, if he does not know it already
we have hungery players pissed that they lost to eastern esp if they dont get into the playoffs
Were we not saying essentially the same thing last year? Why do we have to keep saying... "wait until next year"

I am not calling for Kramer's job, but he damn well better start doing a better job preparing the kids for the job at hand and demand more from his staff than what we have seen these last 2 years.

Why did this team regress in Lulay's last 2 years instead of get better?

dude....chill...relax...have a stiff drink
these things take time to happen. yes we were saying the same things last year but last year we were completely rebuilding our d if you remember...

seems like you have a selelctive memory

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:57 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:yes we were saying the same things last year but last year we were completely rebuilding our d if you remember...

seems like you have a selelctive memory

And that was last year, what is this years excuse?

So next year when we go into Cat-Griz needing a win to get to 6-5 or 7-4 will you be saying... we had to rebuild our entire offense this year.... its okay to be mediocre.

After 6 years of the same coach, wouldnt you think we would have some depth established? How about some accountability from Kramer!

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:44 pm

Cat Pride wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:yes we were saying the same things last year but last year we were completely rebuilding our d if you remember...

seems like you have a selelctive memory
And that was last year, what is this years excuse?

So next year when we go into Cat-Griz needing a win to get to 6-5 or 7-4 will you be saying... we had to rebuild our entire offense this year.... its okay to be mediocre.

After 6 years of the same coach, wouldnt you think we would have some depth established? How about some accountability from Kramer!

We did. But, there are four players that were either projected at starters on defense or were going to get a lot of playing time that got injured before the season even started. Add in Zach Wolf at center and you've got one less tackle starting because Bolton would be there.
As if that weren't enough, we had three/four games where we had several injuries in key places. If we had the pre-season injured players in place during the season these injuries wouldn't have meant so much. But, as it were, they did.

FootballFan · Post by **FootballFan** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:18 pm

Every team has injuries, it's part of the game! Having good depth means overcoming some injuries and not using them as excuses.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:57 pm

Besides that, the injuries that came upon this team to Mac, Clive, Kolone, Bass (who I think you throw out the window since Groves is 2x the back).

Record before the defensive injuries: 1-2
L @ OSU
W v. SFA
L @ CP

Record during these injuries: 3-1
W v. NDSU
W v. ISU
W @ WSU
L @ PSU

Record after these injuries: 2-1 ??? and this includes playing the worst 2 teams in conference
W v. NAU
W v. Sac
L @ EWU

So make your own conclusions. Injuries are part of the game, and this team filled in adequately. 6-4 today is not due to injuries!

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:07 pm

If we win this game it will be 3 of 4 season for Travis Lulay, beating the GRIZ and being conference co-champs. 4 Winning seasons. 2 Playoff appearances. Did we expect more this year. It depends on who you are. Many talked of going with only the loss to OSU for the year. With the questions we had on D after the last 3 games last year that was very optimistic. Add in a ? running game and new WR's there was also concern from many realists. We have improved in that we won all of our home games and beat some very good teams. We have stayed level in that we do not compete as well on the road. If we win this week we will have losses to probably 2 playoff teams EWU and Cal Poly, a D1, and a tough PSU team on the road. Not a bad progression in my book. Remember that our Offense had two chances in PSU territory in the last 5 minutes and could not get it done. If they had, we would still be playing for the conf. championship and a playoff berth. Lets enjoy the improvements that have come around.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:08 pm

Last season, we lost 3 November games and missed the playoffs due in large part to a glaring lack of depth in the defensive secondary, IMO.

This season, we are going to miss the playoffs due in large part to a glaring lack of depth on the defensive line, IMO.

As has already been stated, injuries happen to every team. Having quality kids "waiting in the wings" is a huge factor in determining a team's success or failure, and IMO, our depth in certain areas has been wanting.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:30 pm

To get this program OVER THE HUMP you have to win all your home games and be at least .500 on the road. That is how you make the playoffs year in and year out. The road record MUST get better. 6 homes games should be 6 wins a year if the players/coaches/fans do their job. We are almost to that level now this year and I hope that it stays that way. The reason the Griz are in the playoffs EVERY year is because of this fact. They do not lose at home and are about .500 on the road.

We are getting there people! This program/fans need to have some goals for the future and we can do our part by filling that stadium every week up there! The 12th man is huge in football and can win games from just the noise alone. We win every game at home and that is 6 games right there.

WE MUST PROTECT OUR HOME TURF! Every perenial playoff team does that.

Here is to 6-0 this weekend at home! Lets get the 12th man going this weekend and win this thing!

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:49 pm

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:To get this program OVER THE HUMP you have to win all your home games and be at least .500 on the road. That is how you make the playoffs year in and year out. The road record MUST get better. 6 homes games should be 6 wins a year if the players/coaches/fans do their job. We are almost to that level now this year and I hope that it stays that way. The reason the Griz are in the playoffs EVERY year is because of this fact. They do not lose at home and are about .500 on the road.

We are getting there people! This program/fans need to have some goals for the future and we can do our part by filling that stadium every week up there! The 12th man is huge in football and can win games from just the noise alone. We win every game at home and that is 6 games right there.

WE MUST PROTECT OUR HOME TURF! Every perenial playoff team does that.

Here is to 6-0 this weekend at home! Lets get the 12th man going this weekend and win this thing!

Well said. Here's a chance to have the first undefeated home season since 1976. But the Cats need our help to make a whole heck of a lot of noise. So let's channel our frustrations toward the Grizzlies.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:16 pm

The 10 season thing is a little off since Papa Bear had the Griz playing in the Semi Finals in 90 with Grady as QB. So all in All Kramer should be in the Semi's at least this year or last.

BR GRIZ · Post by **BR GRIZ** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:37 pm

Actually Jagur, the Griz were in the semis in 1989, Read's fourth year at the helm.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:45 pm

Welll there you go that makes Kramer look even worse.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:53 pm

It's funny you mention that; Kramer got Eastern Washington to the Semi's in his 4th year there as well.

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:06 pm

& then.......

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:22 pm

I think Kramer -- who I'll admit to liking, BTW -- has the Cats going in the right direction. The key will be to sustain the momentum. I agree that if I were a Cat fan, I'd be tired of being "close" to the playoffs.

I also agree with the point about depth. Every team loses starters. The key is to move on without skipping a beat. That's one reason the Griz are successful year in and year out. 11 on 11, the Griz don't always have the best talent. But they are almost always the deepest team in the league, and you just don't see much drop-off when 2nd and 3rd teamers are in the game. That's not the case with other BSC teams.