Big Sky Refs

Catz Rock · Post by **Catz Rock** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:00 am

theblackgecko wrote:This was the best officiated game that I have seen in a long time, so get off the refs @$$es.

Are you serious? They were 50% responsible for the momentum change.

Were you wearing your rose colored griz glasses again?

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:19 am

I honestly can't think of a bad call that the refs made that game. I can think of a few penalties where they didn't make the call, but I would much rather have officials who let the kids play and don't call a lot of penalties compared to those who call penalties on seemingly every play.

The refs weren't the cause of momentum, our lack of a killer instinct is what caused the momentum change. We should have been up by over 30 at the half, and should have had the 2nd and 3rd stringers in the entire 4th quarter. And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:26 am

wbtfg wrote:I honestly can't think of a bad call that the refs made that game. I can think of a few penalties where they didn't make the call, but I would much rather have officials who let the kids play and don't call a lot of penalties compared to those who call penalties on seemingly every play.

The refs weren't the cause of momentum, our lack of a killer instinct is what caused the momentum change. We should have been up by over 30 at the half, and should have had the 2nd and 3rd stringers in the entire 4th quarter. And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Agreed. We should've manhandled these guys, and instead we let them back into the game. 22-0 at halftime was acceptable, and I was hoping for at least a 32-7 lead at the end of 3.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:48 pm

wbtfg wrote:I honestly can't think of a bad call that the refs made that game. I can think of a few penalties where they didn't make the call, but I would much rather have officials who let the kids play and don't call a lot of penalties compared to those who call penalties on seemingly every play.

The refs weren't the cause of momentum, our lack of a killer instinct is what caused the momentum change. We should have been up by over 30 at the half, and should have had the 2nd and 3rd stringers in the entire 4th quarter. And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Good points, but putting up with officiating mediocrity is sad.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:15 pm

The catch that set up NAU's final score was terrible. The guy caught it out of bounds. None the less the were terrible both ways.

The personal foul in the endzone for the safety was terrible as well.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:41 pm

Just wondering, but did anyone else think that Groves fumble was caused by the ground? I had a pretty good angle on it and he looked down to me.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:44 pm

CelticCat wrote:Just wondering, but did anyone else think that Groves fumble was caused by the ground? I had a pretty good angle on it and he looked down to me.

From the replay on the big screen, it looked like it was out before he was down.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:05 pm

Sorry guys.... but whether you think the BSC officials are good or bad... I have yet to ever see a game decided on a referees call. The teams decide the game and duing that game make mistakes and learn to overcome them. The nature of being human and an athelete or referee is you minimize mistakes and try to improve... but sad is the situation when that athelete (or official) should be thrown from the team or the game when they make a mistake. Granted... it is very frustrating when calls are blown... no more in my my mind then when a QB fumbles or throws and interception... a lineman blows a block or a LB misses the open field tackle. Now the one time any official should be castigated by the crowd is when they are being lazy or blow a penalty administration. No excuses for those. Hey... same for the athelete if he is being lazy...

So... not trying to defend the officials but trying to look at the reality of being in their shoes and making the tough calls. Can't have a game without them and hope the best thing they are is FAIR.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:42 pm

CatFamily wrote:Sorry guys.... but whether you think the BSC officials are good or bad... I have yet to ever see a game decided on a referees call. The teams decide the game and duing that game make mistakes and learn to overcome them. The nature of being human and an athelete or referee is you minimize mistakes and try to improve... but sad is the situation when that athelete (or official) should be thrown from the team or the game when they make a mistake. Granted... it is very frustrating when calls are blown... no more in my my mind then when a QB fumbles or throws and interception... a lineman blows a block or a LB misses the open field tackle. Now the one time any official should be castigated by the crowd is when they are being lazy or blow a penalty administration. No excuses for those. Hey... same for the athelete if he is being lazy...

So... not trying to defend the officials but trying to look at the reality of being in their shoes and making the tough calls. Can't have a game without them and hope the best thing they are is FAIR.

SAC game two years ago was basically decided on a ref's call - but it was at least a good call imo.

BobcatBulldog · Post by **BobcatBulldog** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:44 am

CelticCat wrote:Just wondering, but did anyone else think that Groves fumble was caused by the ground? I had a pretty good angle on it and he looked down to me.

We have all the game footage at our office and from looking at it from all the angles it is very hard to say and if it challenged in the NFL it would not have been overturned.

my opinion sadly is that it was a fumble because the you can see part of the ball coming out before he is down..

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:26 am

CatFamily wrote:Sorry guys.... but whether you think the BSC officials are good or bad... I have yet to ever see a game decided on a referees call. The teams decide the game and duing that game make mistakes and learn to overcome them...

I guess you didn't see the ISU game from 3 years ago, then, because the referees disallowed a Bobcat TD on the game's final play that WOULD HAVE meant a Bobcat victory. Unfortunately, refs CAN & DO cost teams games.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:48 am

BobcatBulldog wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Just wondering, but did anyone else think that Groves fumble was caused by the ground? I had a pretty good angle on it and he looked down to me.
We have all the game footage at our office and from looking at it from all the angles it is very hard to say and if it challenged in the NFL it would not have been overturned.

my opinion sadly is that it was a fumble because the you can see part of the ball coming out before he is down..

Am I wrong or was the NAU player's knee out of bounds when he cought the ball on the one that set up the last touchdown?

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:03 am

Ponycat wrote:
BobcatBulldog wrote:
CelticCat wrote:Just wondering, but did anyone else think that Groves fumble was caused by the ground? I had a pretty good angle on it and he looked down to me.
We have all the game footage at our office and from looking at it from all the angles it is very hard to say and if it challenged in the NFL it would not have been overturned.

my opinion sadly is that it was a fumble because the you can see part of the ball coming out before he is down..
Am I wrong or was the NAU player's knee out of bounds when he cought the ball on the one that set up the last touchdown?

If I am thinking of the same catch ( a come back caught at about the 2 or 3 yard line?) I questioned that catch as well. But, it was replayed on the "jumbotron" and you could see he had possession and one foot down before his knee hit.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:32 pm

El Gato, there is not a game where there weren't plays made or not made during the course of the game that would have made the difference. I just don't get into blaming the refs for a Win or Loss... just and excuse for the team not getting the job done the rest of the game. The refs aren't there to help or hurt us... just to call what they see the best they can. The teams decide the outcome of any game... they need to do the things during the game to take any "one play" decisions that could be made or missed out of the outcome. Any team leaving any outcome to "one close call" at the end is taking a chance. The human element will always make it interesting.