The Griz bandwagon is backing up for loading

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:29 pm

Gurnsey is from Tumwater Washington

JahGriz · Post by **JahGriz** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:47 pm

Thanks indahouse. Wow, the list reduces. We can't even get to 5 names?

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:54 pm

Rob Tesch, for sure, Mark Bragg, and Pat Carahasen weren't great but were MT kids.

JahGriz · Post by **JahGriz** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:21 pm

Tesch is the only name I know on that list. He got the job done. Not a super star but pretty good. Seems he made some things happen with big plays. Tough and scrappy, and pretty good speed.

VictorG · Post by **VictorG** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:42 pm

Now back to the topic...................who's backing what up?

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:32 pm

Jah I've been thinking about this and now that Billings Senior has finally started a throwing trend. More teams running a spread O in Montana will mean more throwing wich will help develope more Wideouts in the future...things just might start getting better in the wideout dept.

VictorG · Post by **VictorG** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:02 pm

What happened to the truck ?

anacondagriz · Post by **anacondagriz** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:05 pm

VictorG wrote:What happened to the truck ?

I think it broke down in front of Wolfman's house! He must be busy fixing it and that is why he has been MIA the last 2 weeks.

elkmcc · Post by **elkmcc** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:02 pm

JahGriz wrote:I'm talking Montana kids. What kids who were in H.S. in Montana were the best WRs in college at the I-AA or I-A level. Other than Bissell has any MT kid been on a I-A team as a WR, or even better, actually played WR for a I-A team. The list must be about as big as my little toe.
Watkins though is a start. I'm not sure I agree with your list of UM's best WR though elk. But opinions vary.

Anyway, so far the best WR's to come from MT and play Div I football, as given by other posters:
Turnquist
Watkins

So far the list doesn't bode well for assuming a WR prospect from MT will be great. There has to be others. What about Cockhill and Gurnsey. Both MT kids I believe, and WR's in college. That would make the list better, in fact so far Cockhill may be the best WR to come out of MT.

Cockhill is from Helena and he was a producer for MT in the early 90's for sure. Another name that hasn't been mentioned is Josh Paffhausen who was a backup qb but switched to WR when asked. I think if Josh had played WR from the start he would have been remembered as one of the great Griz WR's. Allen Green (Anaconda 1976) ala late 70's was All American at tight end and punter.

Out of curiousity Jah, if you don't agree with the 5 names I listed, just who would you drop, and what names would you replace them with? I might add Matt Wells but not at the expense of dropping one of the others.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:57 pm

I'd think Sam McCullum from Kalispell would have to be on that list, what with all his years with the Vikings and the Seahawks factored in to the argument. Think he was on the same team that produced Bill Kollar...

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:16 pm

Cat Grad wrote:I'd think Sam McCullum from Kalispell would have to be on that list, what with all his years with the Vikings and the Seahawks factored in to the argument. Think he was on the same team that produced Bill Kollar...

He was also a helluva a BB player in HS.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:07 am

I know the Fizzlies only want to talk about Montana kids, but Mark McGrath spent several years in the NFL also. May personal favorite was another Kalispell kid Erickson threw to--Bain. Made several catches like Murray has made this year.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:06 am

You Griz front-running fans aren't smart enough to jump on the "dump Hauck" bandwagon yet. It will take a few more losses to Div. II teams, or instant playoff elimination the first time the Griz actually have to play a road playoff game, before you'll realize how bad a coach Hauck is.

Hauck is 6-6 on the road. He played ALL of the top Big Sky teams at home this year, 'cept for the Cats. Do you think he could have beaten Weber, Cal Poly, or PSU on the road? No way. He'll lose to the Cats again. What will you say then?

Hauck can't coach. Simple as that.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:03 am

I'll say one thing Wolfman, you stick with your guns.

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:04 am

Wolfman, I tend to agree with you on somethings, but if you look at the history of the Griz in the playoffs, no coach, not even Read, had any success on the road in the playoffs.

JahGriz · Post by **JahGriz** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:36 pm

elkmcc wrote:Out of curiousity Jah, if you don't agree with the 5 names I listed, just who would you drop, and what names would you replace them with? I might add Matt Wells but not at the expense of dropping one of the others.

elk, I forgot about this thread. Anyway, regarding best UM WR you had:

1. Joe Douglass
2. Jimmy Farris
3. Jeremy Watkins
4. Jefferson Heidelberger
5. Jon Talmage

Which is tough to argue with. It is a tough call, and opionions can vary and each still be right in a way, I think.

I do think Douglass was the best with Farris second. 3, 4, and 5 I think can be argued. Here are a few guys who I think could slip into the top 5. But I can't decide who to remove, and who to put in. And on second look, I might even have to agree with your list. It might take some game tapes and deeper research to come up with a list.

Matt Wells
Shalon Baker
Raul Pacheco
Tanner Hancock
Billy Cockhill
Etu Molden

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Regarding the Montana WR sub-topic, the point about teams passing more these days is a great point. I should lead to better WR coming out of MT, time will tell. We've got a lot of MT WR's, so I hope time will tell very soon, that MT can consistantly produce WRs, instead of a spattering here and there.

anacondagriz · Post by **anacondagriz** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:40 pm

JahGriz wrote:
elkmcc wrote:Out of curiousity Jah, if you don't agree with the 5 names I listed, just who would you drop, and what names would you replace them with? I might add Matt Wells but not at the expense of dropping one of the others.
elk, I forgot about this thread. Anyway, regarding best UM WR you had:

1. Joe Douglass
2. Jimmy Farris
3. Jeremy Watkins
4. Jefferson Heidelberger
5. Jon Talmage

Which is tough to argue with. It is a tough call, and opionions can vary and each still be right in a way, I think.

I do think Douglass was the best with Farris second. 3, 4, and 5 I think can be argued. Here are a few guys who I think could slip into the top 5. But I can't decide who to remove, and who to put in. And on second look, I might even have to agree with your list. It might take some game tapes and deeper research to come up with a list.

Matt Wells
Shalon Baker
Raul Pacheco
Tanner Hancock
Billy Cockhill
Etu Molden

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Regarding the Montana WR sub-topic, the point about teams passing more these days is a great point. I should lead to better WR coming out of MT, time will tell. We've got a lot of MT WR's, so I hope time will tell very soon, that MT can consistantly produce WRs, instead of a spattering here and there.

I don't know how you can list the top 5 Griz receivers w/o Etu. Not only was a great player but also a great team leader. Would have to agree that Joe Douglass was hands down the best though.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:45 pm

Molden
Farris
Wells
Douglas
Paul Cooley
Ron Baines

grizband · Post by **grizband** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:54 pm

Wolfman wrote:Molden
Farris
Wells
Douglas
Paul Cooley
Ron Baines

They way he has stepped up in the absence of Talmage, Bagley could be establishing himself as a Griz great.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:05 pm

grizband wrote:They way he has stepped up in the absence of Talmage, Bagley could be establishing himself as a Griz great.

Are you serious? After all of 2 good games?! Give me a break! He played very poorly in the six games previous. Don't insult the great players that came before him by preemptively lumping him into that elite group after only two pretty decent games.