#JohnsonTrial

[wbtfg]

If Johnson was just a regular student at MSU, a non-athlete, and all this had transpired, this case would have never gone to court.

Prove it

[tampa_griz]

If Johnson was just a regular student at MSU, a non-athlete, and all this had transpired, this case would have never gone to court.

Prove it

Haha! Prove the hypothetical negative. I like it.

[tampa_griz]

I like the part in today's Missoulian summary where the rape expert and the prosecution start their case by saying, "the behavior by the accuser may seem odd, but.... ". Reminds me of every salesman that says, "What I'm about to offer you may seem crazy but just hear me out...."

[TomCat88]

The key thing, IMO,about the expert is that the prosecution said it brought him in for educational purposes and he presented himself as such, but he was obviously there to also aid the prosecution by explaining to the jury that rape victims often don't respond in rational ways and rapist aren't always the guy in the mask that breaks through the window. In effect, a rapist can by the shy, polite guy and victims don't always scream and fight back. The prosection needed to make sure the jury understands this and hears it from an expert. The defense wants to make it look like he's actually there to say the accused did rape the accuser and then discredit him in that regard.

The defense seems to have done a good job of presenting him to be a witness for the prosecution. A lot of observers bought that, I'm not so sure the jury did. I liked how someone on Twitter said that the defense did a good job getting him to admit that he hasn't studied the case. That tells me the defense did a good job with him, because that wasn't really an admission. No more than me admitting my screen name is TomCat88. If the defense was able to get a lot of viewers to look at him that way, then it may have done the same with the jurors, however, I would think that someone on the jury will point this out to their fellow jurors.

As long as the defense can bring any prosecution witness back down to 50-50 after the prosecution has them looking like a strong witness (80-20) for the accuser, they'll be successful in getting a not guilty verdict at the end of the day.

[lutecat]

The defense seems to have done a good job of presenting him to be a witness for the prosecution. A lot of observers bought that, I'm not so sure the jury did. I liked how someone on Twitter said that the defense did a good job getting him to admit that he hasn't studied the case. That tells me the defense did a good job with him, because that wasn't really an admission. No more than me admitting my screen name is TomCat88. If the defense was able to get a lot of viewers to look at him that way, then it may have done the same with the jurors, however, I would think that someone on the jury will point this out to their fellow jurors.

I'd be curious the difference, if any, of any, of the people at the trial vs. those of us following along on twitter. Was it the Lincoln/Douglas or Kennedy/Nixon debates where the people there and the people listening on the radio had a different idea of who won? It's easy to see something in print and assume it was answered in a certain way. And the reporters are limited in the amount of space to put the question and answers in a tweet. So what some see as a win for the defense could've been a couple minute answer that actually did sound reasonible to the jury. The other thing I've noticed is the bias of the person sending the tweet. The Kaimen calls Jane Doe the accuser(negative conotation), some call her Jane Doe, and some call her the alleged victim. I find Andrew Schmidt's tweets very interesting. Someone with a law background and a former player. I googled him and found that he is fortpeckgriz on egriz, from a previous post about his blog. On egriz, he seems very fair about this trial, but his tweets seem a little 'fellow griz football player" biased. Now the original post that I found about his blog....dude seems like a major tool. Maybe he's mellowed as he went through law school.

I think there is overwhelming proof that egrizzers want him to get off, not justice to be served whatever that happens to be. The best comeback TG's been able to come up with is that Cat fans don't want him on the field. Which holds no weight to me because I honestly don't see him ever seeing the field in Missoula again. If the verdict comes back not guitly or split, it doesn't matter. I know he's told people that he's staying, buy what's he going to say? I'm leaving and risk the loss of support from the community.

[[cat_bracket]]

If Johnson was just a regular student at MSU, a non-athlete, and all this had transpired, this case would have never gone to court.

While others believe if that were the case it would barely make the news and a lot less people would be siding with the defendant. Still, the verdict would be not guilty. Aside from an admission, about the only way to get a rape claim in a case like this to get a guilty verdict is to risk your life by resisting the rapist in hopes that he leaves some visible wounds on you and himself. Beau Donaldson wouldn't be in jail if he hadn't been taped admitting to it. Cold truth.

The defense needs very little evidence (letters, roommates not remembering if the victim had something to eat, which is my personal favorite), if any, to win a case like this. There's a lot riding on it for the defense, so there's a lot of pressure on them, but it's a fairly easy case for them to get a not guilty verdict.

[allcat]

If Johnson was just a regular student at MSU, a non-athlete, and all this had transpired, this case would have never gone to court.

While others believe if that were the case it would barely make the news and a lot less people would be siding with the defendant. Still, the verdict would be not guilty. Aside from an admission, about the only way to get a rape claim in a case like this to get a guilty verdict is to risk your life by resisting the rapist in hopes that he leaves some visible wounds on you and himself. Beau Donaldson wouldn't be in jail if he hadn't been taped admitting to it. Cold truth.

The defense needs very little evidence (letters, roommates not remembering if the victim had something to eat, which is my personal favorite), if any, to win a case like this. There's a lot riding on it for the defense, so there's a lot of pressure on them, but it's a fairly easy case for them to get a not guilty verdict.

But when he got caught admitting it. He became a stand up guy, or so I've been told.

[tampa_griz]

I think there is overwhelming proof that egrizzers want him to get off, not justice to be served whatever that happens to be. The best comeback TG's been able to come up with is that Cat fans don't want him on the field. Which holds no weight to me because I honestly don't see him ever seeing the field in Missoula again. If the verdict comes back not guitly or split, it doesn't matter. I know he's told people that he's staying, buy what's he going to say? I'm leaving and risk the loss of support from the community.

Yep! It was definitely me that started that and not you and another poster getting the rope wrapped around the axle so bad that it had to end with "I'm giving up on the logic of my argument because I keep getting it wrong so I'll just say it's Tampa trying to get his quarterback on the field". Thanks!

[tampa_griz]

Interesting exchange today that the accuser had to threaten her mother with silence in order to get her on her side.

Paoli: "Didn't you tell your mother to get on your side or you wouldn't have anything to do with her?"......
W: "Yes"

How does the defense know about this conversation? Did her mother tip them off?

[91catAlum]

Interesting exchange today that the accuser had to threaten her mother with silence in order to get her on her side.

Paoli: "Didn't you tell your mother to get on your side or you wouldn't have anything to do with her?"......
W: "Yes"

How does the defense know about this conversation? Did her mother tip them off?

The accuser took the stand again today?

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[SonomaCat]

If Johnson was just a regular student at MSU, a non-athlete, and all this had transpired, this case would have never gone to court.

Prove it

If you can prove I'm wrong, post it, or STFU. I would assume that someone with 10,000 posts between BN and eGriz would be a little more verbal.

Play nice. This isn't egriz.

[PapaG]

Perhaps I should have said "prove I'm wrong." Awaiting post #10,001.

You're the one who made the claim, aren't you?

Prove it. I've never posted on egriz, so you can't use that red herring on me.

Prove it.

The sad thing about this entire episode is how it is more about "team", and less about wanting to find out the truth.

[PapaG]

If Johnson was just a regular student at MSU, a non-athlete, and all this had transpired, this case would have never gone to court.

Prove it

If you can prove I'm wrong, post it, or STFU. I would assume that someone with 10,000 posts between BN and eGriz would be a little more verbal.

Play nice. This isn't egriz.

I find a Griz fan using the confederate flag as his avatar here to be an assumed troll, by the way.

"Hey, look at this poster on the Bobcat site using the confederate flag!"

[tampa_griz]

Perhaps I should have said "prove I'm wrong." Awaiting post #10,001.

You're the one who made the claim, aren't you?

Prove it. I've never posted on egriz, so you can't use that red herring on me.

Prove it.

The sad thing about this entire episode is how it is more about "team", and less about wanting to find out the truth.

Please don't pretend that's a one-way street. This whole story is one of the weirdest things I've ever read.

[MSU01]

This is the worst debate tournament I've ever seen!

For my part, I am [100/95/110%] sure that the trial [will/won't/might] end in a [conviction/acquittal/hung jury] because of the inconsistencies in the testimony of [Johnson/the alleged victim/the victim's friend/the Gwen Florio parody Twitter account]. I heard from a reliable source on [egriz/egriz/egriz] that it [is/isn't] possible for [rape/consensual sex/"getting to second base"] to happen in a situation like this anyway.

[bobcatmaniac]

I find it fascinating after following on twitter, then watching the news and reading the paper, (not surprising) that the newspaper and tv will release whatever parts of testimony they want, depending on what they want to have out there. Lawyers will pick apart whatever they want depending on what side they are on. Even those releasing "tweets" are saying what they think is important to know. My hope is that the jury, after hearing everything, will see that justice is served.

[cats2506]

I find it fascinating after following on twitter, then watching the news and reading the paper, (not surprising) that the newspaper and tv will release whatever parts of testimony they want, depending on what they want to have out there. Lawyers will pick apart whatever they want depending on what side they are on. Even those releasing "tweets" are saying what they think is important to know. My hope is that the jury, after hearing everything, will see that justice is served.

Yeah, I think its interesting to see the difference in tweets from the different reporters, you can definitely tell that the kamine (sp) is trying to spin things in JJ's favor, and the missoulian seems to be the other way, the others seem to be somewhere in the middle.

[MSU01]

I find it fascinating after following on twitter, then watching the news and reading the paper, (not surprising) that the newspaper and tv will release whatever parts of testimony they want, depending on what they want to have out there. Lawyers will pick apart whatever they want depending on what side they are on. Even those releasing "tweets" are saying what they think is important to know. My hope is that the jury, after hearing everything, will see that justice is served.

Which makes it pretty hilarious to me that people seem to be considering themselves legal experts to the point that they know how the trial will turn out, all based on the Twitter accounts they are following. Sheesh.

[CPrice91]

If Johnson was just a regular student at MSU, a non-athlete, and all this had transpired, this case would have never gone to court.

The only fact any given person can procure in this situation is that Missoula has a "star quarterback" going to trial for an alleged rape, and Bozeman has no such problem in contrast. Take your purely hypothetical hearsay elsewhere.

[MashTun]

Didn't see that this had been posted already.

JJ trial makes Good Morning America.

http://gma.yahoo.com/star-quarterback-a ... ories.html