Recruiting Montana High School Players

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:13 pm

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:Lydell, since one of the above players mentioned is your son, how much has he played? Also, is it safe to assume that you have now completely renounced your Cat loyalty despite being an MSU alum?

Although I too have been somewhat dismayed by Lydell's defection to the dark side

, I will have to back him up a little bit and point out that he didn't list his son with the players mentioned above.

I just think it is unfortunate that Lydell truly seems to dislike the Bobcats now - I have no problem with him rooting for the griz, that is understandable. I'm sure there is much more to the story than we know, but there seems to be some real animosity there.

spider · Post by **spider** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:18 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:Lydell, since one of the above players mentioned is your son, how much has he played? Also, is it safe to assume that you have now completely renounced your Cat loyalty despite being an MSU alum?
Although I too have been somewhat dismayed by Lydell's defection to the dark side , I will have to back him up a little bit and point out that he didn't list his son with the players mentioned above.

I just think it is unfortunate that Lydell truly seems to dislike the Bobcats now - I have no problem with him rooting for the griz, that is understandable. I'm sure there is much more to the story than we know, but there seems to be some real animosity there.

Who is Lydell's son?

Down With the Foe! · Post by **Down With the Foe!** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:29 pm

twentythreeOh4 wrote:
cornbreadfred wrote: Glenn recruited Hilliard to Montana and then left. If you look back Lex signed when Glenn was still there, Lex wanted to leave with Glenn to Wyoming, and Glenn wanted him to come, but Hauck would not release Lex of his scholarship/letter
That's funny, Glenn left for Wyoming in December, but the national signing day is in February...

Details..... Schmeeeetails....

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:45 pm

Down With the Foe! wrote:
twentythreeOh4 wrote:
cornbreadfred wrote: Glenn recruited Hilliard to Montana and then left. If you look back Lex signed when Glenn was still there, Lex wanted to leave with Glenn to Wyoming, and Glenn wanted him to come, but Hauck would not release Lex of his scholarship/letter
That's funny, Glenn left for Wyoming in December, but the national signing day is in February...
Details..... Schmeeeetails....

Cornbread's analysis of the Hilliard recruitment is totally accurate. Signing day is irrelevant. Hilliard commited to Joe Glenn, and did indeed try to follow him to Wyoming.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:56 pm

grizindahouse, what did my post about Hauck's able as a recruiting genius have anything personal about Bobby in it? Your post is BS. I have said anything which shows personal dislike for Bobby. I have said that he has an uptight personality. Does that qualify as a "personal" thing?

I'm sure he might be a great guy if he was your friend. I don't know the man, so I can not comment about his personal life.

My gripe with him is totally that he was unqualified to have this job, and it shows by his performance. Furthermore, I find his lack of communication skills with alumni, fans, and the media to be almost embarassing. And, I do not his penchant for blaming his players instead of taking the blame himself when things go wrong (remember the Snyder KO to Corey Smith, or the fake punt on 4th-and-24 by Johnson versus Sam Houston?). Finally, I do not like his penchant for hiring buddies and relatives as assistants. Too much in-breeding and nepotism.

Other that these concerns, i'm sure he's a great dude!

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:23 pm

spider wrote:
BozoneCat wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:Lydell, since one of the above players mentioned is your son, how much has he played? Also, is it safe to assume that you have now completely renounced your Cat loyalty despite being an MSU alum?
Although I too have been somewhat dismayed by Lydell's defection to the dark side , I will have to back him up a little bit and point out that he didn't list his son with the players mentioned above.

I just think it is unfortunate that Lydell truly seems to dislike the Bobcats now - I have no problem with him rooting for the griz, that is understandable. I'm sure there is much more to the story than we know, but there seems to be some real animosity there.
Who is Lydell's son?

I don't think that is my place to say on here. If Lydell wants to comment, that is his prerogative. I know that I appreciate my level of anonymity on these boards, and he probably does too.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:29 pm

Wolfman wrote:Cornbread's analysis of the Hilliard recruitment is totally accurate. Signing day is irrelevant. Hilliard commited to Joe Glenn, and did indeed try to follow him to Wyoming.

I can't believe I am defending a griz here, but I think twentythreeohfour has a very valid point. Hilliard never signed anything while Glenn was still at UM, correct me if I'm wrong. Verbal committments are non-binding, as UM has two kids who broke verbal committments to other schools (Kain to EWU, Carlson to MSU). I do agree that Glenn was the person who recruited Lex to UM, but if Lex had wanted to follow him to Wyoming, I don't see why he couldn't have.

Now, the situation I'm guessing is that Lex wanted to transfer to Wyoming after his first year, and Bobby wouldn't release his scholarship. That would make a lot more sense, and is more in line with what I have heard.

BTW Wolfman, are you "Roaring" over at the UGMB? I just got done reading the thread about the satellite broadcasts, found it very interesting. I think you make some great points, and I am glad to see that MSU is finally making up some ground with our broadcasts.

Lydell · Post by **Lydell** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:34 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:Lydell, since one of the above players mentioned is your son, how much has he played? Also, is it safe to assume that you have now completely renounced your Cat loyalty despite being an MSU alum?
Although I too have been somewhat dismayed by Lydell's defection to the dark side , I will have to back him up a little bit and point out that he didn't list his son with the players mentioned above.

I just think it is unfortunate that Lydell truly seems to dislike the Bobcats now - I have no problem with him rooting for the griz, that is understandable. I'm sure there is much more to the story than we know, but there seems to be some real animosity there.

Animosity? Really? I don't think so. The post above was merely an exercise in objectively debating a point. Nothing more or less was intended. I had a few emotional responses years ago, but I try to refrain from that now. I re-read my post and all I tried to do was state mostly facts to make a point. Did I really sound angry? If so, state why so I can correct my demeanor.

Lookit....I rooted hard for the Cats for 30+ years, then life threw me a curve ball. I'm rooting for the Griz right now. Then later maybe I'll root for Slippery Rock State, I dunno. I can't tell the future. Thankfully the curve ball is minimal......not like an earthquake, hurricane, or cancer. I hope I got 20+ years left to live, so I can see a few more ball games. For the moment I just hope those D-II players can beat EWU this weekend.

No animosity intended. Bozone, your posts on this thread have mostly been right-on.

cornbreadfred · Post by **cornbreadfred** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:42 pm

twentythreeOh4 wrote:
cornbreadfred wrote: Glenn recruited Hilliard to Montana and then left. If you look back Lex signed when Glenn was still there, Lex wanted to leave with Glenn to Wyoming, and Glenn wanted him to come, but Hauck would not release Lex of his scholarship/letter
That's funny, Glenn left for Wyoming in December, but the national signing day is in February...

check your facts. i personally talked with lex and glenn about this, and both said what i did. that lex wanted out, glenn wanted him, and hauck would not let him go

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:42 pm

Lydell wrote:Animosity? Really? I don't think so. The post above was merely an exercise in objectively debating a point. Nothing more or less was intended. I had a few emotional responses years ago, but I try to refrain from that now. I re-read my post and all I tried to do was state mostly facts to make a point. Did I really sound angry? If so, state why so I can correct my demeanor.

Lookit....I rooted hard for the Cats for 30+ years, then life threw me a curve ball. I'm rooting for the Griz right now. Then later maybe I'll root for Slippery Rock State, I dunno. I can't tell the future. Thankfully the curve ball is minimal......not like an earthquake, hurricane, or cancer. I hope I got 20+ years left to live, so I can see a few more ball games. For the moment I just hope those D-II players can beat EWU this weekend. No animosity intended. Bozone, your posts on this thread have mostly been right-on.

I didn't mean animosity in regards to this thread, I guess I was thinking about those posts from the past. You didn't sound angry or anything like that at all in this thread.

I still can't even begin to understand how you can bring yourself to root for the griz, though!

I can't think of one single thing that could possibly cause me to root for the griz (of course, I don't have children yet). That said, I would pay for my son to go to school at Montana State before I would ever let him play for the griz!

twentythreeOh4 · Post by **twentythreeOh4** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:08 am

cornbreadfred wrote:
twentythreeOh4 wrote:
cornbreadfred wrote: Glenn recruited Hilliard to Montana and then left. If you look back Lex signed when Glenn was still there, Lex wanted to leave with Glenn to Wyoming, and Glenn wanted him to come, but Hauck would not release Lex of his scholarship/letter
That's funny, Glenn left for Wyoming in December, but the national signing day is in February...
check your facts. i personally talked with lex and glenn about this, and both said what i did. that lex wanted out, glenn wanted him, and hauck would not let him go

Yup, National signing day is in February -- on the first Wednesday of the month. Glenn got hired in December weeks before the signing day and weeks before Lex signed with the Griz. Those are the facts.

Down With the Foe! · Post by **Down With the Foe!** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:25 am

twentythreeOh4 wrote:
cornbreadfred wrote:
twentythreeOh4 wrote:
cornbreadfred wrote: Glenn recruited Hilliard to Montana and then left. If you look back Lex signed when Glenn was still there, Lex wanted to leave with Glenn to Wyoming, and Glenn wanted him to come, but Hauck would not release Lex of his scholarship/letter
That's funny, Glenn left for Wyoming in December, but the national signing day is in February...
check your facts. i personally talked with lex and glenn about this, and both said what i did. that lex wanted out, glenn wanted him, and hauck would not let him go
Yup, National signing day is in February -- on the first Wednesday of the month. Glenn got hired in December weeks before the signing day and weeks before Lex signed with the Griz. Those are the facts.

Yaaaaaaaaaa!!!

a verbal is a verbal People (non-binding)

Every year a "verbal" flips to another college on signing day...get your facts straight.

I don't care about he said she said.

It's a joke....wake up.

Hellloooo....Hello, Mcflyyyyy!

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:39 am

cornbreadfred wrote:check your facts. i personally talked with lex and glenn about this, and both said what i did. that lex wanted out, glenn wanted him, and hauck would not let him go

Are you sure that you aren't talking about Lex transferring to Wyoming after his first year at UM, rather than signing with UW initially? I think your time-scale is just off, and if you think about it, you will realize what you are saying.

I don't blame Hauck for not letting Lex go. I wouldn't have either.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:27 pm

Bozone, I don't post on that board. Not sure what you are referring to about the "satellite thing".

I guess i'll have to go through it chronologically, for the posters who are read-between-the-lines challenged. Here is the sequence of the Hilliard recruiting thing.

1) Hilliard verbally commits to UM in the fall of his senior season
2) Hilliard thinks very seriously about breaking his commitment and following Glenn to Wyoming, but is talked out of it by his father. Hauck breathes a big sigh of relief.
3) After participating in Bobby's boot camp atmosphere during summer practice his freshman year, Hilliard contacts Glenn and expresses his desire to transfer there. Glenn welcomes him with open arms.
4) Bobby refuses to release Hilliard.

5) Hilliard stays at UM, making his father very happy.

Is clear enough for the "protectors of the Griz Envy Flame"?

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:50 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
Lydell wrote:Animosity? Really? I don't think so. The post above was merely an exercise in objectively debating a point. Nothing more or less was intended. I had a few emotional responses years ago, but I try to refrain from that now. I re-read my post and all I tried to do was state mostly facts to make a point. Did I really sound angry? If so, state why so I can correct my demeanor.

Lookit....I rooted hard for the Cats for 30+ years, then life threw me a curve ball. I'm rooting for the Griz right now. Then later maybe I'll root for Slippery Rock State, I dunno. I can't tell the future. Thankfully the curve ball is minimal......not like an earthquake, hurricane, or cancer. I hope I got 20+ years left to live, so I can see a few more ball games. For the moment I just hope those D-II players can beat EWU this weekend. No animosity intended. Bozone, your posts on this thread have mostly been right-on.
I didn't mean animosity in regards to this thread, I guess I was thinking about those posts from the past. You didn't sound angry or anything like that at all in this thread.

I still can't even begin to understand how you can bring yourself to root for the griz, though! I can't think of one single thing that could possibly cause me to root for the griz (of course, I don't have children yet). That said, I would pay for my son to go to school at Montana State before I would ever let him play for the griz!

Bozone,
I look forward to the day when you do have children.

I swear my oldest son waits to hear who I cheer for and then picks the polar opposite; yes unfortunately he has been swayed to the dark side

I try to tell friends that I"m letting him just find his way on his tastes. To which they respond "you might as well let him try crack to see if he likes that"

What's a guy to do?

cornbreadfred · Post by **cornbreadfred** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:15 pm

Wolfman wrote:Bozone, I don't post on that board. Not sure what you are referring to about the "satellite thing".

I guess i'll have to go through it chronologically, for the posters who are read-between-the-lines challenged. Here is the sequence of the Hilliard recruiting thing.

1) Hilliard verbally commits to UM in the fall of his senior season
2) Hilliard thinks very seriously about breaking his commitment and following Glenn to Wyoming, but is talked out of it by his father. Hauck breathes a big sigh of relief.
3) After participating in Bobby's boot camp atmosphere during summer practice his freshman year, Hilliard contacts Glenn and expresses his desire to transfer there. Glenn welcomes him with open arms.
4) Bobby refuses to release Hilliard.

5) Hilliard stays at UM, making his father very happy.

Is clear enough for the "protectors of the Griz Envy Flame"?

Thanks for spelling it out to everyone, very nice and clear

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:57 pm

barechestcat wrote:Bozone,
I look forward to the day when you do have children. I swear my oldest son waits to hear who I cheer for and then picks the polar opposite; yes unfortunately he has been swayed to the dark side

I try to tell friends that I"m letting him just find his way on his tastes. To which they respond "you might as well let him try crack to see if he likes that"

What's a guy to do?

LOL!!!

That crack comment had me rolling!

gtapp · Post by **gtapp** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:15 am

In the last five years Montana has produced 14 1st Team All BSC performers out of 130 selections. That is just over 10% of our 1st teamers come from Montana. Average is three per year (2 for UM and 1 for MSU). We all want MT kids at MSU and UM but how important is it to win the in-state recruiting battle? Notice no speed guys (WR and Cornerback).

1-DT
2-Safeties
2-LB's
2-DE
1-RB
2-TE's
3-OL
1-QB (Edwards)