Most Successful FCS Program Of The Last 25 Years

[ilovethecats]

bottom line is the griz have been a great program over the last quarter century. can't take that from them. cats have been pretty successful in the grand scheme of things but when you live a couple hundred miles from one of the best teams in the country...perception gets skewed.

don't see the need for people to beat their chests about it though. griz are good. few deny that. but you're not going to change the minds of cat fans and make us start liking them because you talk yourself up.

however, we're talking about a dude who spells killers like this (killerZ) and had a pic of him flexing as his first avatar. be tough to find a bigger meathead.

[Cu-Ag-Au]

[quote="[cat_bracket]"]Way to frame it... in the best possible light...If you don't like to live in the past, then to almost every neutral observer MSU is currently considered the better team. So all that work over all those years and you're not as good as MSU.

2011.

[Cu-Ag-Au]

ilovethecats: Gotta give you credit, but you sound like a used car salesman. Here's your opening: frame it so MSU looks like the Most Successful FCS Program of the past ____ years. That's only fair. God knows they've had some damn good teams.

[ilovethecats]

ilovethecats: Gotta give you credit, but you sound like a used car salesman. Here's your opening: frame it so MSU looks like the Most Successful FCS Program of the past ____ years. That's only fair. God knows they've had some damn good teams.

um....what? i hardly mentioned msu. and certainly didn't frame anything. i'm confused.

[Cu-Ag-Au]

Agreed. Tell us how great the Cats are, as a FCS program in the last 25 years. If 25 years is not to your liking, state the parameters for us.

[LTown Cat]

Agreed. Tell us how great the Cats are, as a FCS program in the last 25 years. If 25 years is not to your liking, state the parameters for us.

I believe his point was this
"UM has been good, possibly the best in FCS, for the past 25 years, but................nobody here gives a flying &*ck!"

Does that help?

[ilovethecats]

Agreed. Tell us how great the Cats are, as a FCS program in the last 25 years. If 25 years is not to your liking, state the parameters for us.

actually, i was saying how great the griz have been. i used the parameters of the last 25 years because the title of this thread is "most successful fcs program of the last 25 years". after discussing how good the griz have been, i went on to say that the cats have had a decent amount of success compared to the hundred plus other fcs teams in the country, but it's hard to see that when you are down the road from such a successful team. and i concluded by saying that while the griz have been very good, i don't see the purpose of pounding your chests as it won't change any of us from cat fans to griz fans.

not sure why my post was confusing?

[09griz]

Way to frame it to put UM in the best possible light. But even by doing that they still come out fourth out of those teams. UM struggled mightily to win road games and caught numerous breaks when teams they would've played on the road choked in early rounds. UM's first round home losses to WIU, Poly and Wofford also blemish their record.

As for including MSU, UM and MSU have been on even ground (not a NAIA vs. PAC 10) since the inception of the Big Sky Conference. UM has an edge during that time. Both teams have won two national titles, UM has a 19-14 edge in conference titles and has a 28-21 series edge during that time. Both teams appeared in two Cameillia Bowls with MSU going 1-1 and UM 0-2. UM has a wide lead in post-season appearances during that time frame, but that is bolstered somewhat by expanded playoffs.

If you don't like to live in the past, then to almost every neutral observer MSU is currently considered the better team. So all that work over all those years and you're not as good as MSU.

I lol'd at this ^^

[09griz]

Agreed. Tell us how great the Cats are, as a FCS program in the last 25 years. If 25 years is not to your liking, state the parameters for us.

I believe his point was this
"UM has been good, possibly the best in FCS, for the past 25 years, but................nobody here gives a flying &*ck!"

Does that help?

At least this guys honest

[09griz]

Agreed. Tell us how great the Cats are, as a FCS program in the last 25 years. If 25 years is not to your liking, state the parameters for us.

actually, i was saying how great the griz have been. i used the parameters of the last 25 years because the title of this thread is "most successful fcs program of the last 25 years". after discussing how good the griz have been, i went on to say that the cats have had a decent amount of success compared to the hundred plus other fcs teams in the country, but it's hard to see that when you are down the road from such a successful team. and i concluded by saying that while the griz have been very good, i don't see the purpose of pounding your chests as it won't change any of us from cat fans to griz fans.

not sure why my post was confusing?

No confusion here.

By the way good freakin memory on my first avatar. I was new to forums haha give me a break!

[ilovethecats]

Agreed. Tell us how great the Cats are, as a FCS program in the last 25 years. If 25 years is not to your liking, state the parameters for us.

actually, i was saying how great the griz have been. i used the parameters of the last 25 years because the title of this thread is "most successful fcs program of the last 25 years". after discussing how good the griz have been, i went on to say that the cats have had a decent amount of success compared to the hundred plus other fcs teams in the country, but it's hard to see that when you are down the road from such a successful team. and i concluded by saying that while the griz have been very good, i don't see the purpose of pounding your chests as it won't change any of us from cat fans to griz fans.

not sure why my post was confusing?

No confusion here.

By the way good freakin memory on my first avatar. I was new to forums haha give me a break!

just messing with you man. you're one of the good ones.

[bigkid]

I have a good idea. Lets start a "new game" this November. There is noway one can compare the cats and Griz over the past couple of decades and I agree there is no way to convince any cat fans otherwise. The past is the past and we had a heck of a run but we start a new season. cat fans think they are the real deal and Griz fans are looking forward to see what we salvaged. One thing I believe will happen is the new generation of Griz players are gonna be ready to go in a week as I'm sure the new and improved cats will. We aren't expected to do well....you are. Come Nov. 17 all will be left on the table. One last thing I'll mention is................we're pretty good! Heres to a injury free season and another BSC Championship decided on Nov 17.
Go Griz!!

[MashTun]

Griz football ... Est. 1986

Absolutely hilarious how the typical fan of of fiz starts FB history around this time frame.

It's like they're taught it somewhere

[[cat_bracket]]

That was me that made the comment about "framing" the discussion. griz09 and Cu-Nt-Ag-Au came here to talk your team's history up and ruffle some feathers, so I just blew back at you. What did you expect exactly?

How about Most Successful BSC Program the last two years? Or Biggest Choker in CFB history? I think the Grizzlies have lost more national championship games than any team in IAA/FCS (or any division?) history and are 2-7 all-time. They were undefeated in 69 and 70, but got blown out (30-3; 31-16) by NDSU in the Camellia Bowl both times with their Jack Swarthout no-work, work study teams. Also took the worst beating in I-AA title game history when Marshall smoked them. What was it 36-6 at halftime? Had a late lead on JMU, but coughed it up, got roughed by Richmond 24-3 and blew a big, early lead against Nova.

Otherwise you might want to wait until the NCAA, DOJ, DOE are all done. It could be difficult to make this claim if that doesn't go favorably. Not to mention the Hogan book-cooking incident and the aforementioned Swarthout scandal. That's quite a record you're running on.

Hey, lets wait until everyone is watching and then implode on national TV. Aren't you glad you brought this up?

[09griz]

Way to frame it to put UM in the best possible light. But even by doing that they still come out fourth out of those teams. UM struggled mightily to win road games and caught numerous breaks when teams they would've played on the road choked in early rounds. UM's first round home losses to WIU, Poly and Wofford also blemish their record.

As for including MSU, UM and MSU have been on even ground (not a NAIA vs. PAC 10) since the inception of the Big Sky Conference. UM has an edge during that time. Both teams have won two national titles, UM has a 19-14) edge in conference titles and has a 28-21 series edge during that time. Both teams appeared in two Cameillia Bowls with MSU going 1-1 and UM 0-2. UM has a wide lead in post-season appearances during that time frame, but that is bolstered somewhat by expanded playoffs.

If you don't like to live in the past, then to almost every neutral observer MSU is currently considered the better team. So all that work over all those years and you're not as good as MSU.

The FCS or Div I-aa wasn't even created until 78. That would be the farthest back you go to crown the best FCS or Div I-aa team of all time. The fact that you have to go back before the creation of Div I-aa football to get your statistics is laughable...and kinda sad

Since the birth of the DIV I-aa in 1978, taking everything of relevance into consideration and given a numerical value the ranking is;
#1 GSU 1020
#2 Montana 840
#3 App. State 650
#4 Youngstown State 620
#5 Delaware 590

#18 Stephen F. Austin 190
#19 Montana State 185
#20 Florida A&M 180

Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... n_US&gid=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Apperantly your compiling your stats from 1963 and stoping at some point then restarting or something...not following your mental gymnastics so I'll make it easy and start at 63(inception of the big sky)

Team totals since 1963 (inception of the big sky conference)

Total wins: since 63
Montana 362
Montana State 268

Montana "edge": 94 games





National championships-runner ups-total appearances since 63
Montana: 2-5-7
Montana State 1 Div I-aa 2*-0-2* ( also a Div II championship and a comilia bowl win, whatever the ****** that is)

Notice the *? Thats because one of your titles isn't a Div I-aa title

Montana edge: 5 more appearances in the Div I-aa championship game and one more Div I-aa championship





Playoff births since 63
Montana: 21
MSU: 6

Playoff wins since 63
Montana: 32
MSU: 5

Montana edge: 15 more playoff appearances and 27 more playoff wins...






Conference champs since 1963
Montana: 19
MSU: 13

Edge: 6

So going back beyond the time of relevance to 1963 Montana dominates MSU.

Try just counting your playoff years and not Montana's. Then I suppose you could have a chance...

[allcat]

Did you lose your way trying to find egritz?

[09griz]

That was me that made the comment about "framing" the discussion. griz09 and Cu-Nt-Ag-Au came here to talk your team's history up and ruffle some feathers, so I just blew back at you. What did you expect exactly?

How about Most Successful BSC Program the last two years? Or Biggest Choker in CFB history? I think the Grizzlies have lost more national championship games than any team in IAA/FCS (or any division?) history and are 2-7 all-time. They were undefeated in 69 and 70, but got blown out (30-3; 31-16) by NDSU in the Camellia Bowl both times with their Jack Swarthout no-work, work study teams. Also took the worst beating in I-AA title game history when Marshall smoked them. What was it 36-6 at halftime? Had a late lead on JMU, but coughed it up, got roughed by Richmond 24-3 and blew a big, early lead against Nova.

Otherwise you might want to wait until the NCAA, DOJ, DOE are all done. It could be difficult to make this claim if that doesn't go favorably. Not to mention the Hogan book-cooking incident and the aforementioned Swarthout scandal. That's quite a record you're running on.

Hey, lets wait until everyone is watching and then implode on national TV. Aren't you glad you brought this up?

This guy wins the title for top mental gymnast.


Somehow you've made youself believe National championship appearances are bad.....

As for your choking stitch, the bobcats rarely make national tv but when they do they.....wait for it....CHOKE worse

-see MSU vs SHSU 2011

Don't think the 2010 first round was nationally televised... Lucky for you

".............when was the next nationally televised game the cats were in??

-06 quarterfinal choke to app. State who Montana is 2-0 against on national tv.....

Can't find anymore nationally televised cat games...


Notable recent UM nationally televised games

2011 loss um vs SHSU respectable showing
2011 win um vs northern Iowa quarter final
2009 loss to villanova respectable showing
2009 win app vs um semi final (most viewed FCS game in the history of the division)
2009 win Stephen f Austin vs um

2008 loss to Richmond (choke)

2008 win #1 JMU vs Montana @ JMU
2008 win weber vs Montana quarter final

Having multiple espn games most years against top ranked competition of coarse we're going to lose some. Montana's winning pct. on national tv is higher than MSU's so who chokes???

I like your logic though; It's better to never compete in order to never lose... Good mentality

[09griz]

Did you lose your way trying to find egritz?

egritz. Cuz it's like Griz but gritz....nice

Yeah sorry, I don't know what made me wander into cat land. Must be the anticipation of getting the season started and stoking the rivalry fire a little.

Gotta do it every once in a while.

[Hawks86]

Did you lose your way trying to find egritz?

egritz. Cuz it's like Griz but gritz....nice

Yeah sorry, I don't know what made me wander into cat land. Must be the anticipation of getting the season started and stoking the rivalry fire a little.

Gotta do it every once in a while.

I can see one reason to start this thread and it has nothing to do with rivalry.

[[cat_bracket]]

UM and MSU got into equal standing in 1963 at the inception of the BSC. Prior to that MSU for the most part played in the RMAC, which for a while had Utah, USU, BYU, Wyoming and others. It quickly dwindled down to MSU, Colo. Sch of Mines, Ft. Lewis, etc. Meanwhile UM played in the PCC with USC, UW, WSU, IU, UCLA, etc. So in reality everything, not just wins, prior to 1963 was tilted in UM's favor. UM won 42 games to MSU's 14 with some ties prior to the BSC, but that was like Butte playing Butte Central in football. Basically a stacked deck.

In 1963-77 the BSC may have been Division II, but that's because there was no such thing as I-AA or FCS. In fact, DII was arguably a better division than the FCS/IAA since it included most of the teams that are now in the MAC, ConfUSA and Sunbelt. So discounting MSU's Division II championship is an effort in futility since Division II at worst was just another name for IAA/FCS. The only loss the '76 team suffered was at Fresno State. MSU went undefeated in the league and 12-1 overall and beat NDSU twice, Hawaii, and finally Akron in the championship game. A lot of people still consider this to be the best team in Big Sky Conference history.

MSU has won 14 BSC titles and 5 RMAC titles, including one (1938) when BYU, Utah, etc. were still member. MSU also went undefeated in the RMAC twice when those larger teams were members, but was not awarded a co-championship or you could say we have 7 RMAC titles and 21 overall. The 14th BSC title you're missing is the 1982 title. That isn't posted on the BSC website because your old head coach complained that MSU was awarded a co-championship when it lost to both teams that it had tied for first. Several years later in 2005, UM was tied for first with MSU and EWU, but lost to both. Your coach complained again this time because he didn't want to lose their string of consecutive championships and were gunning to tie whoever held the record. So either UM has 18 and MSU has 13 or it's 19-14.

Way to frame it to put UM in the best possible light. But even by doing that they still come out fourth out of those teams. UM struggled mightily to win road games and caught numerous breaks when teams they would've played on the road choked in early rounds. UM's first round home losses to WIU, Poly and Wofford also blemish their record.

As for including MSU, UM and MSU have been on even ground (not a NAIA vs. PAC 10) since the inception of the Big Sky Conference. UM has an edge during that time. Both teams have won two national titles, UM has a 19-14) edge in conference titles and has a 28-21 series edge during that time. Both teams appeared in two Cameillia Bowls with MSU going 1-1 and UM 0-2. UM has a wide lead in post-season appearances during that time frame, but that is bolstered somewhat by expanded playoffs.

If you don't like to live in the past, then to almost every neutral observer MSU is currently considered the better team. So all that work over all those years and you're not as good as MSU.

The FCS or Div I-aa wasn't even created until 78. That would be the farthest back you go to crown the best FCS or Div I-aa team of all time. The fact that you have to go back before the creation of Div I-aa football to get your statistics is laughable...and kinda sad

Since the birth of the DIV I-aa in 1978, taking everything of relevance into consideration and given a numerical value the ranking is;
#1 GSU 1020
#2 Montana 840
#3 App. State 650
#4 Youngstown State 620
#5 Delaware 590

#18 Stephen F. Austin 190
#19 Montana State 185
#20 Florida A&M 180

Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... n_US&gid=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Apperantly your compiling your stats from 1963 and stoping at some point then restarting or something...not following your mental gymnastics so I'll make it easy and start at 63(inception of the big sky)

Team totals since 1963 (inception of the big sky conference)

Total wins: since 63
Montana 362
Montana State 268

Montana "edge": 94 games





National championships-runner ups-total appearances since 63
Montana: 2-5-7
Montana State 1 Div I-aa 2*-0-2* ( also a Div II championship and a comilia bowl win, whatever the ****** that is)

Notice the *? Thats because one of your titles isn't a Div I-aa title

Montana edge: 5 more appearances in the Div I-aa championship game and one more Div I-aa championship





Playoff births since 63
Montana: 21
MSU: 6

Playoff wins since 63
Montana: 32
MSU: 5

Montana edge: 15 more playoff appearances and 27 more playoff wins...






Conference champs since 1963
Montana: 19
MSU: 13

Edge: 6

So going back beyond the time of relevance to 1963 Montana dominates MSU.

Try just counting your playoff years and not Montana's. Then I suppose you could have a chance...