Quit your pissing and moaning

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:01 am

This goes for Griz fans as well (I being one of them). First off, I'd like to reiterate how disappointing both teams were this weekend. Yes, the Griz won, yippie, the Cats got smoked, so on and so forth. The problem is, the Big Sky has become the floor matt for the GWC.

The Griz are obviously struggling this year, but then again, they were last year at this time too... only with their defense. The Cats have probably one of the most talented teams I've seen them with in years, but the Cats have this curse of shooting themselves in the foot. I think it's a good thing you play the Bison in Bozeman because you are playing a team with more talent than Cal Poly. I think you will bounce back in the comforts of your own house against the Bison.

Like I said, one of the best teams the cats have had in years, and their game against Cal Poly was a shocker to me. I wonder if the Sky is falling this year. Were we overhyped as a conferance?

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:26 pm

Shakermaker wrote:This goes for Griz fans as well (I being one of them). First off, I'd like to reiterate how disappointing both teams were this weekend. Yes, the Griz won, yippie, the Cats got smoked, so on and so forth. The problem is, the Big Sky has become the floor matt for the GWC.

The Griz are obviously struggling this year, but then again, they were last year at this time too... only with their defense. The Cats have probably one of the most talented teams I've seen them with in years, but the Cats have this curse of shooting themselves in the foot. I think it's a good thing you play the Bison in Bozeman because you are playing a team with more talent than Cal Poly. I think you will bounce back in the comforts of your own house against the Bison.

Like I said, one of the best teams the cats have had in years, and their game against Cal Poly was a shocker to me. I wonder if the Sky is falling this year. Were we overhyped as a conferance?

Some very good points - we might have the makings of a reasonable Griz poster

I would tend to agree, however, I do think EWU was not overrated. The next 3 weeks will show what this conf is made of, methinks

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:44 pm

Shakermaker wrote:This goes for Griz fans as well (I being one of them). First off, I'd like to reiterate how disappointing both teams were this weekend. Yes, the Griz won, yippie, the Cats got smoked, so on and so forth. The problem is, the Big Sky has become the floor matt for the GWC.

The Griz are obviously struggling this year, but then again, they were last year at this time too... only with their defense. The Cats have probably one of the most talented teams I've seen them with in years, but the Cats have this curse of shooting themselves in the foot. I think it's a good thing you play the Bison in Bozeman because you are playing a team with more talent than Cal Poly. I think you will bounce back in the comforts of your own house against the Bison.

Like I said, one of the best teams the cats have had in years, and their game against Cal Poly was a shocker to me. I wonder if the Sky is falling this year. Were we overhyped as a conferance?

Was the sky falling last year when the Griz got throttled by Sam Houston State? Oooops, I guess not eh?

BWahlberg · Post by **BWahlberg** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:29 pm

Shakermaker, do a little bit of research 1st. Although I didn't do it, an SDSU fan posted on egriz that over the last year the GWC conference has only won 1 more game than the Big Sky in head-to head match-ups. In fact, this year Big Sky teams have won 4 of 7 matchups.

It was posted by 89rabbit here's the link http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10199

The total comes to GWC winning 11 of 21 matchups, not really what I would call being a floor mat to their conference.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:32 am

Yes, and take out Cal Poly and what is the record

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:40 am

Re/Max Griz wrote:Shakermaker, do a little bit of research 1st. Although I didn't do it, an SDSU fan posted on egriz that over the last year the GWC conference has only won 1 more game than the Big Sky in head-to head match-ups. In fact, this year Big Sky teams have won 4 of 7 matchups.

It was posted by 89rabbit here's the link http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10199

The total comes to GWC winning 11 of 21 matchups, not really what I would call being a floor mat to their conference.

I think you are missing my point Re/Max. If the Cats lose, and they very well could, the Bison are talented, and if Cal Poly is for real as well, then 2 of the top three teams are looking at potential losses.

Let's face it, the GWC was in their first year and did well against the Big Sky last year. After Montana, Montana State, and Eastern Wash who do we really have that is going to make any kind of an impact this year? The opperative word is THIS year.

The Bison are looking good, Cal Poly doesn't need any introduction for Cat fans, and SDSU held us to 7 meaning they must have been a bit under rated by many a Griz fan. I think UNC could beat half of our conferance this year. The only thing I was trying to say was the GWC is a solid conferance thus far, this year, with what we have seen. We have the Big 3 in the Big Sky. Some may argue ISU, but talent or not, they're the Mike Tyson of the Big Sky. They some how find some way to self destruct on or off the field.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:46 am

Shakermaker wrote:...and SDSU held us to 7 meaning they must have been a bit under rated by many a Griz fan...

Actually, SDSU will probably end up 4th or 5th in the 6-team Great West Conference, which means it's more of a case of the Griz being OVER-rated than SDSU being under-rated, IMO.

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:53 am

El_Gato wrote:
Shakermaker wrote:...and SDSU held us to 7 meaning they must have been a bit under rated by many a Griz fan...
Actually, SDSU will probably end up 4th or 5th in the 6-team Great West Conference, which means it's more of a case of the Griz being OVER-rated than SDSU being under-rated, IMO.

Well, I suppose. We might be over-rated, this is true, but IMO the Cats will be either 2 or 3 in the Sky. I don't see them winning the sky over the Eagles. And if the Griz O starts and ends like the D did last year... "IF," then you'll be sitting at number three. Fill in the 1 and 2 spots for yourself.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:23 am

Pretty early to make predictions. Just read that EWU lost Trufant and two ends indefinitely--probably season ending injuries. Still like our depth this year and firmly believe that'll serve us well into December.

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:26 am

Cat Grad wrote:Pretty early to make predictions. Just read that EWU lost Trufant and two ends indefinitely--probably season ending injuries. Still like our depth this year and firmly believe that'll serve us well into December.

Very True Cat Grad. I hate doing the prediction thing, but find myself getting drawn into it from time to time. It's not as bad as arm chair QBing though.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:39 am

I know we want the Cats to win every game (and in a perfect world they would

and we've had to put up with a tremendous amount of b.s. for 20 years because of circumstances beyond all our control (thank God Fullerton has had the good fortune to screw up as bad as he did to get promoted to the point of destroying the conference

We appear to have the people in place to have restored our school's credibility and yeah, Saturday night I was not a happy camper either. Sunday after I sobered up, I realized it's just a game and this staff will fix everything that went wrong to the best of their ability and our kids won't dare meet the wrath of the Huge Human if they have a repeat of their inablility to concentrate again.

I really look for a huge offensive explosion and a defense that sends the Green and Gold jinx back to Fargo not realizing what hit them. Think we'll all view the Poly game as a good wake up call in December

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:10 am

Shakermaker wrote:After Montana, Montana State, and Eastern Wash who do we really have that is going to make any kind of an impact this year?

PSU is definately a darkhorse - i am dreading the trip to PGE park....

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:15 am

The Griz may be lucky to finish #3 in the Big Sky. As good as their defense is, their offense is worse than that. No one can expect their defense to pitch a shutout every week. They are on the field so much that they will incur injuries to key starters as the season goes along. Their defense will wear down.

They could easily lose to ISU and/or NAU on the road. They will lose to EWU, and could lose to PSU. I think Cal Poly spanks them, although it is not a conference call.

Hauck, recruiting genius that he is, has left the cupboard bare at QB. Not too smart. The Griz will pay this year, and next year too unless they can find a QB during the off-season.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:30 am

The beauty of the Big Sky in 2005 is that other than Weber & Sac, I won't be surprised to see ANY team beat any other team (with the exception of NAU over dUMb; as long as Sauers is in Flagstaff, the Griz will ALWAYS get at least 1 conference win

).

We all know what we expect of MSU, EWU, dUMb, and PSU, but I think even ISU has shown the explosiveness to surprise people at this point. NAU will be NAU, they'll win 2 they shouldn't and lose 2 they shouldn't and finish as high as 3rd or as low as 6th...

Eastern started the year with a suspect defense; if they're losing starters this early to injury, they are in serious trouble. I really don't look at them as the odds-on favorite to win the title right now. In a month, MAYBE we'll have a better feel for who the best team in the conference is but right now, the good news is that both Bobcat & griz fans can feel good about their chances...

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:54 am

Wolfman wrote:The Griz may be lucky to finish #3 in the Big Sky. As good as their defense is, their offense is worse than that. No one can expect their defense to pitch a shutout every week. They are on the field so much that they will incur injuries to key starters as the season goes along. Their defense will wear down.

They could easily lose to ISU and/or NAU on the road. They will lose to EWU, and could lose to PSU. I think Cal Poly spanks them, although it is not a conference call.

Hauck, recruiting genius that he is, has left the cupboard bare at QB. Not too smart. The Griz will pay this year, and next year too unless they can find a QB during the off-season.

Well, I believe Cal Poly and SDSU play this weekend (I may have gotten that one mixed up). It could be an indicator. This weekend may be a make or breaker for the Cats. Granted it's not a Big Sky foe, but the Cats may have to revamp their D or O if they lose and NDSU shouldn't be a cake walk... even in Bozeman.

Cats 21- NDSU 17

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:00 pm

El_Gato wrote:The beauty of the Big Sky in 2005 is that other than Weber & Sac, I won't be surprised to see ANY team beat any other team (with the exception of NAU over dUMb; as long as Sauers is in Flagstaff, the Griz will ALWAYS get at least 1 conference win :wink: ).

We all know what we expect of MSU, EWU, dUMb, and PSU, but I think even ISU has shown the explosiveness to surprise people at this point. NAU will be NAU, they'll win 2 they shouldn't and lose 2 they shouldn't and finish as high as 3rd or as low as 6th...

Eastern started the year with a suspect defense; if they're losing starters this early to injury, they are in serious trouble. I really don't look at them as the odds-on favorite to win the title right now. In a month, MAYBE we'll have a better feel for who the best team in the conference is but right now, the good news is that both Bobcat & griz fans can feel good about their chances...

Don't forget Sac State as an auto-win for the Griz.

As odd as it seems, I'd take the 'Cats to win the 'Sky, coming off the loss to Cal-Poly. I left Eastern for dead after the loss to San Jose State, and I stand by my prediction that Eastern doesn't have what it takes to win in Wash-Griz. Not only that, but games against Cal-Poly and UC Davis might be too much for Eastern to handle, especially as the season goes along. I called Eastern paper thin in the preseason (the excuse for the SJSU loss is Kimble being hurt, demonstrating the lack of depth), and that really benefits a Bobcat team that gets them very late in the season.
The Griz should be good enough to be most of the teams in the conference, but winning in Reno H. Sales will not be an easy task. I'm not going to doom and gloom on the Griz, who will beat everyone remaining at home, and Sac/Nau on the road, just saying that playing in Bozeman has an effect on the favorite for conference champ.
That means the Bobs looks good to win the conference, this week, although the team is likely to lose to at least one team from the bottom of the 'Sky.

Of course, I reserve the right to update my picks after another week of games to update my analysis.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:49 pm

In reference to the Conference schedule only:

The griz won't lose at home this year. Not with the depth on their D. They might drop 2 at the most on the road, and one of those would have to be to the Cats.

The Cats, as usual, could go .500 easily, and just as easily lose only one game prior to Cat/Griz.

PSU will kick butt in September and into October, and then, per usual, do their late season fade.

CSUS is the big "bracket buster" this year. The given? They'll hand the game to the griz in the late going...

NAU, Weber, and ISU? I put them in the CSUS category.

That said, I predict Cat-Griz to be for the auto-bid this year. I guess the question is, will the Cats be part of the auto-bid deal, or not?

I haven't been on the EWU bandwagon. They could easily lose at least 2 road games in conference.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:45 am

I'll take that bet. They will lose at least one at home - Poly, Eastern, PSU.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:25 am

Eastern? no way. PSU will be lucky to find Missoula. I hope you are right, and I look like an idiot.

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:56 am

With injuries, EWU is unpredictable at best. Aren't they at ISU this weekend? Could be an 0-1 start to the conference for EWU. PSU is tough to gauge too, haven't they played two I-A teams. ISU is a sleeper for sure, or Kentucky really sux.

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