JOEY THOMAS and the Packers

Post by **rtb** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:03 pm

I am watching the game today and Carroll is making a great case for Joey to get more playing time. Already two penalties on Carroll. Here's to Joey getting in and making us proud!

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:07 pm

Are you kidding me? Did that overrated (and soon to be demoted) Carroll start the game?

Post by **rtb** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:09 pm

I believe so....I missed the first three plays of the game, but so far Joey has only been in during the Nickel package. Carroll has been in more than Joey, but that won't last too long.

Post by **rtb** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:35 pm

Great pass break-up by Joey!! Excellent timing. He is proving himself well so far!

Post by **rtb** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:02 pm

4th penalty on Carroll....Joey should be the starter next week.

WYCAT · Post by **WYCAT** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 4:59 pm

You would think the coaching staff would give Joey a chance after all Carroll has done to disprove himself. But then again, I thought that a lot last season as well..............

Post by **kmax** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:08 pm

From packersnews.com ( http://www.packersnews.com/archives/new ... 1745.shtml )

Carroll likely to be benched

By Dylan B. Tomlinson
PackersNews.com

On Sunday, the referees called Green Bay Packers cornerback Ahmad Carroll for four penalties. On Monday, it was coach Mike Sherman’s turn to throw the flag at Carroll.

Sherman and Carroll met Monday to discuss Carroll’s play, and while Sherman wouldn’t reveal what was said in the meeting, every indication is that Carroll was benched.

“He and I met this morning and talked about the game and talked about how that part of the game cannot be and talked about next week,” Sherman said. “I’m not going to say today. We talked about all that stuff, and he’s very well aware of what’s at stake here.”

When Carroll spoke on Monday, he sounded like a player who had been benched.

“We can’t be out there playing with penalties. If I’m not starting this weekend, that’s the whole emphasis,” Carroll said. “He wants somebody out there who is not going to get penalties.”

Asked how he feels about being benched, Carroll said he doesn’t care.

“It doesn’t bother me at all, because I can still have a good game,” Carroll said. “I graded out pretty good (from the Detroit game).”

Defensive coordinator Jim Bates agreed there were times in Sunday’s game when Carroll outplayed the receivers he was covering, but all that is negated when a player is as much of a liability as Carroll has become.

“It’s not the coaching,” Bates said. “It’s a concentration thing. He had several good plays where he just dominated the receivers. We just have to get him out of the grabbing and the hitting to the facemask.”

Bates has coached for 37 years and said he has never seen a player penalized as much as Carroll.

“No,” Bates said. “We’re going to have penalties at the line of scrimmage as much as we bump, but I’ve never had the kind of numbers (of penalties) that we’ve had.”

On Monday, Sherman was asked why he didn’t bench Carroll after the penalties. He said that during the game, he initially thought Carroll was being treated unfairly by the referees.

“I thought on the field, they were ticky-tacky, not penalties. I didn’t see all of them. Two of them I saw,” Sherman said. “If you reach out and grab somebody and pull them, yeah. I see Al Harris do the same thing and not get called. I see (Carroll) do the same thing and get called. I see their DBs do it to our guys and not get called and I see Ahmad Carroll get called. I’m not defending him. As I said to him, he has a history and that history lives with him. There is no excuse.”

For a player who is just entering his second season in the NFL, Carroll does indeed have a history. In 14 games last season, Carroll was flagged 16 times.

“I have a reputation because of last year,” Carroll said. “The other coaches always tell the referees, ‘No. 28 does a lot of hands to the face, so be out there looking for him.’”

Bates said a reputation of being penalty-prone can stay with a player for a long time.

“Anytime a person gets that stigma, it’s going to be something that will follow him until it’s corrected,” Bates said.

With Carroll headed to the bench, Joey Thomas will replace him in the starting lineup. Before training camp began, Thomas appeared to have the inside edge on the starting job, but that changed during training camp when Thomas was out with injuries.

Bates said he has no doubts that Thomas can step in and be effective.

“He’s improved his play steadily every week,” Bates said. “He’s ready to step in anytime we make the call.”

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:15 pm

Kind or ironic, isn't it? Joey might get to start because the guy in front of him has a reputation with the refs that causes him to draw a lot of flags.

Post by **kmax** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:27 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:Kind or ironic, isn't it? Joey might get to start because the guy in front of him has a reputation with the refs that causes him to draw a lot of flags.

I completely agree.
http://www.bobcatnation.com/bobcatboard ... 3013#33013

You know, I guess after over 2200 posts we should have expected you would have run out of original things to say.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:36 pm

Damn ... you know how hard I've been working to come up with new material on all sorts of bizarre topics, and then to stub my toe on something like this? It's heartbreaking ... it really is. I -- I can't even talk right now ... I'm going to go, I don't know, work or something.

Post by **kmax** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:39 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:Damn ... you know how hard I've been working to come up with new material on all sorts of bizarre topics, and then to stub my toe on something like this? It's heartbreaking ... it really is. I -- I can't even talk right now ... I'm going to go, I don't know, work or something.