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East Coast - End Of The World?!?!?

Post by TIrwin24 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:42 am

I understand the paranoia after 9/11 and whatnot. But, I seriously think the people that ENR interviewed here are absolutely retarded. #-o

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MINERAL, Va. - One of the strongest earthquakes ever recorded on the East Coast shook buildings and rattled nerves from South Carolina to New England on Tuesday and forced the evacuations of parts of the Capitol, White House and Pentagon.

There were no immediate reports of deaths, but fire officials in Washington said there were at least some injuries. The U.S. Geological Survey said the quake registered magnitude 5.8 and was centered 40 miles northwest of Richmond, Va.

Two nuclear reactors at the North Anna Power Station, in the same county as the epicenter, were automatically taken off line by safety systems, said Roger Hannah, a spokesman for the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

The earthquake came less than three weeks before the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, and in both Washington and New York it immediately triggered fears of something more sinister than a natural disaster.

At the Pentagon, a low rumbling built until the building itself was shaking, and people ran into the corridors of the complex. The shaking continued there, to shouts of "Evacuate! Evacuate!"

The Park Service closed all monuments and memorials on the National Mall, and ceiling tiles fell at Reagan National Airport outside Washington. All flights there were put on hold.

In lower Manhattan, the 26-story federal courthouse in lower Manhattan, blocks from ground zero of the Sept. 11 attacks, began swaying, and hundreds of people streamed out of the building.

Workers in the Empire State Building spilled into the streets, some having descended dozens of flights of stairs.

"I thought we'd been hit by an airplane," said one worker, Marty Weisner.

Another, Adrian Ollivierre, a 28-year-old accountant who was in his office on the 60th floor when the quake struck, said: "I thought I was having maybe a heart attack, and I saw everybody running. I think what it is, is the paranoia that happens from 9/11, and that's why I'm still out here - because, I'm sorry, I'm not playing with my life."

Shaking was felt as far south as Charleston, S.C., and as far north and east as Martha's Vineyard, Mass., where President Barack Obama is taking summer vacation and was starting a round of golf when the quake struck at 1:51 p.m. EDT.

A magnitude of 5.8 would make the quake among the most powerful to strike the eastern United States. In 1897, a magnitude-5.9 quake was recorded at Giles County, Va., the largest on record in that state.

East Coast earthquakes are far less common than in the West, but they tend to be felt over a broad area.

"The waves are able to reverberate and travel pretty happily out for miles," said U.S. Geological Survey seismologist Susan Hough.

Amtrak said its trains along the Northeast Corridor between Baltimore and Washington were operating at reduced speeds and crews were inspecting stations and railroad infrastructure before returning to normal.

More than 12 million people live close enough to the quake's epicenter to have felt shaking, according to the Geological Survey. The agency said put the quake in its yellow alert category, meaning there was potential for local damage but relatively little economic damage.

The USGS said the quake was 3.7 miles deep.

The Virginia quake came a day after an earthquake in Colorado toppled groceries off shelves and caused minor damage to homes in the southern part of the state and in northern New Mexico. No injuries were reported as aftershocks continued Tuesday.

In Charleston, W.Va., hundreds of workers left the state Capitol building and employees at other downtown office buildings were asked to leave temporarily.

"The whole building shook," said Jennifer Bundy, a spokeswoman for the state Supreme Court. "You could feel two different shakes. Everybody just kind of came out on their own."

In Ohio, where office buildings swayed in Columbus and Cincinnati and the press box at the Cleveland Indians' Progressive Field shook. At least one building near the Statehouse was evacuated in downtown Columbus.

In downtown Baltimore, the quake sent office workers into the streets, where lamp posts swayed slightly as they called family and friends to check in.

Social media site Twitter lit up with reports of the earthquake from people using the site up and down the U.S. eastern seaboard.

"People pouring out of buildings and onto the sidewalks and Into Farragut Park in downtown DC...," tweeted Republican strategist Kevin Madden.

John Gurlach, air traffic controller at the Morgantown Municipal Airport was in a 40-foot-tall tower when the earth trembled.

"There were two of us looking at each other saying, `What's that?'" he said, even as a commuter plane was landing. "It was noticeably shaking. It felt like a B-52 unloading."

Immediately, the phone rang from the nearest airport in Clarksburg, and a computer began spitting out green strips of paper - alerts from other airports in New York and Washington issuing ground stops "due to earthquake."


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Re: East Coast - End Of The World?!?!?

Post by Grizlaw » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:32 am

TIrwin24 wrote:I understand the paranoia after 9/11 and whatnot. But, I seriously think the people that ENR interviewed here are absolutely retarded. #-o
The thing you have to understand is that, in the back of their minds, most New Yorkers know that, at some point in the future, there probably will be another terrorist attack on the city. You can take all the precautions you can to try to be prepared for it, but the fact is that if you're working on the 50th floor of a building and something happens, there's a pretty good chance that you're going to die. So yeah, when you're on a high floor of a skyscraper and the building starts shaking, people freak out. I'm not sure I see what's "retarded" about that.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I kind of feel like 9/11 wasn't really "real" to a lot people outside of NY area. You say you "understand the paranoia," but you clearly really don't understand it. When I still worked in the city, I was in the MetLife building, which is probably one of the more likely buildings to be hit (after the Empire State building and Chrysler building, and maybe a few others). I don't know if anyone remembers this, but a few years ago there was a huge underground explosion a few blocks away from there, and a huge cloud of steam went up in the air. It turned out that a steam pipe had exploded, but when it happened, everyone assumed a bomb had gone off, and a lot of us (including me, I'm not ashamed to admit) were scared sh*tless. Were we all "retarded," too?


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Re: East Coast - End Of The World?!?!?

Post by TIrwin24 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:52 am

Grizlaw wrote:
TIrwin24 wrote:I understand the paranoia after 9/11 and whatnot. But, I seriously think the people that ENR interviewed here are absolutely retarded. #-o
The thing you have to understand is that, in the back of their minds, most New Yorkers know that, at some point in the future, there probably will be another terrorist attack on the city. You can take all the precautions you can to try to be prepared for it, but the fact is that if you're working on the 50th floor of a building and something happens, there's a pretty good chance that you're going to die. So yeah, when you're on a high floor of a skyscraper and the building starts shaking, people freak out. I'm not sure I see what's "retarded" about that.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I kind of feel like 9/11 wasn't really "real" to a lot people outside of NY area. You say you "understand the paranoia," but you clearly really don't understand it. When I still worked in the city, I was in the MetLife building, which is probably one of the more likely buildings to be hit (after the Empire State building and Chrysler building, and maybe a few others). I don't know if anyone remembers this, but a few years ago there was a huge underground explosion a few blocks away from there, and a huge cloud of steam went up in the air. It turned out that a steam pipe had exploded, but when it happened, everyone assumed a bomb had gone off, and a lot of us (including me, I'm not ashamed to admit) were scared sh*tless. Were we all "retarded," too?
Go back an re-read the article GL. ENR has a history of pretty good reporting, but to quote people saying, "I thought I was having a heart-attack" and "I thought we'd been hit by an airplane" is just piss poor journalism.

Your event that you mentioned has no relevance whatsoever to this event, so I'm not going to comment on the stupid argument you're trying to conjure up.

I could really care less on whether or not you think I or anybody else can understand paranoia in NY. You have no idea where I was or what was happening in my life during 9/11 so don't make completely uninformed, idiotic statements like that.


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Re: East Coast - End Of The World?!?!?

Post by Grizlaw » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:08 am

TIrwin24 wrote:Go back an re-read the article GL. ENR has a history of pretty good reporting, but to quote people saying, "I thought I was having a heart-attack" and "I thought we'd been hit by an airplane" is just piss poor journalism.
If I was in the Empire State Building and it suddenly started shaking, I might think it had been hit by an airplane, too. Why is that idiotic?
TIrwin24 wrote: Your event that you mentioned has no relevance whatsoever to this event, so I'm not going to comment on the stupid argument you're trying to conjure up.
The event I mentioned illustrates the mindset of a typical New Yorker when things like this happen. How is that not relevant?
TIrwin24 wrote:I could really care less on whether or not you think I or anybody else can understand paranoia in NY. You have no idea where I was or what was happening in my life during 9/11 so don't make completely uninformed, idiotic statements like that.
You're right; I don't know you. Why don't you enlighten me, then? If you think your own life experiences are relevant to this discussion, why don't you tell us about them instead of just attacking me?


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Post by ilovethecats » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:12 am

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Post by TIrwin24 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:25 am

If I was in the Empire State Building and it suddenly started shaking, I might think it had been hit by an airplane, too. Why is that idiotic?
Keyword here: "might"
This article was written to entertain, rather than to report the facts. I imagine you're a rational person GL; so you'd (as any rational person would) go through a quick list of the most apparent possibilities in your head before you go screaming to a reporter that you thought the building was getting hit by an airplane.
The event I mentioned illustrates the mindset of a typical New Yorker when things like this happen. How is that not relevant?
The event didn't take place in New York. Sure, they felt some light shaking but the report made it sound like everyone was screaming like Chicken Little and it was the end of the world.
Here's what the USGS reported from NY:
"The USGS classified the quake in the New York metro area as a category IV which has "light shaking" and "no damage."
You're right; I don't know you. Why don't you enlighten me, then? If you think your own life experiences are relevant to this discussion, why don't you tell us about them instead of just attacking me?
I am not the topic of discussion here. I posted an opinion about a news article and that's it. Live with it.


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Post by gtapp » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:11 am

I Love Earthquakes. We have had a few down here the last few years but only one got the house swinging. I actually enjoy them. They really are not that big of deal. Now Tornado's scare the crap out of me!!!


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Post by Grizlaw » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:52 am

TIrwin24 wrote:Keyword here: "might"
This article was written to entertain, rather than to report the facts. I imagine you're a rational person GL; so you'd (as any rational person would) go through a quick list of the most apparent possibilities in your head before you go screaming to a reporter that you thought the building was getting hit by an airplane.
If you've ever been in a situation like this before, then you know that when it happens, you don't "go through a quick list" of anything. You get the f*ck out of the building, and think about it later. And if, right afterward, a reporter were to ask me what I was thinking, I very well might say something like "I thought we had been hit by an airplane." (You're probably right that I wouldn't be "screaming" that at the reporter, though; that's not really how I roll. But then, I doubt the person quoted in the article was actually screaming, either.)
TIrwin24 wrote: The event didn't take place in New York. Sure, they felt some light shaking but the report made it sound like everyone was screaming like Chicken Little and it was the end of the world.
Here's what the USGS reported from NY:
"The USGS classified the quake in the New York metro area as a category IV which has "light shaking" and "no damage."
Well, I work about 30 miles north of Manhattan now, and we felt it up here. I don't want to make any more wild assumptions about where you were yesterday, but I assume you weren't anywhere in the area, so the fact that you're arguing with me about whether it was or wasn't reasonable for anyone in NY to react the way they did is, frankly, pretty strange.
TIrwin24 wrote:I am not the topic of discussion here. I posted an opinion about a news article and that's it. Live with it.
You made yourself the topic of discussion when you attacked me for making what you claim was a bad assumption about where you were or what you were doing on 9/11. If you won't (or can't) explain why my assumption was bad, then STFU.


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Post by TIrwin24 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:14 pm

I could really care less on whether or not you think I or anybody else can understand paranoia in NY. You have no idea where I was or what was happening in my life during 9/11 so don't make completely uninformed, idiotic statements like that.
If you actually consider that an "attack" on you, then I'm done here. ](*,)

I'm going to heed the advice from your signature and realize that it's worthless trying to argue with you.


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TIrwin24 wrote:If you actually consider that an "attack" on you, then I'm done here. ](*,)

I'm going to heed the advice from your signature and realize that it's worthless trying to argue with you.
Well, bye. :lol:


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Post by kmax » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:24 pm

Good God, even the usually sane and reasonable posters have gone off the deep end. It's official, longest....offseason.....ever.


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Post by Grizlaw » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:41 pm

kmax wrote:Good God, even the usually sane and reasonable posters have gone off the deep end.
If someone makes a statement they can't support as part of a ham-handed attempt at insulting me (or attacking a statement I made...however you want to characterize it), I'm going to call them on it. If doing so constitutes "going off the deep end," then I guess I've always been off the deep end. :roll:


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Post by tampa_griz » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:22 pm

I'm working in Philadelphia this week on the 43rd floor of a building. At first my suspended monitor started shaking up and down. And then I felt small wave underneath me. I had no idea what it was. But yeah, when you're that high up in a building during an earthquake, terrorist attack, any event that could cause it to fall, it frightens you.

Maybe some of us have done better in life and just have more to live for? :shrug:



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Post by ilovethecats » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:25 pm

tampa_griz wrote:I'm working in Philadelphia this week on the 43rd floor of a building. At first my suspended monitor started shaking up and down. And then I felt small wave underneath me. I had no idea what it was. But yeah, when you're that high up in a building during an earthquake, terrorist attack, any event that could cause it to fall, it frightens you.

Maybe some of us have done better in life and just have more to live for? :shrug:
ha. your post was doing so well and i was agreeing with all of it....

then you had to go back to your ol' "i'm better than you" mantra.

think it's safe to say that all of us, rich or poor have a lot to live for.

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Post by gtapp » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:43 pm

I could see if you are in a high rise building and/or not used to them that they can seem pretty scarry. Truth is that today most buildings are reasonably safe. Here in CA we usually don't even stop what we are doing. We step over the items/people that have fallen and keep on going. Unless I am on the beach then I grab onto any girl in a bikini for safety sake!!!


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Post by Gorak » Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:40 pm

TIrwin24 wrote: ENR has a history of pretty good reporting, .
never was really impressed with ENR articles. They always seemed to jump on whatever bandwagon was popular: nuclear is good one week, nuclear is bad the next. And 700 lists of companies I'm not working for. I really only got a subscription because I was tired of listening to that old guy come into our construction classes pedaling those magazines year after year



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Post by Grizlaw » Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:15 pm

I'm not an engineer and don't know anything about ENR, but I just thought I'd point out that this article is actually an AP article, not an actual ENR article.


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Post by kmax » Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:59 am

Grizlaw wrote:
kmax wrote:Good God, even the usually sane and reasonable posters have gone off the deep end.
If someone makes a statement they can't support as part of a ham-handed attempt at insulting me (or attacking a statement I made...however you want to characterize it), I'm going to call them on it. If doing so constitutes "going off the deep end," then I guess I've always been off the deep end. :roll:
It was a joke GL, and wasn't solely directed at you. In case you haven't noticed people around here are getting a little touchy in anticipation of the season. Deep breaths.


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Re: East Coast - End Of The World?!?!?

Post by Grizlaw » Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:17 am

kmax wrote:It was a joke GL, and wasn't solely directed at you. In case you haven't noticed people around here are getting a little touchy in anticipation of the season. Deep breaths.
Sorry -- I've only been here sporadically for the past couple months, so I guess I'm not really aware of the overall mood here these days...


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