Welsch on Hauck (Chronicle)

[info197176]

...and btw Welsch atteded J-school out-of-state. Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble OC.

[CelticCat]

What a bunch of insecure, immature babies. I sometimes think you folks won't be satisfied unless Coach Hauck came over and burped you so you can feel all warm and happy about yourselves. I have listened to Coach Hauck since he came to Montana, and I have never heard him utter a word of insult to or about the 'Cats, and certainly nothing that compares to the hydrophobic rantings you all throw his way while describing what a horrible, nasty, mean guy he is. But here's a newsflash: Coach Hauck was hired to coach the Montana Grizzlies, not to soothe the tender egos of a minority of 'Cat fans whose self-identity derives entierely from whether the coach of their in-state rival talks pretty to them. Personally, I like Coach Kramer, but I'm not depending on him to make me feel good about being a Griz fan. If hugs from Coach Hauck is really standing between 'Cat fans and true happiness, then I can bet you're never going to be happy.

Why is wanting some respect being "a bunch of insecure, immature babies." I guess respect is a lost virtue at UM that no one expects the leaders to have. Fans are a different story, I couldn't care less what they say to me or about MSU.

Did you read the article? Did you read the points Jeff brought up about why Cat fans don't like him? You think he made all that up? I'm glad your almighty Hauck has never said anything negative about the Cats while you are around, I guess that means he never has!

[Eastcoastgriz]

Let’s be honest. There is NOTHING coach could have said that would change how any of you feel about him. If he would have been complementary of msu, you all would have called him a phony. Your report found out what many of us all ready know, coach is all the things that was reported.

Nobody knows if he will be a great coach, but the vast majority of the GRIZ faithful are happy with him. We will just have to wait and see what the next 2 or 3 years hold. Here's to 17 in a row!

[CARDIAC_CATS]

I really don't care what anyone says about Hauck (good or bad). I just do not like him plain and simple. They say first impressions are what do it and I did not have a very good first impression of him. I do not think he is a classy coach at all in my opinion but a bitter (get ahead ) type coach. As soon as a 1-A job come up (if he gets one) he will be gone I'm sure. I hope he sticks around though because he makes me dislike the Griz even more

[Proud Griz Man]

The article does nothing to disprove BH's hatred of anything/everything associated with MSU. As a matter of fact, the article makes it VERY CLEAR that A) he loathes our university & our football program, B) he has no problem with anything he's ever said about MSU, and C) he has no problem knowing how much the Bobcats despise him.

Thanks, Jeff, for reinforcing how we all feel about the guy. Maybe now the griz fans will get a clearer idea and realize that most, if not all of the stuff we post about bobby's antics/attitudes are true.

MSU fans have a monopoly on Hatred. Just look at your thread topics, post content, user names, signatures, etc. for references to your hatred of everything UM.

[Eastcoastgriz]

As soon as a 1-A job come up (if he gets one) he will be gone I'm sure.

As compared to Kramer who would turn down a 1A offer to stay with the cats.

You would have to be fool not to take the IA job.

Let me see, 100K and no job security or 500K and a multi year contract?

[GFGriz]

What a bunch of insecure, immature babies. I sometimes think you folks won't be satisfied unless Coach Hauck came over and burped you so you can feel all warm and happy about yourselves. I have listened to Coach Hauck since he came to Montana, and I have never heard him utter a word of insult to or about the 'Cats, and certainly nothing that compares to the hydrophobic rantings you all throw his way while describing what a horrible, nasty, mean guy he is. But here's a newsflash: Coach Hauck was hired to coach the Montana Grizzlies, not to soothe the tender egos of a minority of 'Cat fans whose self-identity derives entierely from whether the coach of their in-state rival talks pretty to them. Personally, I like Coach Kramer, but I'm not depending on him to make me feel good about being a Griz fan. If hugs from Coach Hauck is really standing between 'Cat fans and true happiness, then I can bet you're never going to be happy.

Go pat yourself on the back a little more, you pompous asshole. I could care less that Hack openly despises everything even remotely related to Montana State, but don't expect us to like him or not get our feathers ruffled by the guy. He is a spoiled brat, and all griz fans should be embarrassed to have a guy like that representing their university as one of its most-public figureheads.

First, Coach Hauck has never said he "despises" anything related to the 'Cats. I might be wrong, but the root cause of your comment might be that you despise yourself. Just a hunch; check it out. Second, Coach Hauck is not the kind of guy whose self-identity depends on whether you like him, or whether he ruffles your feathers. Seems to me, Bozone, that rather than addressing the question of whether you like Coach Hauck, you should be trying to figure out why you don't like yourself. Overprotective mother, emotionally distant father .... your comments bring a lot of possibilities to mind immediately ... it would probably require a team approach to plumb the depths of your inadequacies. But I digress. Third, Coach Hauck may not be as gregarious as Coach Kramer, but he's handled himself with poise, distinction, grace and humor, in assuming the helm of Montana's two most successful football programs. The only more pressure-filled coaching job in Montana is Coach Van Diest's at Carroll College. Finally, you're delusional if you think Griz fans are embarrassed by Coach Hauck. We're fine with him. Most of us like Coach Kramer, too. And all of us are hoping that with regard to you, Bozone, the healing begins, and soon. I'm pulling for you!

[Eastcoastgriz]

I really don't care what anyone says about Hauck (good or bad). I just do not like him plain and simple.

Proves my point, nothing he says would change how you'll feel about him.

[GFGriz]

I really don't care what anyone says about Hauck (good or bad). I just do not like him plain and simple. They say first impressions are what do it and I did not have a very good first impression of him. I do not think he is a classy coach at all in my opinion but a bitter (get ahead ) type coach. As soon as a 1-A job come up (if he gets one) he will be gone I'm sure. I hope he sticks around though because he makes me dislike the Griz even more

What in the heck is it with you 'Cats and whether you "like" Coach Hauck, and wheter he "respects" you? This is football, and you all act as if the Spring Formal is coming up and you can't figure out why Bobby hasn't called you, told you he likes you, and promised that no matter what happens at the dance, he'll respect you afterwards.

[BobcatLionFan]

There are class coaches, some win, some lose. There are classless coachs: some win some lose. You can be a great coach and go down either path. There is something to be said for a class approach. Most of the big schools tend to end up with the class style of winners for some reason. So maybe the Griz will keep Hauck for a long time

[mquast53000]

What in the heck is it with you 'Cats and whether you "like" Coach Hauck, and wheter he "respects" you? This is football, and you all act as if the Spring Formal is coming up and you can't figure out why Bobby hasn't called you, told you he likes you, and promised that no matter what happens at the dance, he'll respect you afterwards.

That is an idiotic statement. All the coaches at either UM or MSU are representatives of their given University. When you go out in public you are not solely representing Football or Volleyball, you are representing the University as well. When you have a professional job you are ALWAYS representing your employer whether you are on the clock or not. When Bobby actions are classless and crude, he is representing UM and unfortunately sometimes the entire state of Montana.

[HelenaCat95]

Ok...this is a Chronicle article we are talking about. So are we sure that is was "Bobby Hauck" that is described as jovial? Are we sure that Jeff wasn't actually talking to "Tim Hauck", or "Tom Hauck" or even Monte?





Just kidding Jeff

[Helcat72]

I think Hauck acts exactly the way most griz fans want him to act. They want him to be all grizzly and hate the Bobcats. He's not worried how we feel. Unless he wants the MSU job, it doesn't matter.

Hauck grew up a Griz fan...Kramer was a WSU Cougar. When you have that ingrained in you, you feel a little different. I still hate the ground Hauck walks on but I understand his attitude...he just can't drop the "fan" attitude and separate it from that of a coach. It may or may not lose a game for him someday....but it always seems to make his decisions controversial (e.g. running a halfback option pass in the last two minutes after he has the game won.) If he wasn't such a fan....he wouldn't need to run up the score.

[Proud Griz Man]

That is an idiotic statement. All the coaches at either UM or MSU are representatives of their given University. When you go out in public you are not solely representing Football or Volleyball, you are representing the University as well. When you have a professional job you are ALWAYS representing your employer whether you are on the clock or not. When Bobby actions are classless and crude, he is representing UM and unfortunately sometimes the entire state of Montana.

This lecture on Professionalism from Quast, whose signature is "FTG".

Next you will start the excuses about the MSU Meth dealer and his representation of your fine University. I don't know Joe, but maybe you do and saw his good points along with his problems.

C'mon Mike. You and the rest of the MSU fans need to get over your hatred of Hauck and the Griz.

[GFGriz]

What in the heck is it with you 'Cats and whether you "like" Coach Hauck, and wheter he "respects" you? This is football, and you all act as if the Spring Formal is coming up and you can't figure out why Bobby hasn't called you, told you he likes you, and promised that no matter what happens at the dance, he'll respect you afterwards.

That is an idiotic statement. All the coaches at either UM or MSU are representatives of their given University. When you go out in public you are not solely representing Football or Volleyball, you are representing the University as well. When you have a professional job you are ALWAYS representing your employer whether you are on the clock or not. When Bobby actions are classless and crude, he is representing UM and unfortunately sometimes the entire state of Montana.

When exactly did Coach Hauck act "classeless and crude"? Did he, like, get caught buying drugs with intent to distribute? Did he get banned from coaching a game because he questioned the referees? Some specifics. PLEASE. I haven't heard any instances in which Coach Hauck acted with anything approaching classlessness or crudeness, and certainly nothing approaching the classlessness and crudeness you 'Cat fans have demonstrated on this thread. And whenever you can't cite any specific examples, you all fall back inevitably upon the Rodney Dangerfield School of Bobcatism: "We Just Can't Get Any Respect from Bobby." The bottom line is that you really don't respect your team, your coach, your fans. Nothing. And so you look to the coach of your biggest rival in the hope that he will tell you you are not as classless, and crude, and pathetic as you obviously believe yourselves to be. And when he doesn't, you call him names. I don't have a clue as to why there is this big, black ugly emptiness in the middle of the Bobcats, and why fans of a team that used to earn respect are now out there begging for it.

[Cat Grad]

So what else is new? Another thread turned to bear dung and needs placed in the smack section (or efizz).

[GFGriz]

So what else is new? Another thread turned to bear dung and needs placed in the smack section (or efizz).

This thread was Cat Scat from the get-go, posing once again the question, "Why Do 'Cats Hate Bobby?" And again, the answer is, "We don't need a reason; we just hate him."

[Cat Grad]

Not quite:

Is it just me, or does this article make you like Hauck, and Welsch even less? If I were a Bozeman Chronicle reporter I would go in asking Hauck tough questions, and clear up any rumors why the Bobcats don't like him.

Instead, Welsch decides to go in and suck Haucks a$$ for a while, and give us an article with very little substance, which makes me like like Hauck even less than I already do. He comes accross as very arrogant, and immature.

On the other side of things, it was a great idea for a story and I applaud Welsch for trying new things in addition to the standard football reports and player profiles.

Commentary: Hauck not so bad outside of rivalry

By JEFF WELSCH, Chronicle Sports Editor

MISSOULA - It is only mid-August, and already Bobby Hauck has produced his first upset of the season, if such a feat is ever possible with the the University of Montana football juggernaut.

UM's third-year coach has set aside valuable time, on the day after fall practice has begun and with so much work to do, for an informal interview in his spacious office with a reporter from, of all places ...

Bozeman.

And get this.

He's friendly. He's smiling. He's laughing.

He's as engaging as your favorite uncle.

When you've been weaned on a year's worth of spin in the Gallatin Valley, your first inclination is to ask this man, "Who are you, and what have you done with Bobby Hauck?"

You know.

The lemon-sucking lout who wouldn't give the other Big Sky Conference program in the state credit for picking its school colors, much less beating the Grizzlies.

The personality-challenged oaf who'd have his linemen push a broken-down team bus over the hill to the familiar Yellowstone River valley before ever leaving valuable dollars in, you know, that town.

The pompous egomaniac who won't return phone calls to Bozeman sports-talk shows.

The arrogant brat who would sooner sell his twin children into slavery than utter "Montana State" or "Bobcats" or "MSU."

Hauck tosses his head back and laughs at perceptions he's made little attempt to reverse.

"We have a little fun," he says, an impish twinkle in his eyes. "If you can't stir the pot and have a little fun ... when you speak of rivalries, we have a great one. It's special. So you might as well enjoy that."

This is not the Bobby Hauck they talk about in the Gallatin Valley.

This is the Bobby Hauck they know in the Bitterroot Valley.

East of the divide, those who put the rivalry on par with war, poverty and pestilence in matters of importance view Hauck as the face of the Evil Empire, leader of the infidels, the Great Satan himself.

And yes, even rational observers sometimes puzzle over what seems to be an excessive loathing of the land-grant school; of course, it doesn't help the image that he often looks on TV as if he's having his wisdom teeth extracted.

How can a three-sport star from Big Timber, for crying out loud, be so disdainful of his ranch-country roots, even if his father, Bob, a teacher and coach, was no more connected to ag and engineering as, say, the town librarian?

Hauck, dressed casually in a polo shirt and shorts, seizes another opportunity to massage the rivalry.

"First, I like to think everywhere in the state of Montana is Grizzly country," he winks, then adds: "And, I'm a third-generation alum."

His grandfather is a Griz. His father is a Griz. His brother, Tim, is a Griz and coaches UM's safeties. His uncle, Tom, is a Griz and coaches defensive tackles.

Truth be known, Hauck has pleasured in inciting the rivalry since third grade. He trash-talked by sliding notes under the doors of Big Timber teachers who wore the wrong colors, promising that "the Griz are going to get it done."

"Sixteen cousins went to school here," he says, "and most of their parents."

Yes, but surely, with all those ties to rural Montana, there must be somebody in the clan, somewhere, who proudly wears the colors of ...

"I think there's one cousin," Hauck says somberly. "We don't talk about him much."

He laughs again.

No, this isn't the Bobby Hauck we talk about, or perhaps want to talk about, in the Gallatin Valley.

On the east side, Hauck will never be forgiven for either neglecting or refusing to accord the home team credit for a 27-20 defeat in his first Griz-Other Guys showdown two years ago.

Never mind that he had stepped into enormous coaching shoes, the expectation of Big Sky championships, national titles and a full 23,183-seat Washington-Grizzly Stadium squarely on his shoulders.

That The Other School had ended a 16-game losing streak in Joe Glenn's final season only slightly eased the strain in a football-obsessed town where "you can never get away from it."

Now, after taking the Grizzlies to the Division I-AA title game a year ago, he is more at ease.

"It's much less stressful," he says.

Won't change his approach to the rivalry, though.

After all, he rightfully notes, it's only the coaching staffs at both schools whose livelihoods are on at stake.

For the fans, it is, or should be, a game.

Fun. Remember?

So, as Hauck is asked playfully about his unwillingness to utter The Other School's names, he skillfully, laughingly, engagingly tap-dances.

Then conversation turns again to Big Timber roots.

"Obviously, growing up down in that neck of the woods," Hauck says, "I had a lot of friends who were ..."

Yes? ... Yes?

"... MSU alums."

Stop the presses.

It's another mid-August upset, and why not?

When your program is above such possibilities on the field, you take them where you can, even with a reporter from the dark side.

[CelticCat]

First of all GFGriz, trying to push us down and telling us that we hate ourselves is really a nice attempt at logic. We hate ourselves so much that we desperately need Hauck to like us. Is this lgoic from the UM dance 101 class you took? Spare me your shrink babbling, it only makes you look really arrogant and condescending, oh wait you are a griz fan.

Secondly, let me reinforce this point, I will say it real slow for your griz fans who seem to have trouble following it.

THIS. DISCUSSION. HAS. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. FAN. BEHAVIOR.

Did you follow that? Please stop comparing Hauck's behavior to fan behavior, because coaches are supposed to act like fans. Fans can be rude, obnoxious, courteous, whatever the hell they want. WE here at MSU expect a certain level of professionalism and a bit of chivarly from our coaches. You seem to encourage the belittling comments and then brush them off by pushing us down or referring to past MSU problems.

And what does it say about the recent surge of griz posters registering on this Cats site? You care as much about what we do as we care about what you do. If we are blinded by hatred toward the griz, griz are blinded by their own egos.

[Grizlaw]

Spare me your shrink babbling, it only makes you look really arrogant and condescending, oh wait you are a griz fan.

[snip]

THIS. DISCUSSION. HAS. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. FAN. BEHAVIOR.

And yet, fan behavior seems to always become the issue whenever it is convenient for the person who is making the argument at a given time, doesn't it?