Bobcats vs Bears- MBB

[whitetrashgriz]

i think this year in particular there is much parity within the conference. no team is really standing out as the cream of the crop.

Really? Weber is 8-1 in conference. They've won something like 23 of their last 25 conference games. They are on the verge of hosting the Big Sky Tournament for the 3rd time in the last 4 years. I think they just might qualify as the "cream of the crop" in the conference.

well it's just about perspective i guess. i certainly think that weber is a good team, but i don't know if i'd bet a ton of money promising that they'll host the tourney. they only lead unc by a game. a unc team they still have to play, and have lost to once already. they barely beat montana tech at home this season. they have 4 games on the road to finish the season, all against teams that will likely make the playoffs; msu, um, nau, and psu. and they only lead us and the griz by 2 games. i don't look at that as dominating, and unless you are convinced they won't lose again this season, i think you'll be surprised at how even this league is. i respect your opinion though. we'll know a lot more by saturday night 'cause they need to sweep the cats and griz on the road to maintain their lead, and i just don't see that happening.

[GrizinWashington]

they only lead unc by a game

Well, to be accurate, the actually lead UNC by a game and half (and 2 in the loss column) as I posted in a thread in the College Athletics forum. Of course, that thread quickly deteriorated into a conversation about which team should be listed first.....


That said, I agree with you that Weber doesn't have an easy road.

[whitetrashgriz]

they only lead unc by a game

Well, to be accurate, the actually lead UNC by a game and half (and 2 in the loss column) as I posted in a thread in the College Athletics forum. Of course, that thread quickly deteriorated into a conversation about which team should be listed first.....


That said, I agree with you that Weber doesn't have an easy road.

ya i noticed that too but i was just being simple. and they lead us and the griz by 2 and a half right? either way, i agree weber has a good team, but i also think that unc, um, and nau have a good team too. throw in the cats and psu, and combine that with every teams remaining schedule, and i don't know how you can consider them the "cream of the crop". i'd be very, very surprised if weber rolls through the rest of their schedule. they could easily lose at least three more. but as i said, different perspectives.

[WSUWILDCAT]

This weekend will show whether Weber is the "cream of the crop" or not, I think Weber has the players and team game to sweep this trip, the Wildcats are playing great team ball right now, they have now played 4 games in a row where 4 or more players are scoring in double digits, Lillard is shooting lights out, and Sessions and Hughey are molding into great players, not to mention Panos is playing better than he has ever at Weber. but the Montana trip is one of the hardest (if not the hardest) roadtrips, and Weber must play back to back, that will be tough, we will see what Weber is made of after this weekend.

The West coast trip will also be tough, but it wont be back to back because Weber will play on Sunday's Altitude Big SKy game of the week for the first and only time this year, so that might make things a little easier for the Cats, I have a feeling Weber will sweep the West coast trip, Portland State is not playing very well, but they are always dangerous, and I think Weber would beat Eastern.

If Weber has any thoughts of hosting, the worst they can afford is to split both roadtrips, I think Weber will win thier remaining home games vs UNC, NAU and ISU, so if they can win out at home and split both roadtrips, than Weber will win the conference.

GO WILDCATS

[grizzh8r]

i don't take it as you picking a fight. maybe you are right about alumni and boosters. i can't say for sure. this is a difficult topic because what are the solutions? i certainly can't think of any. i'm not satisfied with being just average, and i agree completely that just two titles in that stretch is horrible. but when i look at this team, i'm looking at THIS team. sure i'm not happy with our previous success or lack there of. but it does no good to use all those years in history when discussing THIS team. we already did that a few years ago when we thought mick was the problem. and maybe he was. personally, i loved mick, and i thought he was a good coach. not a great coach, and i thought his communication with players was questionable at times. so we made the move. we brought in a coach who i am more than convinced has what it takes to make us a winning program. look what he did last year. no one predicted us to do anything, and we were just about dancing. i'm just as frustrated as everyone else with our teams up and down play this year. i think we've had games we certainly could have won and didn't. but we've shown flashes of a great team, and no one will convince me that this team couldn't possibly make a run in the conference tourney. but we are no different than any team in the country. we win games and we lose some. i definitely want to see us win won in no later than a few seasons. and if we don't i think a change will be needed. but i think any coach we bring in will deal with the same difficulties. but i don't see that happening. if we don't win it this year, i'd be willing to bet we do in the next couple.

I hope you are right. I thought that Huse was a great hire at the time, and it seems like most UM fans thought very highly of him during his tenure as an assistant there. I remember how our unexpected run to the BSC tourney title in 1986 served as a springboard to a great season in 1987, with a BSC regular season title, including a sweep of the Griz. Unfortunately we were upset in the tourney, but we then came back and made it to the BSC championship game again in 1988.

I really thought that our tourney run last season might lead to the same sort of regular season success this year. I know we still have six conference games left, so a top-two seed is certainly not out of the question yet, but I can't really fathom that happening with what I have seen from this team so far. We seem to be headed for yet another middle of the pack finish, and I don't think we can count on getting hot at tourney time every season, and getting to the title game as a number 5 or 6 seed again. I mean, it's great when it happens, but I won't bet the ranch that we'll pull that off again this year.

And I believe that if Huse can't get us out of the muck of mediocrity within four seasons, the odds are not great that he will ever lead the program to more than just average success. I think if you look at the history of college sports programs, you will see that coaches who "have what it takes" usually get it done within their first 3-4 seasons, or else they never do. And maybe I'm missing something, but when I go back and read all of the comments in this thread, it seems to me that most of the flaws people see in this team are things that are "coachable", rather than a lack of talent.

Another recurring theme is that we are too "small", and therefore destined to take a beating on the boards most games. But a front line that goes 6-9. 6-7, 6-5 is not abnormally small for the BSC....we had a bigger lineup than UNC. And even I have played enough basketball to know that rebounding is more about technique and attitude and desire, than it is about size.

I am really trying to stay positive about this team, but the losses to EWU and UNC were really disheartening to me. And it's especially frustrating, because we can look so good at times. Just in the four games that I have seen on TV, several times I have found myself thinking that if we played like this on even a semi-regular basis, we could have a legitimate shot at the BSC title. But then at other times....not so much.

Replace UNC with NAU, and then I'd agree with you. MSU played well for the first 35 minutes of that UNC game, just couldn't seal the deal. The EWU game sucked (I was there, and watched Dean single-handedly beat us), and the NAU game was a catastrophe.

[twentythreeOh4]

i think this year in particular there is much parity within the conference. no team is really standing out as the cream of the crop.

Really? Weber is 8-1 in conference. They've won something like 23 of their last 25 conference games. They are on the verge of hosting the Big Sky Tournament for the 3rd time in the last 4 years. I think they just might qualify as the "cream of the crop" in the conference.

well it's just about perspective i guess. i certainly think that weber is a good team, but i don't know if i'd bet a ton of money promising that they'll host the tourney. they only lead unc by a game. a unc team they still have to play, and have lost to once already. they barely beat montana tech at home this season. they have 4 games on the road to finish the season, all against teams that will likely make the playoffs; msu, um, nau, and psu. and they only lead us and the griz by 2 games. i don't look at that as dominating, and unless you are convinced they won't lose again this season, i think you'll be surprised at how even this league is. i respect your opinion though. we'll know a lot more by saturday night 'cause they need to sweep the cats and griz on the road to maintain their lead, and i just don't see that happening.

While, I don't think Weber has the tourney locked up just yet, I think you are kidding yourself if you don't believe they are firmly in the driver's seat. If they get a split this weekend, the fat lady will be warming up her voice as they will have only 2 losses and their only remaining road games will be PSU and EWU (not NAU as you stated). Yes they have to play N. Colorado again, but at Weber -- I think that's advantage Weber. As you said we will know a lot more by Saturday night. Hopefully Weber will get swept and the race will be wide open, but I wouldn't bet on that happening.

[whitetrashgriz]

i think this year in particular there is much parity within the conference. no team is really standing out as the cream of the crop.

Really? Weber is 8-1 in conference. They've won something like 23 of their last 25 conference games. They are on the verge of hosting the Big Sky Tournament for the 3rd time in the last 4 years. I think they just might qualify as the "cream of the crop" in the conference.

well it's just about perspective i guess. i certainly think that weber is a good team, but i don't know if i'd bet a ton of money promising that they'll host the tourney. they only lead unc by a game. a unc team they still have to play, and have lost to once already. they barely beat montana tech at home this season. they have 4 games on the road to finish the season, all against teams that will likely make the playoffs; msu, um, nau, and psu. and they only lead us and the griz by 2 games. i don't look at that as dominating, and unless you are convinced they won't lose again this season, i think you'll be surprised at how even this league is. i respect your opinion though. we'll know a lot more by saturday night 'cause they need to sweep the cats and griz on the road to maintain their lead, and i just don't see that happening.

While, I don't think Weber has the tourney locked up just yet, I think you are kidding yourself if you don't believe they are firmly in the driver's seat. If they get a split this weekend, the fat lady will be warming up her voice as they will have only 2 losses and their only remaining road games will be PSU and EWU (not NAU as you stated). Yes they have to play N. Colorado again, but at Weber -- I think that's advantage Weber. As you said we will know a lot more by Saturday night. Hopefully Weber will get swept and the race will be wide open, but I wouldn't bet on that happening.

i don't think i'm kidding myself at all. if they host the tourney, i won't be shocked. if they don't, that won't surprise me either. like i said, it's about perspective. you're idea of the cream of the crop is the team in the drivers seat to host the tourney with 7 games left, and four of them on the road. i admit i made a mistake on who they were playing but i was going by mmory. when i think of cream of the crop, i think of teams like kansas. i'm not comparing webers talent to kansas' talent. but i'd bet my bank account right now that kansas will be regular season champs in the big 12. i wouldn't be comfortable saying that about weber. as i said, the conference season is just one game past the mid-way point, they barely lead some other good teams in the conference by 1.5 - 2.5 games, they play 5 of their last 7 games against teams that will likely be in the playoffs, and they play 4 of those games on the road. i'm not saying that they are bad. but in my opinion they aren't standing out more than any other team right now. in fact, as much as i hate to say it, but the griz remaining schedule is far more favorable, and they are playing good ball right now. i just don't see how someone could look at this years teams, look at this years standings, and this years remaining schedules and come to the conclusion that weber is hands down the best in the big sky. more will be known this weekened, but even then teams will still have over a quarter of big sky games left to play.

[twentythreeOh4]

well it's just about perspective i guess. i certainly think that weber is a good team, but i don't know if i'd bet a ton of money promising that they'll host the tourney. they only lead unc by a game. a unc team they still have to play, and have lost to once already. they barely beat montana tech at home this season. they have 4 games on the road to finish the season, all against teams that will likely make the playoffs; msu, um, nau, and psu. and they only lead us and the griz by 2 games. i don't look at that as dominating, and unless you are convinced they won't lose again this season, i think you'll be surprised at how even this league is. i respect your opinion though. we'll know a lot more by saturday night 'cause they need to sweep the cats and griz on the road to maintain their lead, and i just don't see that happening.

While, I don't think Weber has the tourney locked up just yet, I think you are kidding yourself if you don't believe they are firmly in the driver's seat. If they get a split this weekend, the fat lady will be warming up her voice as they will have only 2 losses and their only remaining road games will be PSU and EWU (not NAU as you stated). Yes they have to play N. Colorado again, but at Weber -- I think that's advantage Weber. As you said we will know a lot more by Saturday night. Hopefully Weber will get swept and the race will be wide open, but I wouldn't bet on that happening.

i don't think i'm kidding myself at all. if they host the tourney, i won't be shocked. if they don't, that won't surprise me either. like i said, it's about perspective. you're idea of the cream of the crop is the team in the drivers seat to host the tourney with 7 games left, and four of them on the road. i admit i made a mistake on who they were playing but i was going by mmory. when i think of cream of the crop, i think of teams like kansas. i'm not comparing webers talent to kansas' talent. but i'd bet my bank account right now that kansas will be regular season champs in the big 12. i wouldn't be comfortable saying that about weber. as i said, the conference season is just one game past the mid-way point, they barely lead some other good teams in the conference by 1.5 - 2.5 games, they play 5 of their last 7 games against teams that will likely be in the playoffs, and they play 4 of those games on the road. i'm not saying that they are bad. but in my opinion they aren't standing out more than any other team right now. in fact, as much as i hate to say it, but the griz remaining schedule is far more favorable, and they are playing good ball right now. i just don't see how someone could look at this years teams, look at this years standings, and this years remaining schedules and come to the conclusion that weber is hands down the best in the big sky. more will be known this weekened, but even then teams will still have over a quarter of big sky games left to play.

Well WTG we both said we would know more Saturday night... Just as I expected, Weber did not get swept on the MT road trip. The cream is rising to the top.

[grizzh8r]

well it's just about perspective i guess. i certainly think that weber is a good team, but i don't know if i'd bet a ton of money promising that they'll host the tourney. they only lead unc by a game. a unc team they still have to play, and have lost to once already. they barely beat montana tech at home this season. they have 4 games on the road to finish the season, all against teams that will likely make the playoffs; msu, um, nau, and psu. and they only lead us and the griz by 2 games. i don't look at that as dominating, and unless you are convinced they won't lose again this season, i think you'll be surprised at how even this league is. i respect your opinion though. we'll know a lot more by saturday night 'cause they need to sweep the cats and griz on the road to maintain their lead, and i just don't see that happening.

While, I don't think Weber has the tourney locked up just yet, I think you are kidding yourself if you don't believe they are firmly in the driver's seat. If they get a split this weekend, the fat lady will be warming up her voice as they will have only 2 losses and their only remaining road games will be PSU and EWU (not NAU as you stated). Yes they have to play N. Colorado again, but at Weber -- I think that's advantage Weber. As you said we will know a lot more by Saturday night. Hopefully Weber will get swept and the race will be wide open, but I wouldn't bet on that happening.

i don't think i'm kidding myself at all. if they host the tourney, i won't be shocked. if they don't, that won't surprise me either. like i said, it's about perspective. you're idea of the cream of the crop is the team in the drivers seat to host the tourney with 7 games left, and four of them on the road. i admit i made a mistake on who they were playing but i was going by mmory. when i think of cream of the crop, i think of teams like kansas. i'm not comparing webers talent to kansas' talent. but i'd bet my bank account right now that kansas will be regular season champs in the big 12. i wouldn't be comfortable saying that about weber. as i said, the conference season is just one game past the mid-way point, they barely lead some other good teams in the conference by 1.5 - 2.5 games, they play 5 of their last 7 games against teams that will likely be in the playoffs, and they play 4 of those games on the road. i'm not saying that they are bad. but in my opinion they aren't standing out more than any other team right now. in fact, as much as i hate to say it, but the griz remaining schedule is far more favorable, and they are playing good ball right now. i just don't see how someone could look at this years teams, look at this years standings, and this years remaining schedules and come to the conclusion that weber is hands down the best in the big sky. more will be known this weekened, but even then teams will still have over a quarter of big sky games left to play.

Well WTG we both said we would know more Saturday night... Just as I expected, Weber did not get swept on the MT road trip. The cream is rising to the top.

They can thank their friends in black and white stripes for not letting them get swept. MSU would have won that game had they not taken the hardcore a$$reaming they got from Byrne Haskins, et. al.

[whitetrashgriz]

well it's just about perspective i guess. i certainly think that weber is a good team, but i don't know if i'd bet a ton of money promising that they'll host the tourney. they only lead unc by a game. a unc team they still have to play, and have lost to once already. they barely beat montana tech at home this season. they have 4 games on the road to finish the season, all against teams that will likely make the playoffs; msu, um, nau, and psu. and they only lead us and the griz by 2 games. i don't look at that as dominating, and unless you are convinced they won't lose again this season, i think you'll be surprised at how even this league is. i respect your opinion though. we'll know a lot more by saturday night 'cause they need to sweep the cats and griz on the road to maintain their lead, and i just don't see that happening.

While, I don't think Weber has the tourney locked up just yet, I think you are kidding yourself if you don't believe they are firmly in the driver's seat. If they get a split this weekend, the fat lady will be warming up her voice as they will have only 2 losses and their only remaining road games will be PSU and EWU (not NAU as you stated). Yes they have to play N. Colorado again, but at Weber -- I think that's advantage Weber. As you said we will know a lot more by Saturday night. Hopefully Weber will get swept and the race will be wide open, but I wouldn't bet on that happening.

i don't think i'm kidding myself at all. if they host the tourney, i won't be shocked. if they don't, that won't surprise me either. like i said, it's about perspective. you're idea of the cream of the crop is the team in the drivers seat to host the tourney with 7 games left, and four of them on the road. i admit i made a mistake on who they were playing but i was going by mmory. when i think of cream of the crop, i think of teams like kansas. i'm not comparing webers talent to kansas' talent. but i'd bet my bank account right now that kansas will be regular season champs in the big 12. i wouldn't be comfortable saying that about weber. as i said, the conference season is just one game past the mid-way point, they barely lead some other good teams in the conference by 1.5 - 2.5 games, they play 5 of their last 7 games against teams that will likely be in the playoffs, and they play 4 of those games on the road. i'm not saying that they are bad. but in my opinion they aren't standing out more than any other team right now. in fact, as much as i hate to say it, but the griz remaining schedule is far more favorable, and they are playing good ball right now. i just don't see how someone could look at this years teams, look at this years standings, and this years remaining schedules and come to the conclusion that weber is hands down the best in the big sky. more will be known this weekened, but even then teams will still have over a quarter of big sky games left to play.

Well WTG we both said we would know more Saturday night... Just as I expected, Weber did not get swept on the MT road trip. The cream is rising to the top.

and i still don't agree with you. you have a different definition than i do. were they the "cream of the crop" last season too when the cats beat them in the tourney? even if they do host, which i said i wouldn't be shocked if they do, i don't think hosting the tourney means you're the best in the league. they got killed by the griz...who in my opinion are playing better than anyone right now, and they didn't do anything to really impress me against the cats. teams that are the "cream of the crop" don't have to worry about getting swept on the road, because they expect to do the sweeping on the road! i think the griz made a statement to who exactly is playing the best right now. just because weber got off to a fast start this year and may have a better conference record, that doesn't make them the best. all that matters is how you play going into the tourney, and how you play once you get there.