Phil Jackson...

[wbtfg]

Donates proceeds from X hat to United Indian College Fund. Very classy!

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Phil Jackson's X Hat Helps Charity
Posted Jun 18, 2009 10:15PM By Matt Watson (RSS feed)

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Text Size A A A When Phil Jackson took the stage for the trophy presentation after winning Game 5, he was sporting a gold cap with a large, purple Roman numeral X, a custom-made gift from his agents commemorating Jackson's six titles with the Bulls and four with the Lakers.

After Jackson wore the hat again during Wednesday's rally at the Los Angeles Coliseum, many Lakers fans wanted to know where they could get one of their own. The custom-made hat was never intended to be anything more than a unique gift, but Jackson decided to capitalize upon the interest to help a good cause: fans can now purchase the hat for $25, with proceeds from the sale going to the American Indian College Fund.

Richard B. Williams, the president and CEO of the Fund, thanked Jackson in a press release on Wednesday. "The American Indian College Fund is honored to have been selected by Phil Jackson to benefit from the sale of the Phil Jackson X Hat. Phil Jackson's spirit and winning ways are intertwined with the spirit of Indian people through his generosity. Phil Jackson is the greatest NBA coach ever, and he is a great humanitarian. Throughout his career he has contributed to improving the lives of American Indian people and we are very thankful. Pilamiya Yelo! (Thank you)."

[AlphaGriz1]

Great!

Lord knows the indians need more help than anyone else in this country.






I am getting real sick and tired of this feel good bullsh*t about helping people who dont really want the help.

When the fu*k are people going to wake up and realize money isnt the answer? Tough love is.

Oh and if tough love isnt the answer lets try that for a hundred years and then count all the money we save.

[grizzh8r]

Great!

Lord knows the indians need more help than anyone else in this country.






I am getting real sick and tired of this feel good bullsh*t about helping people who dont really want the help.

When the fu*k are people going to wake up and realize money isnt the answer? Tough love is.

Oh and if tough love isnt the answer lets try that for a hundred years and then count all the money we save.

[gtapp]

I have to agree with Alpha on this one. Good god, what is the world coming too?

[wbtfg]

I don’t get it…are you guys saying that Phil Jackson shouldn’t donate money to a scholarship fund?

[AlphaGriz1]

I don’t get it…are you guys saying that Phil Jackson shouldn’t donate money to a scholarship fund?

No, not at all.

Anyone that donates to charity is going above and beyond their responsibility to society.

What I am saying and I am not speaking for the others is that you cant have it both ways.

There are many demographics in the US that always rail about equality and justice. They either dont have a clue what this means or are incredibly bigoted themselves.

If you really, honestly and truly want to have fair across the board equality then you dont need to have labels on any kind of charity, scholarship or group. The second you add african, Mexican, Irish, Native etc to American you just defeated your argument.

Why not donate the money to the Montana Scholarship for everyone in the state to have access too? Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona etc

The more you give people the lazier they become. (of course for the sake of this argument I am talking about white people so no need to get up in arms.) When you have a worker that is just starting a job they "USUALLY" work harder at first to make a good impression then after they get comfortable they slack a little, then after 5-10 years they slack a little more and all the while developing this "now you owe me" attitude....a sense of entitlement. They want more for doing less. Why would they, they dont have to work to get what they want or at the very least maintain the status quo.

This is way to prevalent in this country right now and its because some people get, get, get and they dont have to work for it. Indians get money, blacks get money, gays get money, jews get money etc but where is our return as a society? We could dump 300 trillion on indians, blacks, gays, mexicans and I bet they would still have the same problems everyone else does.........you know why? Because they are just like us.

Where can you show us the money we are doling out year after year is helping you out? In most cases it seems to be hindering the success not helping it.

Look every person in this country is in this together whether you like it or not so why not all play for the same team?

AG1
Irish/German American

[SonomaCat]

I think it's a good idea to provide scholarship money to any kids that are economically disadvantaged. It's not the kids' fault, and getting a good education is the best way for them to be able to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps."

Native Americans are definitely a group that skew toward the "economically disadvantaged" category, so I think donating to such a fund is one of the BEST ways to allow Native Americans to help themselves.

Providing opportunities for education is a great investment (and isn't merely a handout), in my opinion.


As an aside ... "gays and jews" Alpha? Wow, you are really reaching for shock value on that one.

[DriftCat]

I think it's a good idea to provide scholarship money to any kids that are economically disadvantaged. It's not the kids' fault, and getting a good education is the best way for them to be able to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps."

Native Americans are definitely a group that skew toward the "economically disadvantaged" category, so I think donating to such a fund is one of the BEST ways to allow Native Americans to help themselves.

Providing opportunities for education is a great investment (and isn't merely a handout), in my opinion.


As an aside ... "gays and jews" Alpha? Wow, you are really reaching for shock value on that one.

So what about the economically disadvantaged caucasian children? There are no scholarship opportunities out there specifically for them or caucasians in general. If a caucasian can apply for a certain scholarship then anyone can, yet they can't apply for numerous scholarships that are earmarked for specific groups? How is this fair?

I have been doing many scholarship searches recently and have found specific scholarships for every group you could imagine except caucasian males - including a scholarship for the child of a transgender person (not sure what this has to do with being in need of college funds). How about "pulling themselves up by the bootstraps" by paying their own way through college, like I had to do. Or better yet, why not have straight scholarships that everyone can apply for and that are awarded based on merit and financial need since the main goal is to help those in need go to college? Why should race have anything to do with it? There are people of all races that have financial needs when trying to go to college, making scholarships based on race is discriminatory. Period.

[SonomaCat]

There are plenty of scholarships available to poor caucasian male children as well. But you're right that it would be strange to have a "whites makes only" scholarship, primarily because there is no reasonable motivation for such a program.

It would be nice if we lived in a society where there are no obvious differences in wealth between the races (and I do believe that this will happen one day, and it will be a very positive development). At that point, I totally agree it wouldn't make sense to have special scholarship programs for certain ethnicities.

But the reality is that, currently, poverty and lack of economic and education opportunities are disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities (Native Americans being one of those groups). Therefore, I have no problem at all with somebody donating their money to funds that seek to close those gaps by offering educational opportunities to people in those groups.

I'd be much less supportive of the idea if it was a government-funded program (as I think when it comes to government activities, the bar should be higher and they should base it all exclusively on need as opposed to any racial qualificiations, and the government has the resources to be able to obtain that information and make those kinds of distinctions), but as far as individuals donating their own money, I have no problem with it at all.

[grizzh8r]

There are plenty of scholarships available to poor caucasian male children as well. But you're right that it would be strange to have a "whites makes only" scholarship, primarily because there is no reasonable motivation for such a program.

It would be nice if we lived in a society where there are no obvious differences in wealth between the races (and I do believe that this will happen one day, and it will be a very positive development). Ah-hah! You're a socialist... I KNEW IT! No wonder you support BHO... At that point, I totally agree it wouldn't make sense to have special scholarship programs for certain ethnicities.

But the reality is that, currently, poverty and lack of economic and education opportunities are disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities (Native Americans being one of those groups). Therefore, I have no problem at all with somebody donating their money to funds that seek to close those gaps by offering educational opportunities to people in those groups.

I'd be much less supportive of the idea if it was a government-funded program (as I think when it comes to government activities, the bar should be higher and they should base it all exclusively on need as opposed to any racial qualificiations, and the government has the resources to be able to obtain that information and make those kinds of distinctions), but as far as individuals donating their own money, I have no problem with it at all.

Well, first of all, it has to start with the adults within the American Indian community. They need to give a ****** about their children's education first. Then and only then will their views towards the US Government, "whiteys" and - most importantly - themselves change. Some of the best funded schools in MT are on reservations, due to boosted federal funding. Some tribes/reservations are taking advantage of this opportunity and are their peoples are making strides towards becoming better citizens. Unfortunately, the vast majority are not. Were they been mistreated in the past? Absolutely. But that's just it: it happened 2-3 generations ago, even more in some areas. I know it's a blanket statement, but American Indians need to quit feeling sorry for themselves and DO something about their current situation. They are a strong, smart, resourceful people that have been dumbed down for years. Indeed, the Federal Government mismanaged the situation from the get-go, but American Indians are where they are partially due to their own actions. It's high time they show us what they can do.

[DriftCat]

There are plenty of scholarships available to poor caucasian male children as well. But you're right that it would be strange to have a "whites makes only" scholarship, primarily because there is no reasonable motivation for such a program.

It would be nice if we lived in a society where there are no obvious differences in wealth between the races (and I do believe that this will happen one day, and it will be a very positive development). At that point, I totally agree it wouldn't make sense to have special scholarship programs for certain ethnicities.

But the reality is that, currently, poverty and lack of economic and education opportunities are disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities (Native Americans being one of those groups). Therefore, I have no problem at all with somebody donating their money to funds that seek to close those gaps by offering educational opportunities to people in those groups.

I'd be much less supportive of the idea if it was a government-funded program (as I think when it comes to government activities, the bar should be higher and they should base it all exclusively on need as opposed to any racial qualificiations, and the government has the resources to be able to obtain that information and make those kinds of distinctions), but as far as individuals donating their own money, I have no problem with it at all.

See....this just makes no sense to me. You are saying that if you are poor and white you should have to compete with all other races for scholarships while if you are poor and **insert any other race or ethnicity here** you have your own set of scholarships that you can apply for and you can apply for the ones that are available to whites as well. Why should a poor, white high school student be treated any less than any other student? Whites that grow up in poverty are less deserving of a chance at an education? Poverty is poverty, that is why we should not attach a race to scholarships and instead base them on financial need, merit, and academics.

You say that poverty is disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities, which I do not dispute. However, if we just let all that are in need of assistance apply for any scholarship wouldn't they still receive the majority of scholarships based on need?

[wbtfg]

There are plenty of scholarships available to poor caucasian male children as well. But you're right that it would be strange to have a "whites makes only" scholarship, primarily because there is no reasonable motivation for such a program.

It would be nice if we lived in a society where there are no obvious differences in wealth between the races (and I do believe that this will happen one day, and it will be a very positive development). At that point, I totally agree it wouldn't make sense to have special scholarship programs for certain ethnicities.

But the reality is that, currently, poverty and lack of economic and education opportunities are disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities (Native Americans being one of those groups). Therefore, I have no problem at all with somebody donating their money to funds that seek to close those gaps by offering educational opportunities to people in those groups.

I'd be much less supportive of the idea if it was a government-funded program (as I think when it comes to government activities, the bar should be higher and they should base it all exclusively on need as opposed to any racial qualificiations, and the government has the resources to be able to obtain that information and make those kinds of distinctions), but as far as individuals donating their own money, I have no problem with it at all.

See....this just makes no sense to me. You are saying that if you are poor and white you should have to compete with all other races for scholarships while if you are poor and **insert any other race or ethnicity here** you have your own set of scholarships that you can apply for and you can apply for the ones that are available to whites as well. Why should a poor, white high school student be treated any less than any other student? Whites that grow up in poverty are less deserving of a chance at an education? Poverty is poverty, that is why we should not attach a race to scholarships and instead base them on financial need, merit, and academics.

You say that poverty is disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities, which I do not dispute. However, if we just let all that are in need of assistance apply for any scholarship wouldn't they still receive the majority of scholarships based on need?

MM7-Did you know that a poor white student can go to amlost any public school in the state tuition free via the federal government? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[SonomaCat]

There are plenty of scholarships available to poor caucasian male children as well. But you're right that it would be strange to have a "whites makes only" scholarship, primarily because there is no reasonable motivation for such a program.

It would be nice if we lived in a society where there are no obvious differences in wealth between the races (and I do believe that this will happen one day, and it will be a very positive development). At that point, I totally agree it wouldn't make sense to have special scholarship programs for certain ethnicities.

But the reality is that, currently, poverty and lack of economic and education opportunities are disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities (Native Americans being one of those groups). Therefore, I have no problem at all with somebody donating their money to funds that seek to close those gaps by offering educational opportunities to people in those groups.

I'd be much less supportive of the idea if it was a government-funded program (as I think when it comes to government activities, the bar should be higher and they should base it all exclusively on need as opposed to any racial qualificiations, and the government has the resources to be able to obtain that information and make those kinds of distinctions), but as far as individuals donating their own money, I have no problem with it at all.

See....this just makes no sense to me. You are saying that if you are poor and white you should have to compete with all other races for scholarships while if you are poor and **insert any other race or ethnicity here** you have your own set of scholarships that you can apply for and you can apply for the ones that are available to whites as well. Why should a poor, white high school student be treated any less than any other student? Whites that grow up in poverty are less deserving of a chance at an education? Poverty is poverty, that is why we should not attach a race to scholarships and instead base them on financial need, merit, and academics.

You say that poverty is disproportionately seen in certain ethnicities, which I do not dispute. However, if we just let all that are in need of assistance apply for any scholarship wouldn't they still receive the majority of scholarships based on need?

I am saying that I have no problem at all with people donating their own money to scholarships for underpriviledged people of a certain ethnicity. Do you?

Is it discriminatory? Of course it is ... that what the word means. Is that a reason to not do it? I don't think so. Do you? Do you think we should criticize a person for donating their own money for the benefit of the education of others?

I already explicitly stated that I don't want government doing this sort of thing (and that I would much prefer government being color-blind and looking only to the facts and circumstances of each individual), but that I have no problem with private individuals doing this sort of thing if they choose. Do you actually disagree with my position? If so, what remedy do you think we should have to prevent whatever you think is bad about this?

[whitetrashgriz]

Situations like this one are more annoying to me than angering. Anyone has every right to give money to whoever they feel like. but it's getting a little tired for me seeing people getting away with things that a white person could never get away with. I have no problem with BET, and in fact i have tuned in a few times too. However, if a rich white guy started a station called white entertainment television, we'd have a civil war. I have no problem with the united negro college fund either. but i have a feeling there would be an uprising if someone created the united blond-haired blue eyed college fund. as extreme as alpha sometimes is, I happen to completely agree with him on this issue, as well as all of the similar issues regarding race. this doesn't make me racist. in fact, quite the opposite because i TRULY believe that we all should be treated the same. and it brings up a great question. for how long do we have to keep paying the price for things that the white man did to the blacks and native americans? is there a set time frame? and if so, how long till someone is ballsy enough to create a scholarship for whites only, and it not cause controversy?

[SonomaCat]

I have no problem with BET, and in fact i have tuned in a few times too. However, if a rich white guy started a station called white entertainment television, we'd have a civil war.

There already were "white entertainment television" channels at the time. They were collectively called "Every single other channel in existence at the time."

[whitetrashgriz]

I have no problem with BET, and in fact i have tuned in a few times too. However, if a rich white guy started a station called white entertainment television, we'd have a civil war.

There already were "white entertainment television" channels at the time. They were collectively called "Every single other channel in existence at the time."

i have heard that argument before, and disagreed with it then too. i don't recall any network referring to themselves as a station for white entertainment. the issue isn't how many worked for the network, because i have seen several white guys work for BET. the issue is right in the name. do you not agree that ****** would hit the fan if some rich guy had the balls to start White Entertainment Television?

[SonomaCat]

I have no problem with BET, and in fact i have tuned in a few times too. However, if a rich white guy started a station called white entertainment television, we'd have a civil war.

There already were "white entertainment television" channels at the time. They were collectively called "Every single other channel in existence at the time."

i have heard that argument before, and disagreed with it then too. i don't recall any network referring to themselves as a station for white entertainment. the issue isn't how many worked for the network, because i have seen several white guys work for BET. the issue is right in the name. do you not agree that ****** would hit the fan if some rich guy had the balls to start White Entertainment Television?

If a guy would have started something called "White Entertainment Television," he would simply have been mocked for being as socially and culterally retarded ... and nobody would have watched it and he would have lost tons of money.

I'm not sure how anyone can "disagree" with the statement that all of the TV networks at the time already catered largely (or even exclusively) to white audiences, and therefore it would have made no sense to try to carve out a niche as a "white entertainment" network.

I assume you also take exception to Asian TV stations and Hispanic TV Stations and Italian TV stations and Irish newpapers and (insert 20,000 more examples here)?

[whitetrashgriz]

I have no problem with BET, and in fact i have tuned in a few times too. However, if a rich white guy started a station called white entertainment television, we'd have a civil war.

There already were "white entertainment television" channels at the time. They were collectively called "Every single other channel in existence at the time."

i have heard that argument before, and disagreed with it then too. i don't recall any network referring to themselves as a station for white entertainment. the issue isn't how many worked for the network, because i have seen several white guys work for BET. the issue is right in the name. do you not agree that ****** would hit the fan if some rich guy had the balls to start White Entertainment Television?

If a guy would have started something called "White Entertainment Television," he would simply have been mocked for being as socially and culterally retarded ... and nobody would have watched it and he would have lost tons of money.

I'm not sure how anyone can "disagree" with the statement that all of the TV networks at the time already catered largely (or even exclusively) to white audiences, and therefore it would have made no sense to try to carve out a niche as a "white entertainment" network.

well first, i never said i disagreed that there were stations that catered to these guys. i specifically said i don't recall any station referring their station as white entertainment. you can see how there is a difference right? you proved my point exactly. BET=perfectly fine....WET=socially/culturally retarded. i think this is exactly what alpha was saying. is this something that is going to go on for the end of time? how long until someone, who is not a racist, just as i assume the founders of BET aren't racist, is allowed to start W.E.T. and not get blasted or labeled a ​, and how long until someone, who is not racist, is allowed to start a college fund for white kids only, and is allowed to call it just that without being labeled a ​? it's like everyone is so afraid of being called a racist, that they begin to lose sight of what is really trying to be the goal, and that is equality. it's like the coach in "remember the titans" who babies the black kids, and treats them different because he is afraid of what people think. that is, until the head coach (denzel) gets in his face and says that he may be tough on the kids, but he treats everyone of them the same. i don't have a problem with BET at all, where i have a problem is knowing that there would be hysteria if the tables were turned.

[SonomaCat]

well first, i never said i disagreed that there were stations that catered to these guys. i specifically said i don't recall any station referring their station as white entertainment. you can see how there is a difference right? you proved my point exactly. BET=perfectly fine....WET=socially/culturally retarded.

If you think I proved your point, then you completely missed my point.

And I'm fine with that. Carry on.

[whitetrashgriz]

well first, i never said i disagreed that there were stations that catered to these guys. i specifically said i don't recall any station referring their station as white entertainment. you can see how there is a difference right? you proved my point exactly. BET=perfectly fine....WET=socially/culturally retarded.

If you think I proved your point, then you completely missed my point.

And I'm fine with that. Carry on.