AP Spin Cycle on Hauck

[crazycat]

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/p ... 006/SPORTS

They made sure they filled this story, which is supposed to be about the UM admin. supporting Hauck, will a detailed recap of all the MSU problems.

Ricky Gatewood was arrested on drug charges. Gatewood was the sixth current or former MSU football player arrested. Of those, one has been charged with murder along with a former MSU basketball player.
Another factor in Kramer's firing was the fact that the football team was losing scholarships for failing to meet NCAA academic standards.

Montana's football teams have fared well in the classroom as well as on the field and aren't on the verge of changing coaches.

Never mind that only one player was currently on the team, they have it down as the 'sixth current or former...' Just seems like the AP has gone out of its way to continue mentioning MSU's problems whenever UM has trouble. Just about every story by the AP on UM's Wilson this summer had some mention of the crimes at MSU.

[Au Blue]

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/p ... 006/SPORTS

They made sure they filled this story, which is supposed to be about the UM admin. supporting Hauck, will a detailed recap of all the MSU problems.

Ricky Gatewood was arrested on drug charges. Gatewood was the sixth current or former MSU football player arrested. Of those, one has been charged with murder along with a former MSU basketball player.
Another factor in Kramer's firing was the fact that the football team was losing scholarships for failing to meet NCAA academic standards.

Montana's football teams have fared well in the classroom as well as on the field and aren't on the verge of changing coaches.

Never mind that only one player was currently on the team, they have it down as the 'sixth current or former...' Just seems like the AP has gone out of its way to continue mentioning MSU's problems whenever UM has trouble. Just about every story by the AP on UM's Wilson this summer had some mention of the crimes at MSU.

I hate it too but in all fairness had it happened at UM first and MSU second, UM would have been mentioned in all subsequent articles. But it sounds like Coulson could have a future with the AP. Just keep dredging up old news to fill a column.

[MSU Toddler]

"As long as I'm convinced of that and convinced that he's doing the job that he was hired to do, then I'm going to be supportive of him," Dennison said.

as long as BH continues to lose to the Cats, i'm supportive of him too.

on a serious note: it is disturbing that MSU continues to be mentioned, but heck - those things did happen just recently. my personal opinion is that the Cats are headed in the right direction now, but not so sure of UM given recent events. i know i may take heat for this, but would rather see a decent program with kids graduating and doing the right thing - then one winning at all costs and have troubles. there are some damn fine kids playing for both teams and it sucks that they all get the black eye.

also, i don't believe BH will be as a hot comodity as he could have been given these events.

[cats2506]

"As long as I'm convinced of that and convinced that he's doing the job that he was hired to do, then I'm going to be supportive of him," Dennison said.

as long as BH continues to lose to the Cats, i'm supportive of him too.

on a serious note: it is disturbing that MSU continues to be mentioned, but heck - those things did happen just recently. my personal opinion is that the Cats are headed in the right direction now, but not so sure of UM given recent events. i know i may take heat for this, but would rather see a decent program with kids graduating and doing the right thing - then one winning at all costs and have troubles. there are some damn fine kids playing for both teams and it sucks that they all get the black eye.

also, i don't believe BH will be as a hot comodity as he could have been given these events.

Especially after they lose the next two games. UM could be stuck with BH for awhile, thats fine with me.

[SonomaCat]

also, i don't believe BH will be as a hot comodity as he could have been given these events.

I totally agree ... this will probably keep him in Missoula at least one more year ... similar to the effect our problems had on preventing Kramer from getting the Idaho job and bringing him back (temporarily) to Bozeman.

[Eastcoastgriz]

Especially after they lose the next two games. UM could be stuck with BH for awhile, thats fine with me.

Great, works for me.

[GrizinWashington]

Especially after they lose the next two games. UM could be stuck with BH for awhile, thats fine with me.

Great, works for me.

Me too!!! I'll be VERY happy to retain the BSC's winniest coach and go 11-0 just about every year, and compete for NCs every other or so. Don't get to spend Thanksgiving at home, but that only seems important to cats.

[tampa_griz]

They made sure they filled this story, which is supposed to be about the UM admin. supporting Hauck, will a detailed recap of all the MSU problems........

Just seems like the AP has gone out of its way to continue mentioning MSU's problems whenever UM has trouble. Just about every story by the AP on UM's Wilson this summer had some mention of the crimes at MSU.

Of all people to whine..........

This isn't a comparison just thought it'd be interesting to see the rap sheets stacked up next to each other. Here's the crime tally going back to Miller/Lebrum murder arrest:

UM (7)
Coleman - Prior legal problems. Hit with burglary, kidnapping, assault w/weapon charge while at UM.
Pate - No known priors. Hit with same as Coleman.
Shelton - Prior academic problems. Hit with same as above.
Asst. BBall coach - Prior DUI. DUI while at UM.
Quinn - Prior DUIs (2) and kicked off OU team for taking unearned money. DUI while at UM.
Freeman - Prior problems. Accomplice in murder charge and legal trouble while at UM.
Wilson - No known priors. Murder while with UM.

MSU (7)
DW? - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU. Still loose?
Gatewood - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Fuller - No Known priors. Drug ring while at MSU.
Davis - Prior assault charge. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Sullivan - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Lebrum - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.
Miller (B-Ball) - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.

The situations are similar, but that they are the two major universities in one state, which just happens to be our state, that makes comparisons unavoidable.

If this were USC and UCLA, Espn would have a Tale of The Tape comparing the laws broken by the players and they'd be weighing it out.

Sorry CC, but your bitching is falling on deaf ears this time.......

[Weltercat]

They made sure they filled this story, which is supposed to be about the UM admin. supporting Hauck, will a detailed recap of all the MSU problems........

Just seems like the AP has gone out of its way to continue mentioning MSU's problems whenever UM has trouble. Just about every story by the AP on UM's Wilson this summer had some mention of the crimes at MSU.

Of all people to whine..........

This isn't a comparison just thought it'd be interesting to see the rap sheets stacked up next to each other. Here's the crime tally going back to Miller/Lebrum murder arrest:

UM (7)
Coleman - Prior legal problems. Hit with burglary, kidnapping, assault w/weapon charge while at UM.
Pate - No known priors. Hit with same as Coleman.
Shelton - Prior academic problems. Hit with same as above.
Asst. BBall coach - Prior DUI. DUI while at UM.
Quinn - Prior DUIs (2) and kicked off OU team for taking unearned money. DUI while at UM.
Freeman - Prior problems. Accomplice in murder charge and legal trouble while at UM.
Wilson - No known priors. Murder while with UM.

MSU (7)
DW? - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU. Still loose?
Gatewood - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Fuller - No Known priors. Drug ring while at MSU.
Davis - Prior assault charge. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Sullivan - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Lebrum - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.
Miller (B-Ball) - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.

The situations are similar, but that they are the two major universities in one state, which just happens to be our state, that makes comparisons unavoidable.

If this were USC and UCLA, Espn would have a Tale of The Tape comparing the laws broken by the players and they'd be weighing it out.

Sorry CC, but your bitching is falling on deaf ears this time.......

What is your point?

[PapaG]

Especially after they lose the next two games. UM could be stuck with BH for awhile, thats fine with me.

Great, works for me.

Me too!!! I'll be VERY happy to retain the BSC's winniest coach and go 11-0 just about every year, and compete for NCs every other or so. Don't get to spend Thanksgiving at home, but that only seems important to cats.

Has Hauck had an undefeated season? I honestly don't remember.

[tampa_griz]

They made sure they filled this story, which is supposed to be about the UM admin. supporting Hauck, will a detailed recap of all the MSU problems........

Just seems like the AP has gone out of its way to continue mentioning MSU's problems whenever UM has trouble. Just about every story by the AP on UM's Wilson this summer had some mention of the crimes at MSU.

Of all people to whine..........

This isn't a comparison just thought it'd be interesting to see the rap sheets stacked up next to each other. Here's the crime tally going back to Miller/Lebrum murder arrest:

UM (7)
Coleman - Prior legal problems. Hit with burglary, kidnapping, assault w/weapon charge while at UM.
Pate - No known priors. Hit with same as Coleman.
Shelton - Prior academic problems. Hit with same as above.
Asst. BBall coach - Prior DUI. DUI while at UM.
Quinn - Prior DUIs (2) and kicked off OU team for taking unearned money. DUI while at UM.
Freeman - Prior problems. Accomplice in murder charge and legal trouble while at UM.
Wilson - No known priors. Murder while with UM.

MSU (7)
DW? - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU. Still loose?
Gatewood - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Fuller - No Known priors. Drug ring while at MSU.
Davis - Prior assault charge. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Sullivan - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Lebrum - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.
Miller (B-Ball) - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.

The situations are similar, but that they are the two major universities in one state, which just happens to be our state, that makes comparisons unavoidable.

If this were USC and UCLA, Espn would have a Tale of The Tape comparing the laws broken by the players and they'd be weighing it out.

Sorry CC, but your bitching is falling on deaf ears this time.......

What is your point?

He makes a detailed a detailed list of UM's vs. MSU's illegal transgressions (while constantly reminding us that none of MSU's were engaging in this behavior while they were on the team), tells us that it's inevitable that sports writers would make a comparison between the two.........and then complains when a news story does that.

EDIT:

Then again, maybe the news story was just an exercise in academics, and not a comparison of each teams' problems. That was his explanation for the list.

[Weltercat]

They made sure they filled this story, which is supposed to be about the UM admin. supporting Hauck, will a detailed recap of all the MSU problems........

Just seems like the AP has gone out of its way to continue mentioning MSU's problems whenever UM has trouble. Just about every story by the AP on UM's Wilson this summer had some mention of the crimes at MSU.

Of all people to whine..........

This isn't a comparison just thought it'd be interesting to see the rap sheets stacked up next to each other. Here's the crime tally going back to Miller/Lebrum murder arrest:

UM (7)
Coleman - Prior legal problems. Hit with burglary, kidnapping, assault w/weapon charge while at UM.
Pate - No known priors. Hit with same as Coleman.
Shelton - Prior academic problems. Hit with same as above.
Asst. BBall coach - Prior DUI. DUI while at UM.
Quinn - Prior DUIs (2) and kicked off OU team for taking unearned money. DUI while at UM.
Freeman - Prior problems. Accomplice in murder charge and legal trouble while at UM.
Wilson - No known priors. Murder while with UM.

MSU (7)
DW? - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU. Still loose?
Gatewood - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Fuller - No Known priors. Drug ring while at MSU.
Davis - Prior assault charge. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Sullivan - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Lebrum - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.
Miller (B-Ball) - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.

The situations are similar, but that they are the two major universities in one state, which just happens to be our state, that makes comparisons unavoidable.

If this were USC and UCLA, Espn would have a Tale of The Tape comparing the laws broken by the players and they'd be weighing it out.

Sorry CC, but your bitching is falling on deaf ears this time.......

What is your point?

He makes a detailed a detailed list of UM's vs. MSU's illegal transgressions (while constantly reminding us that none of MSU's were engaging in this behavior while they were on the team), tells us that it's inevitable that sports writers would make a comparison between the two.........and then complains when a news story does that.

Well it is Cat/Griz week and you are on BobcatNation so expect a little slant.

Like Fox news. "We report you decide".

[tampa_griz]

Well it is Cat/Griz week and you are on BobcatNation so expect a little slant.

Like Fox news. "We report you decide".

I'm just trying to pull his thong back out of his throat.

[crazycat]

They made sure they filled this story, which is supposed to be about the UM admin. supporting Hauck, will a detailed recap of all the MSU problems........

Just seems like the AP has gone out of its way to continue mentioning MSU's problems whenever UM has trouble. Just about every story by the AP on UM's Wilson this summer had some mention of the crimes at MSU.

Of all people to whine..........

This isn't a comparison just thought it'd be interesting to see the rap sheets stacked up next to each other. Here's the crime tally going back to Miller/Lebrum murder arrest:

UM (7)
Coleman - Prior legal problems. Hit with burglary, kidnapping, assault w/weapon charge while at UM.
Pate - No known priors. Hit with same as Coleman.
Shelton - Prior academic problems. Hit with same as above.
Asst. BBall coach - Prior DUI. DUI while at UM.
Quinn - Prior DUIs (2) and kicked off OU team for taking unearned money. DUI while at UM.
Freeman - Prior problems. Accomplice in murder charge and legal trouble while at UM.
Wilson - No known priors. Murder while with UM.

MSU (7)
DW? - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU. Still loose?
Gatewood - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Fuller - No Known priors. Drug ring while at MSU.
Davis - Prior assault charge. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Sullivan - No known priors. Drug ring after leaving MSU.
Lebrum - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.
Miller (B-Ball) - No known priors. Murder and drug charges after leaving MSU.

The situations are similar, but that they are the two major universities in one state, which just happens to be our state, that makes comparisons unavoidable.

If this were USC and UCLA, Espn would have a Tale of The Tape comparing the laws broken by the players and they'd be weighing it out.

Sorry CC, but your bitching is falling on deaf ears this time.......

What is your point?

He makes a detailed a detailed list of UM's vs. MSU's illegal transgressions (while constantly reminding us that none of MSU's were engaging in this behavior while they were on the team), tells us that it's inevitable that sports writers would make a comparison between the two.........and then complains when a news story does that.

EDIT:

Then again, maybe the news story was just an exercise in academics, and not a comparison of each teams' problems. That was his explanation for the list.

The AP story was supposed to be about the UM admin's support of Hauck, but somehow they worked it out so they could include MSU's problems, too. My list was just what it was...a list. It wasn't designed to make one school look better or worse than the other and it doesn't. They both look bad.

I didn't start talking about how Kramer had this problem and then slipped in UM's problems. TG: You just haven't had a taste of this yet. Hopefully for all of us you won't, but if MSU gets in more trouble and AP decides to include all of UM's misfortunes in a story they headline as being about MSU's new problem, you'll get the drift here.

[tampa_griz]

The AP story was supposed to be about the UM admin's support of Hauck, but somehow they worked it out so they could include MSU's problems, too. My list was just what it was...a list. It wasn't designed to make one school look better or worse than the other and it doesn't. They both look bad.

And that's all the AP's story was........just a list. Nothing more.

[crazycat]

The AP story was supposed to be about the UM admin's support of Hauck, but somehow they worked it out so they could include MSU's problems, too. My list was just what it was...a list. It wasn't designed to make one school look better or worse than the other and it doesn't. They both look bad.

And that's all the AP's story was........just a list. Nothing more.

There's an obvious disconnect here. The AP story was about how UM's admin was supporting Hauck, yet somehow it included a rundown of MSU's past problems. Why?

I simply listed all the players that were arrested, what they were arrested for, their status with their team, and their previous brushes with the law. I didn't start out talking about glazed doughnuts and then mention UM's criminal cases between telling your the measurements for flour and sugar, did I?

[Grizlaw]

There's an obvious disconnect here. The AP story was about how UM's admin was supporting Hauck, yet somehow it included a rundown of MSU's past problems. Why?

I honestly do understand why you're frustrated with this (I have actually had a similar situation in my own life, where someone I am close to got into some trouble, and even though it's old news at this point, it still gets gratuitously mentioned in the newspaper on occasion for no apparent reason). But, if you read this particular article, I actually think it would have been weird not to discuss MSU's situation.

O'Day mentioned the Kramer situation in his quote (which also made sense; he was explaining the contrast between UM's support of Hauck vs. MSU's firing of Kramer). If they were going to include that quote, it would have been weird not to explain the situation, wouldn't it? I mean, I know it's frustrating to you guys to keep reading about it, but it's not like everyone in the country who reads the AP newswire is intimately familiar with the situation at MSU.

[Grizlaw]

Has Hauck had an undefeated season? I honestly don't remember.

I think this will be his first.

[crazycat]

Grizlaw,
I see what you mean, but....

First AP says:

seven Montana football players have been in trouble with the law

Pretty innocuous description. They do go into more detail near the end of the story.

Then the quote by O'Day:

"I think there's a lot of misunderstanding of the situation at Montana State. The piece that doesn't add in here is the educational piece."

This highlights APR and skims over crime.

The AP immediately follows with:

Kramer, who coached the Bobcat football team for seven seasons, was fired in May shortly after former wide receiver Ricky Gatewood was arrested on drug charges. Gatewood was the sixth current or former MSU football player arrested. Of those, one has been charged with murder along with a former MSU basketball player.
Another factor in Kramer's firing was the fact that the football team was losing scholarships for failing to meet NCAA academic standards.

To match O'Day this should've led with the second paragraph about academics, then a not so misleading second graph that matched O'Day's words. The first sentence would've been appropriate had it just ended with "...in May shortly after a sixth former player was arrested as part of a drug ring." It could've followed with something about another player that was currently on the team was also arrested in connection with these crimes. I/m 50/50 on mentioning the murder, but if this is about Kramer why throw the basketball player in there? In a nutshell it would've matched O'Day's comment without all the details.

I think it was Dennison who said in another article, "We don't go looking for transfers, they come looking for us." A good question would be, "Why? And what difference does it make in terms of who ends up at UM." Obviously its a good team, so transfers find it attractive, but are they also looking at UM, because UM has a history of taking guys with prior problmes. And does the fact that UM doesn't go looking mean they have to take guys with prior problems. His comment leads one to believe that UM is some sort of elite place, if so then why doesn't who the school selects to transfer mimic that?

[crazycat]

I thought the AP worded this article properly.

http://missoulian.com/articles/2007/11/ ... s/br62.txt