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Post by LTown Cat » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:52 am

STREETCAT wrote:
Ponycat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote:
Ponycat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote: U honestly think that every drug case in bozeman is connected to Lebrum and Miller???
Once again, who in their right mind has ever said this???

Wow ur retarted!
Your the one spouting off about people saying every drug case is related to Lebrum and Miller. I personally have never seen these phantom quotes.
U must have missed the news last night

check it out http://www.Montanasnewsstation.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sec ... id=2695872

This may or may not be any new info. I believe by saying it could be connected to the murder they simply mean that futher evidence may have come about due to the ongoing murder investigation. For example, drug receipts, computer records, etc. I don't think anybody officially connected or implied connection to the murder itself.



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Post by Cat Grad » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:04 pm

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sec ... id=2695872

This may or may not be any new info. I believe by saying it could be connected to the murder they simply mean that futher evidence may have come about due to the ongoing murder investigation. For example, drug receipts, computer records, etc. I don't think anybody officially connected or implied connection to the murder itself.[/quote]


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Post by Ponycat » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:05 pm

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U must have missed the news last night

check it out http://www.Montanasnewsstation.com
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong place but I still don't see where anybody claimed all drug cases in Bozeman are related to Lebrum and Miller


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Post by CelticCat » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:10 pm

Bozeman has a very high drug rate. Maybe the problem isn't the kids themselves (at first), but the people they end up associating with at MSU. Maybe Bozeman corrupts them. When I came to Bozeman I could not believe the amount of drugs some people told me they did or have done. I had never even seen drugs (well I had seen pot in Helena, first day at Capital, good start to a new school), but I have seen some bad sh*t in Bozeman. I could see how it would be very easy to get drug (no pun intended) into a bad circle.


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Post by DCC2MSU » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:25 pm

STREETCAT wrote:
Ponycat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote:
Ponycat wrote:
STREETCAT wrote: U honestly think that every drug case in bozeman is connected to Lebrum and Miller???
Once again, who in their right mind has ever said this???

Wow ur retarted!
Your the one spouting off about people saying every drug case is related to Lebrum and Miller. I personally have never seen these phantom quotes.


U must have missed the news last night

check it out http://www.Montanasnewsstation.com
I'm not sure what it means to be retarted, but hopefully it is a good thing Pony.

This is one drug case that may be linked to the murder. How do you go from that to every drug case is now linked to the murder? Considering the time frame and seriousness of that crime, I think they are justified to look into a connection. Maybe there is one and maybe there isn't, but you can't just blow it off.



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Post by tampa_griz » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:09 pm

roofman71 wrote:This type of thing does not happen just in Bozeman and it is not limited to athletes. This happens in Missoula just as much but they just do a better job of keeping it out of the media. UM must have a very good relationship with the media to protect their athletes. Look a Murphy, he was just named 1-AA All-American yet he was caught dealing Cocaine this past summer, but someone else took the fall for it. Did you start calling the Regents over that incident? So don't get to carried away before you start making phone calls.
Do you have a source for this roofman? Who took the fall for Murphy? Are the Flathead County authorities on the UM payroll?



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Post by MSU Toddler » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:26 pm

most of the griz fans have been pretty good about the recent chain of events for the Bobcats and i thank them for that - since the few don't represent the majority of athletes and fans. why try to bring them into this issue at all? it just serves no purpose.

in any case, i feel like hibernating from this until things are on solid ground.....
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Post by Grizlaw » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:32 pm

roofman71 wrote:This type of thing does not happen just in Bozeman and it is not limited to athletes. This happens in Missoula just as much but they just do a better job of keeping it out of the media. UM must have a very good relationship with the media to protect their athletes. Look a Murphy, he was just named 1-AA All-American yet he was caught dealing Cocaine this past summer, but someone else took the fall for it. Did you start calling the Regents over that incident? So don't get to carried away before you start making phone calls.
Wait a second...I'm not much of a smack talker, and I'm not going to bash MSU as an institution for this incident (nor have I ever bashed MSU for this sort of thing in the past), but if you're going to start smearing specific Griz players with this trash, you better have some proof. Otherwise, you'd be well-advised to STFU (and the mods would also probably be well-advised to delete this crap, but obviously, that's their call).


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Post by canyoncat » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:38 pm

Grizlaw wrote:
roofman71 wrote:This type of thing does not happen just in Bozeman and it is not limited to athletes. This happens in Missoula just as much but they just do a better job of keeping it out of the media. UM must have a very good relationship with the media to protect their athletes. Look a Murphy, he was just named 1-AA All-American yet he was caught dealing Cocaine this past summer, but someone else took the fall for it. Did you start calling the Regents over that incident? So don't get to carried away before you start making phone calls.
Wait a second...I'm not much of a smack talker, and I'm not going to bash MSU as an institution for this incident (nor have I ever bashed MSU for this sort of thing in the past), but if you're going to start smearing specific Griz players with this trash, you better have some proof. Otherwise, you'd be well-advised to STFU (and the mods would also probably be well-advised to delete this crap, but obviously, that's their call).
Agreed, there is no use bring up what might have happened or didn't happen (because we don't know) up. Delete!



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Post by tampa_griz » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:40 pm

MSU Toddler wrote:most of the griz fans have been pretty good about the recent chain of events for the Bobcats and i thank them for that - since the few don't represent the majority of athletes and fans. why try to bring them into this issue at all? it just serves no purpose.

in any case, i feel like hibernating from this until things are on solid ground.....
Griz fans piling on would definitely be "unclassy". :)

And I'm glad I've seen restraint. Here's to hoping you guys get this figured out.



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Post by Topher » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:00 pm

tampa_griz wrote:
MSU Toddler wrote:most of the griz fans have been pretty good about the recent chain of events for the Bobcats and i thank them for that - since the few don't represent the majority of athletes and fans. why try to bring them into this issue at all? it just serves no purpose.

in any case, i feel like hibernating from this until things are on solid ground.....
Griz fans piling on would definitely be "unclassy". :)

And I'm glad I've seen restraint. Here's to hoping you guys get this figured out.
I don't think any college can take the moral high ground here. I saw drug use while attending UM, and in fact witnessed players smoking "not cigarettes". However, the only time I witnessed anything directly was OUT OF SEASON. I don't think smoking pot is a big deal, but that is neither here nor there.

We don't know these allegations are true, and if they are I hope the issue gets nipped in the bud. I believe MSU is fully capable of turning this around, and get back on track. I think other schools should use this event to take a closer look at what is going on under their noses, and not to play the holier than thou card.

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Post by crazycat » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:04 pm

Yes, we need to figure out how to have drug dealers and users on our team without having them get caught. We also need to figure out how to keep players we kick off the team or who are no longer on the team from getting in trouble. :roll:

Having players get busted for drugs might just mean that there's a good law enforcement body in place or that the law enforcement in the Bozeman area spends a lot of time on busting drug users. It could also mean (and this seems to be the prevailing thought) that we simply have a lot of drug users and dealers on our sports teams.

My point is that there's a lot of different situations or a combination of them, that it's hard to place a label (like it's these damn out-of-staters) on this.



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Post by Topher » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:23 pm

crazycat wrote:Yes, we need to figure out how to have drug dealers and users on our team without having them get caught. We also need to figure out how to keep players we kick off the team or who are no longer on the team from getting in trouble. :roll:

Having players get busted for drugs might just mean that there's a good law enforcement body in place or that the law enforcement in the Bozeman area spends a lot of time on busting drug users. It could also mean (and this seems to be the prevailing thought) that we simply have a lot of drug users and dealers on our sports teams.

My point is that there's a lot of different situations or a combination of them, that it's hard to place a label (like it's these damn out-of-staters) on this.
I am guessing the majority of the casual pot smokers on your teams don't get caught. It's not the greatest thought, but marijuana is a commoly used substance (from athletes to actors to Joe and Betty up the street).

Does this make it ok? Probably not, but there is a huge difference between the grass I saw smoked at the U, and the accusations of these athletes.

You try to put too many people under one umbrella "drug dealers and users", and I just don't buy this assessment. Under this scale Willie Nelson (a frequent pot user) is no better than ruthless druglords such as Pablo Escobar. Keep in mind this all comes from someone whom has NEVER smoked pot at all (not even once).


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Post by tetoncat » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:35 pm

The problem I have with most posters is laying blame on the University. someone brought up the 10 students caught in a drug ring. Some from out of state and some from MT. It got no attention on this board and small articles in State newspapers, no national coverage on ESPN or SI.com and numerous post like this latest issue.

Did they screw up, yes they did. Are they bad people, well lets have the facts come out. I don't know any of them. Maybe they were users and the informant asked them to get them some so they went to a supplier got some and looked at a chance to make a little cash. This doesn't make it right but is also a far cry from a major drug dealer out pushing to our kids. Let these guys take the blame and the punishment.

Finally, I would bet that every week in the chronicle there is a long list of Students getting DUI's, MIP's, drug related offenses, and minor or worse assault charges. These do not make front page headlines tieing them to MSU and the Engineering program. Many may have been a valedictorian or their class and on a free ride like our athletes. A crime is a crime and until we figure out how to lump them all in, athletes will be judged more harshly. You can condemn the University and the coaches but I believe they should be judged more on how they handle a violation than that they have them within the program. If you let the person off easy to keep them on the team that should be punished. If you are trying education and other techniques and kick them off if something happens that is about all we can expect. Even the best recruiting is not going to weed out all the trouble makers.


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