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Post by GOKATS » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:21 pm

bobcatbob wrote:It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.
They both posted $10,000 bond, so it must have some impact.


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Post by Hell's Bells » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:25 pm

GOKATS wrote:
bobcatbob wrote:It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.
They both posted $10,000 bond, so it must have some impact.
i wonder how they got the ten grand? :D


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Post by GOKATS » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:29 pm

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bobcatbob wrote:It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.
They both posted $10,000 bond, so it must have some impact.
i wonder how they got the ten grand? :D
Wasn't any of my money. Does make you wonder though. :evil:
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Post by Hell's Bells » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:30 pm

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bobcatbob wrote:It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.
They both posted $10,000 bond, so it must have some impact.
i wonder how they got the ten grand? :D
Wasn't any of my money.
not any of mind. i am wonder if they sold any?


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Post by bobcatmaniac » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:32 pm

kstack wrote:Yeah, I don't want to really say too much before we know the facts for sure. I hate speculation. And I think the majority of the guys on the team are pretty good. And we are definately not the only school to have dumbasses, this happens in lots of places. But it doesn't make it right. Leblanc is a great example. He gets suspended, supposedly for steroids, everybody is disappointed. Then he comes back and so many people welcome him back with open arms (I wasn't one of them). Then he shows his true self and punches that guy in the Appalachian game and generally acts like an idiot and disrepects his university. I love Montana State, and Bozeman, but I hate seeing students with scholarships (which they don't deserve and could probably care less about in the first place) run around this town like they own it and deface the institution. I would rather see a 0-11 team with great guys than what we have now. And I know there will always be bad apples, but isn't this getting excessive? Sorry for the rant folks.
Agreed. That is why I was so pissed at the beginning of this thread. I support athletics financially along with many other posters here. I feel I am not getting my dollars worth. I wonder if I can go after these fools for not upholding their end of the bargain. We gave them money to play sports and I assume follow ncaa rules, which, I assume, include not committing crimes of any kind. I am not paying them to go to school to sell or use drugs. I feel my investment is not paying off. Now all you loser athletes owe me money. I say daily or at the very least weekly drug testing. They get to pay for it (athletes)



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Post by GOKATS » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:33 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
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GOKATS wrote:
bobcatbob wrote:It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.
They both posted $10,000 bond, so it must have some impact.
i wonder how they got the ten grand? :D
Wasn't any of my money.
not any of mind. i am wonder if they sold any?[/quote]

Apparently some................ :lol:


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Post by badasscat » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:35 pm

Hell's Bells wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
bobcatbob wrote:It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.
They both posted $10,000 bond, so it must have some impact.
i wonder how they got the ten grand? :D
For bail you only have to come up with 10% if you go through a bail bondsmen, so they only had to raise 1K. I know that you were joking but thought I would just throw that out there.
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Post by Hell's Bells » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:35 pm

GOKATS wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote:
GOKATS wrote:
bobcatbob wrote:It was mentioned on another news staion that Derrick Davis sold cocaine to an undercover agent. I don't know how that impacts on Fuller and Sullivan.
They both posted $10,000 bond, so it must have some impact.
i wonder how they got the ten grand? :D
Wasn't any of my money.
i wonder if they sold any?
Apparently some................ :lol:
wow im glad the engilsh police arent out tonight :shock:

how does anyone come up with 10 grand in a span of a weekend?


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Post by bobcatbob » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:36 pm

I wonder how this impacts Kramer going to Idaho! There are already posts about this on the vandalvenue board! WOW!



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Post by SonomaCat » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:39 pm

Hell's Bells wrote: how does anyone come up with 10 grand in a span of a weekend?
Bail bondsmen, friends, savings accounts, checking accounts, etc.

$10K isn't a terribly large bond ... especially if you have been doing good business in drug sales.
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Post by Hell's Bells » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:39 pm

bobcatbob wrote:I wonder how this impacts Kramer going to Idaho! There are already posts about this on the vandalvenue board! WOW!
well john l smith has withdrawn his interest from the idaho job


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Post by DCC2MSU » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:42 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote: how does anyone come up with 10 grand in a span of a weekend?
Bail bondsmen, friends, savings accounts, checking accounts, etc.

$10K isn't a terribly large bond.
I don't know, I remember a friend getting thrown in the slammer while I was there and when we went to get him they told us we needed ~$1,300. We had no chance of coming up with that amount so he had to put it on a credit card. We also didn't have 'extra' income sources though.



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Post by SonomaCat » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:45 pm

DCC2MSU wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
Hell's Bells wrote: how does anyone come up with 10 grand in a span of a weekend?
Bail bondsmen, friends, savings accounts, checking accounts, etc.

$10K isn't a terribly large bond.
I don't know, I remember a friend getting thrown in the slammer while I was there and when we went to get him they told us we needed ~$1,300. We had no chance of coming up with that amount so he had to put it on a credit card. We also didn't have 'extra' income sources though.
I'm not saying it is a small amount, but in terms of felony bonds, I could see a guy skipping town and forfeiting a $10K bond very, very easily. That tells me it isn't a major, major case, or else the bond would be much higher.



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Post by The Butcher » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:48 pm

bobcatbob wrote:Coach Kramer talked about this very subject at the Coaches Corner last week. He talked about how since the O'Brien case and the most recent murder case how much they talk about this and educate these guys on this subject. It is something that they devote an enormous amount of effort to. But, he pointed out that they are college kids and often do not make good decisons. That they make mistakes like college kids do. He mentioned how they have changed how they look at potential recruits and how careful they are. The pressure has been brutal in this area on the coaches and the players. He said every morning he wakes up he fears that something like this happened the previous night.

For the coaches and the University it's their worst nightmare! This is totally sad!
I honestly think that if Kramer spent more time with his players he would become much more aware of these types of actions. The players know who is doing what, and if Kramer really was listening this may not have gotten this far (especially with Fuller). Players keep tabs on each other while they are on the team and long after they leave. Kramer is represented by the guys he recruits and plays. These guys are HIS representation in Bozeman. Would you allow people of poor character represent you? There have been too many incidents to say, “Boys will be boys.”

Selling drugs! This is a HUGE deal. I can’t turn a blind eye…



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Post by DCC2MSU » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:49 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
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Hell's Bells wrote: how does anyone come up with 10 grand in a span of a weekend?
Bail bondsmen, friends, savings accounts, checking accounts, etc.

$10K isn't a terribly large bond.
I don't know, I remember a friend getting thrown in the slammer while I was there and when we went to get him they told us we needed ~$1,300. We had no chance of coming up with that amount so he had to put it on a credit card. We also didn't have 'extra' income sources though.
I'm not saying it is a small amount, but in terms of felony bonds, I could see a guy skipping town and forfeiting a $10K bond very, very easily. That tells me it isn't a major, major case, or else the bond would be much higher.
I see what you mean. I just remember what a shock it was when the two of us that first went to get him only had about $15 between us.



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Post by Cannonball » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:03 pm

This is not smack, this is fact.

I don't think that State has to worry about losing Kramer to Idaho now. With the record of a coach dealing drugs, an alleged murder by a former player, and now more drug dealings by current and former players no other program in the nation would want anything to do with the coach who recruited and hired the quality, or lack thereof, of players and coaches that have entered the State program since Kramer has been at the helm.

I, for one, will be on the phone tomorrow to the Board of Regents, to demand that they look at this on going embarssment to the State of Montana. This has to end now.



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Post by bobcatgrad2005 » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:09 pm

The shocking thin is that Fuller comes from a good family. His mom is very involved in his life. Davis' dad is an assistant high school coach.

I'm not trying to turn this into a philosophical question, but is it a reflection of something bigger in American society? Everyone I know said these guys were great guys. Hardworking. Caring. WTF!?

If they sold it, all proceeds should go to MSU athletics.



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Post by SonomaCat » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:11 pm

bobcatgrad2005 wrote:The shocking thin is that Fuller comes from a good family. His mom is very involved in his life. Davis' dad is an assistant high school coach.

I'm not trying to turn this into a philosophical question, but is it a reflection of something bigger in American society? Everyone I know said these guys were great guys. Hardworking. Caring. WTF!?

If they sold it, all proceeds should go to MSU athletics.
If they were dealing ... there is nothing to say that a drug dealer can't be both hardworking and a caring person (any less so than a bartender, in many ways), but it does say that they are willing to break the law for profit. It shows that their character flaw was probably greed.



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Post by GOKATS » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:13 pm

Cannonball wrote:This is not smack, this is fact.

I don't think that State has to worry about losing Kramer to Idaho now. With the record of a coach dealing drugs, an alleged murder by a former player, and now more drug dealings by current and former players no other program in the nation would want anything to do with the coach who recruited and hired the quality, or lack thereof, of players and coaches that have entered the State program since Kramer has been at the helm.

I, for one, will be on the phone tomorrow to the Board of Regents, to demand that they look at this on going embarssment to the State of Montana. This has to end now.
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Post by badasscat » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:24 pm

Cannonball wrote:This is not smack, this is fact.

I don't think that State has to worry about losing Kramer to Idaho now. With the record of a coach dealing drugs, an alleged murder by a former player, and now more drug dealings by current and former players no other program in the nation would want anything to do with the coach who recruited and hired the quality, or lack thereof, of players and coaches that have entered the State program since Kramer has been at the helm.

I, for one, will be on the phone tomorrow to the Board of Regents, to demand that they look at this on going embarssment to the State of Montana. This has to end now.
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