Bobcats - "Flagship Program of the Big Sky"

[Citizen Griz]

There were a number of occasions where the bid determined UM would be at home against a higher ranked opponent. Money talks and the NCAA is a gaggle of Ho's.

Statements like the one above make you sound like an ignorant ass.

I can think of one game in the last 15 years in which UM hosted a playoff game in which it was seeded lower than the team it played.

That game was against McNeese State in 1994. UM's bid was simply more than McNeese's bid, which is really no different than how MSU landed a home game against Furman, with one exception--- Montana had the assurance of two loyal boosters that if the gate didn't cover the bid, they would step forward and cover the difference.

But the attendance was actually good enough that ticket sales covered the bid just fine. You can imagine the kind of hole a school digs itself into when attendance is several thousand fans weaker than expected. The bid to the NCAA still has to be paid.

[SonomaCat]

So you said he sounds like an ignorant ass, and then you proceed to post details that reinforce the very point he was making....

[appgrad1]

Wow, I wasn't giving the Cats much of a chance on Saturday, but if their coach is that clueless, I think you Cats might just sneak out of Boone with the victory.

Anyone who thinks Coach Moore is clueless is an IDIOT!!! He's only the all-time winningest coach is Southern Conference football. His achievements last year speak for themselves. He made the transition from a team that played "smash-mouth" football, to a no-huddle spread offense in his 15th year at ASU (this is his 18th year.)

The way I heard that quote was that he said he knew little about MSU. Unlike Coastal Carolina, where ASU & CCU have played four common teams this year, ASU & MSU have no common opponents. Watching tape is fine & educational, but the real game is a reality check. I may be clueless, but I'll guarantee you Coach Moore is not.

Furthermore, Coach Moore is a true gentleman. He will NEVER criticize an opposing team. EVER. I even saw a radio interviewer try to bait him into criticising another team, re: their dirty play, bad calls, taunting, etc. He simply would not do it. He will find something positive to say or say nothing. You will not find "bulletin board" material coming from him. AND, during the game, he won't lose his temper nor his focus nor his cool. If he goes up by more than two scores at anytime during the game, for all intents and purposes, the game is OVER.

So, keep your clueless comments to yourself. AND WELCOME TO THE ROCK!

[083190]

There were a number of occasions where the bid determined UM would be at home against a higher ranked opponent. Money talks and the NCAA is a gaggle of Ho's.

Statements like the one above make you sound like an ignorant ass.

I can think of one game in the last 15 years in which UM hosted a playoff game in which it was seeded lower than the team it played.

That game was against McNeese State in 1994. UM's bid was simply more than McNeese's bid, which is really no different than how MSU landed a home game against Furman, with one exception--- Montana had the assurance of two loyal boosters that if the gate didn't cover the bid, they would step forward and cover the difference.

But the attendance was actually good enough that ticket sales covered the bid just fine. You can imagine the kind of hole a school digs itself into when attendance is several thousand fans weaker than expected. The bid to the NCAA still has to be paid.

Why do you say things that hurt me so.....?

[GRZZ]

Wow, I wasn't giving the Cats much of a chance on Saturday, but if their coach is that clueless, I think you Cats might just sneak out of Boone with the victory.

Anyone who thinks Coach Moore is clueless is an IDIOT!!! He's only the all-time winningest coach is Southern Conference football. His achievements last year speak for themselves. He made the transition from a team that played "smash-mouth" football, to a no-huddle spread offense in his 15th year at ASU (this is his 18th year.)

The way I heard that quote was that he said he knew little about MSU. Unlike Coastal Carolina, where ASU & CCU have played four common teams this year, ASU & MSU have no common opponents. Watching tape is fine & educational, but the real game is a reality check. I may be clueless, but I'll guarantee you Coach Moore is not.

Furthermore, Coach Moore is a true gentleman. He will NEVER criticize an opposing team. EVER. I even saw a radio interviewer try to bait him into criticising another team, re: their dirty play, bad calls, taunting, etc. He simply would not do it. He will find something positive to say or say nothing. You will not find "bulletin board" material coming from him. AND, during the game, he won't lose his temper nor his focus nor his cool. If he goes up by more than two scores at anytime during the game, for all intents and purposes, the game is OVER.

So, keep your clueless comments to yourself. AND WELCOME TO THE ROCK!

He said the Bobcats were better than the Griz, Griz fans can respond to that in good standing just like any team in our position would. I don't think anyone is that out of line with their clueless comments. And they are saying that if the Griz happen to play App State in the chipper, that would be bulletin board material. And whether or not he mean it as smack (Which he absolutely did not), it would be bulletin board material in that game. I don't think anyone is intentionally attacking your coach, but I don't know how closely he paid attention to the Big Sky this year. Thats all. If you re-read my post I said that he is saying nothing but positive things about his opponent, much like Kramer does. His record speaks for him, but our record speaks for us too.

[Grizzfan]

OK, let's stipulate that Coach Moore is correct: "Montana State is the flagship" of the Big Sky.

Let us also not forget that the Montana Grizzlies are the "Last Football Dynasty".

Get after 'em Cats. Make the entire state of Montana proud!!

And, while we're at it: GO GRIZ!!!

(That's as close as I could get to maroon; you guys took it off didn't you!!!)

Tom

[tampa_griz]

So you said he sounds like an ignorant ass, and then you proceed to post details that reinforce the very point he was making....

I thought the same thing. Good to know you're all not "ignorant asses".

[Cat Grad]

OK, let's stipulate that Coach Moore is correct: "Montana State is the flagship" of the Big Sky.

Let us also not forget that the Montana Grizzlies are the "Last Football Dynasty".

Get after 'em Cats. Make the entire state of Montana proud!!

And, while we're at it: GO GRIZ!!!

(That's as close as I could get to maroon; you guys took it off didn't you!!!)

Tom

Isn't doughboy the one that hung that moniker on you

Just darken your pink up a little and it'll be your latest color instead of your real school color: brown (and that's what "The Last Football Dynasty" an ya'll have in common Geeezzzzz, ya'll can't even give us a chance with what this team has done without coming in here spouting off about the dang fizzlies

[Sportin' Life]

Wow, I wasn't giving the Cats much of a chance on Saturday, but if their coach is that clueless, I think you Cats might just sneak out of Boone with the victory.

Anyone who thinks Coach Moore is clueless is an IDIOT!!!

A little testy, huh? You didn't catch the humor in my post? Even with the funny emoticon?

I suppose not since you also missed the fact that I am a Griz fan. You know the team that won the Big Sky conference. A fact of which your gentleman coach seems unaware.

Anyways, good luck to your Mountaineers. They are a hell of a good team this year. But I sure hope the Cats can bring 'em down this Saturday. And if they don't I sure hope the Griz will in a bit over a fortnight.

[grizzh8r]

Wow, I wasn't giving the Cats much of a chance on Saturday, but if their coach is that clueless, I think you Cats might just sneak out of Boone with the victory.

Anyone who thinks Coach Moore is clueless is an IDIOT!!! He's only the all-time winningest coach is Southern Conference football. His achievements last year speak for themselves. He made the transition from a team that played "smash-mouth" football, to a no-huddle spread offense in his 15th year at ASU (this is his 18th year.)

The way I heard that quote was that he said he knew little about MSU. Unlike Coastal Carolina, where ASU & CCU have played four common teams this year, ASU & MSU have no common opponents. Watching tape is fine & educational, but the real game is a reality check. I may be clueless, but I'll guarantee you Coach Moore is not.

Furthermore, Coach Moore is a true gentleman. He will NEVER criticize an opposing team. EVER. I even saw a radio interviewer try to bait him into criticising another team, re: their dirty play, bad calls, taunting, etc. He simply would not do it. He will find something positive to say or say nothing. You will not find "bulletin board" material coming from him. AND, during the game, he won't lose his temper nor his focus nor his cool. If he goes up by more than two scores at anytime during the game, for all intents and purposes, the game is OVER.

So, keep your clueless comments to yourself. AND WELCOME TO THE ROCK!

Both teams played Furman - wouln't they be considered a common opponent?

[Cat in NC]

Wow, I wasn't giving the Cats much of a chance on Saturday, but if their coach is that clueless, I think you Cats might just sneak out of Boone with the victory.

Anyone who thinks Coach Moore is clueless is an IDIOT!!! He's only the all-time winningest coach is Southern Conference football. His achievements last year speak for themselves. He made the transition from a team that played "smash-mouth" football, to a no-huddle spread offense in his 15th year at ASU (this is his 18th year.)

The way I heard that quote was that he said he knew little about MSU. Unlike Coastal Carolina, where ASU & CCU have played four common teams this year, ASU & MSU have no common opponents. Watching tape is fine & educational, but the real game is a reality check. I may be clueless, but I'll guarantee you Coach Moore is not.

Furthermore, Coach Moore is a true gentleman. He will NEVER criticize an opposing team. EVER. I even saw a radio interviewer try to bait him into criticising another team, re: their dirty play, bad calls, taunting, etc. He simply would not do it. He will find something positive to say or say nothing. You will not find "bulletin board" material coming from him. AND, during the game, he won't lose his temper nor his focus nor his cool. If he goes up by more than two scores at anytime during the game, for all intents and purposes, the game is OVER.

So, keep your clueless comments to yourself. AND WELCOME TO THE ROCK!

If I were new to a board, I would read a poster's signature line if I wasn't sure who he supported. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that a die-hard Cat fan's signature would include a line referencing a "faggy bobcat". That being said, I think you're welcoming a Griz fan to The Rock. Exactly how could the Griz be playing at The Rock this year?

As for your opinions on Coach Moore, I agree with you 100%. He is 100% class and 100% winner. Nowhere near clueless...

[Cat in NC]

Wow, I wasn't giving the Cats much of a chance on Saturday, but if their coach is that clueless, I think you Cats might just sneak out of Boone with the victory.

Anyone who thinks Coach Moore is clueless is an IDIOT!!! He's only the all-time winningest coach is Southern Conference football. His achievements last year speak for themselves. He made the transition from a team that played "smash-mouth" football, to a no-huddle spread offense in his 15th year at ASU (this is his 18th year.)

The way I heard that quote was that he said he knew little about MSU. Unlike Coastal Carolina, where ASU & CCU have played four common teams this year, ASU & MSU have no common opponents. Watching tape is fine & educational, but the real game is a reality check. I may be clueless, but I'll guarantee you Coach Moore is not.

Furthermore, Coach Moore is a true gentleman. He will NEVER criticize an opposing team. EVER. I even saw a radio interviewer try to bait him into criticising another team, re: their dirty play, bad calls, taunting, etc. He simply would not do it. He will find something positive to say or say nothing. You will not find "bulletin board" material coming from him. AND, during the game, he won't lose his temper nor his focus nor his cool. If he goes up by more than two scores at anytime during the game, for all intents and purposes, the game is OVER.

So, keep your clueless comments to yourself. AND WELCOME TO THE ROCK!

If I were new to a board, I would read a poster's signature line if I wasn't sure who he supported. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that a die-hard Cat fan's signature would include a line referencing a "faggy bobcat". That being said, I think you're welcoming a Griz fan to The Rock. Exactly how could the Griz be playing at The Rock this year?

As for your opinions on Coach Moore, I agree with you 100%. He is 100% class and 100% winner. Nowhere near clueless...

And, I'm apparently an idiot. Didn't bother reading Sportin' Life's post stating his loyalties, which would have told me that I was beating a dead horse. My apologies...

[Htowngriz]

It is the same sort of approach Kramer takes, and it is a good one. You compliment the heck out the team you are about to play.

As for the quote, the Cats have made huge strides, a little more consistancy early in the season and you guys are going to be a regular too. But come on, if this quote was two years ago, it might have been a little closer to being accurate because of the shared titles the last few years. But the Griz went undefeated in conference play and continued their playoff streak, people think Big Sky Conference, they think Montana.

I'm sure Kramer respects the Griz, but didn't he say that we were the ones chasing them before the brawl? I have a feeling that Griz players didn't just brush that off

[Citizen Griz]

So you said he sounds like an ignorant ass, and then you proceed to post details that reinforce the very point he was making....

I thought the same thing. Good to know you're all not "ignorant asses".

Hey, if someone wants to list the "number of occasions" Montana bought playoff games against higher seeded opponents, I fire up the BBQ and eat some crow. Anybody? Tampa? BAC?

[SonomaCat]

So you said he sounds like an ignorant ass, and then you proceed to post details that reinforce the very point he was making....

I thought the same thing. Good to know you're all not "ignorant asses".

Hey, if someone wants to list the "number of occasions" Montana bought playoff games against higher seeded opponents, I fire up the BBQ and eat some crow. Anybody? Tampa? BAC?

Ahh, so you're pissed off by the imprecise quantity he noted, eh?

I don't think the point he was making hinged greatly on the number of times that it had happened, but rather on the fact that it had happened, and was a precedent to what we saw in the current case.

So you are calling him an ignorant ass because what he said happened was actually exactly what had happened, but had only happened once? You have a really, really, really low threshhold for invoking the "ignorant ass" criticism. That would be a "nit" in my book.

Methinks you are trying too hard to find something to disagree with a Bobcat about and taking a little too much pleasure in it.

Bobcat: It feels like it's 20 degrees outside today.

Citizen Griz: You are an ignorant ass. It is, in fact, 22 degrees outside today!

[CARDIAC_CATS]

Then again, beating Colorado really opened some eyes to the NATIONAL MEDIA for Montana State. That was awesome watching it on ESPN NEWS/COLD PIZZA/ESPN GAME day

[Grizzfan]

Grizzfan wrote:
OK, let's stipulate that Coach Moore is correct: "Montana State is the flagship" of the Big Sky.

Let us also not forget that the Montana Grizzlies are the "Last Football Dynasty".

Get after 'em Cats. Make the entire state of Montana proud!!

And, while we're at it: GO GRIZ!!!

(That's as close as I could get to maroon; you guys took it off didn't you!!!)

Tom


Isn't doughboy the one that hung that moniker on you

Just darken your pink up a little and it'll be your latest color instead of your real school color: brown (and that's what "The Last Football Dynasty" an ya'll have in common Geeezzzzz, ya'll can't even give us a chance with what this team has done without coming in here spouting off about the dang fizzlies

Little touchy there Cat. Jeesch! Just roll with the moment; you are in the catbird seat and a little graciousness might just help your day.

Tom

[GrizinWashington]

So you said he sounds like an ignorant ass, and then you proceed to post details that reinforce the very point he was making....

I thought the same thing. Good to know you're all not "ignorant asses".

Hey, if someone wants to list the "number of occasions" Montana bought playoff games against higher seeded opponents, I fire up the BBQ and eat some crow. Anybody? Tampa? BAC?

Ahh, so you're pissed off by the imprecise quantity he noted, eh?

I don't think the point he was making hinged greatly on the number of times that it had happened, but rather on the fact that it had happened, and was a precedent to what we saw in the current case.

So you are calling him an ignorant ass because what he said happened was actually exactly what had happened, but had only happened once? You have a really, really, really low threshhold for invoking the "ignorant ass" criticism. That would be a "nit" in my book.

Methinks you are trying too hard to find something to disagree with a Bobcat about and taking a little too much pleasure in it.

Bobcat: It feels like it's 20 degrees outside today.

Citizen Griz: You are an ignorant ass. It is, in fact, 22 degrees outside today!

BAC, I normally agree with you, but I think you're off-base here. The quote was:

There were a number of occasions where the bid determined UM would be at home against a higher ranked opponent. Money talks and the NCAA is a gaggle of Ho's.

"...a number of occasions" certainly implies a number greater than one. I agree that doesn't change the fact that both schools secured home games with $$, but I would argue the implications that it ocurred multiple times at Montana does change the tenor of the original post.

[twentythreeOh4]

So you said he sounds like an ignorant ass, and then you proceed to post details that reinforce the very point he was making....

I thought the same thing. Good to know you're all not "ignorant asses".

Hey, if someone wants to list the "number of occasions" Montana bought playoff games against higher seeded opponents, I fire up the BBQ and eat some crow. Anybody? Tampa? BAC?

Ahh, so you're pissed off by the imprecise quantity he noted, eh?

I don't think the point he was making hinged greatly on the number of times that it had happened, but rather on the fact that it had happened, and was a precedent to what we saw in the current case.

So you are calling him an ignorant ass because what he said happened was actually exactly what had happened, but had only happened once? You have a really, really, really low threshhold for invoking the "ignorant ass" criticism. That would be a "nit" in my book.

Methinks you are trying too hard to find something to disagree with a Bobcat about and taking a little too much pleasure in it.

Bobcat: It feels like it's 20 degrees outside today.

Citizen Griz: You are an ignorant ass. It is, in fact, 22 degrees outside today!

BAC, I normally agree with you, but I think you're off-base here. The quote was:

There were a number of occasions where the bid determined UM would be at home against a higher ranked opponent. Money talks and the NCAA is a gaggle of Ho's.

"...a number of occasions" certainly implies a number greater than one. I agree that doesn't change the fact that both schools secured home games with $$, but I would argue the implications that it ocurred multiple times at Montana does change the tenor of the original post.

Yes, "...a number of occasions" implies it's happened a lot. As far as I recall UM HAS NEVER HOSTED A PLAYOFF GAME AGAINST A TEAM WITH A BETTER W/L RECORD.

Yes, in 1994 Montana outbid McNeese for the quarter final game. UM was #6 McNeese was #5. Both teams had 9-2 regular season records. Hardly a tremendous injustice.

After 1994 the NCAA changed the I-AA playoff policy. From 1995-2000 every team was seed 1 to 16 and there was NO BID's for home playoff games. In those years the HIGHER SEEDED team ALWAYS HOSTED.

1995 UM (9-2) benefited from several upsets: Ga Southern beat Troy St. and played in Missoula in the quarter finals. SFA beat App St. (who was undefeated at the time.) E. Kentucky, Ga. Southern and SFA were lower seeds than UM.

1996 UM (11-0) was the #1 seed and hosted 3 games.

1997, 1998 UM had no home playoff games.

1999 UM (9-2) was #8 and hosted #9 Youngstown (9-2).

2000 UM (10-1) was the #1 seed. Which prompted Ga Southern coach Paul Johnson, the #2 seed, to claim his team "got no respect" and "nobody expects us to win this thing". UM hosted 3 games.

After 9/11/2001 the NCAA changed to the current policy of seeding the top 4 teams and opening up the other games to bids. In part this change was due to the fact that some of the playoff games in previous years had abysmal attendance. I remember several playoff games with less than 3,500 attendance.

2001 UM (11-1) was the #2 seed and Ga. Southern was #1. UM hosted 3 games against lower seeded teams.

2002 UM (10-2) hosted Northwestern St. (9-3), then played at McNeese.

2003 UM (9-3) hosted W. Illinois (9-3). I believe UM was ranked higher at the time.

2004 UM (9-2) was not seeded, but got 3 home playoff games when New Hampshire knocked off Ga. Southern and EWU upset #1 S. Illinois. Montana played NW State (8-3), New Hampshire (9-2) and Sam Houston (9-2). I think New Hampshire was ranked 5th and UM 6th at the end of the regular season. Montana was ranked ahead of Sam Houston.

2005 UM (8-3) hosted Cal Poly (8-3). I believe Montana was ranked 9th and Cal Poly 10th.

(Team win/loss records are from the end of the regular season.)